4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Cool Cats]

I would think the answer to that question is obvious. I'm looking for validation of the proper analysis of the evidence. It is odd that the DNA was only found on one location on the sheath. I would want evidence that the logical touch points of the sheath were swabbed and tested, not just one part of it. If it wasn't done, then I would wonder why and, IMO, that would be something that should be investigated.

Not odd at all. Miracle DNA was found at all.

If this DNA gets in front of a jury added to the other evidence BK will be convicted. This case has stronger evidence even than most other cases I have seen. The DNA has never been disputed by the defense. All they can do is either get it thrown out or cast doubt. Normal. All defense attorneys do this. Juries usually believe the DNA and I see no way around it. If BK is innocent then I do not want him convicted but even BK gave an alibi that shows he could have driven to Moscow that night. Even the defense does not dispute that this is BK's DNA.

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[SpiderFalcon]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2025/012125-Order-Denying-Petitioners-Motion-Heard-Prior-Hearing.pdf

 

[wendy44]

Right - there is an internal inconsistency in that argument. If you believe the reason they found BK at all is the IGG, then logically it is his DNA, proven because it was a subsequent match.

You can argue about how it got there but it must be his otherwise they never would have identified him in the first place.

Especially the idea that his DNA should have been completely degraded - that does not match to observed reality. A decent enough trace was lifted to provide an exact match.

Will the defence be running their own testing to show it isn't a match?

MOO

Yes--in order to mount the 4th Amendment challenge, the IGG needs to be correct and be the investigative tool that led to the identification of BK, the match of dna on the sheath to his father's dna in the trash, and subsequent warrants. It's very bad for the defense if the IGG is wrong.
JMO

 

[Arkay]

Defense: "Can you exclude the possibility that my client was up on a ridge watching stars instead of on a road because your data only shows an arc when his cell phone was?"

Lame, lame lame. Will not fly with the jury.

I think the defense team will only be successful if they are spectacular enough to bring the stars and sky to court and have them testify that BK was innocently gazing upon them all night.

Short of that, nah.

IMO

 

[Balthazar]

You still failed to prove how it's relevant to Bovine DNA in manufacturing.

Of course it is relevant. If a leather sheath is tested in a lab setting where it is properly swabbed for DNA at various likely touch points (one swab per touch point), there should be some bovine DNA picked up during the swabbing. If no bovine DNA was picked up, then the accuracy of the test should be in question. If, for example, it turns out that the sheath was ONLY swabbed on the snap and nowhere else and no bovine DNA was detected, that would be suspicious and make me question whether or not the test was valid. Anytime results of a scientific test are going to be used as evidence, the methodology is just as important as the results in deciding if the evidence is valid or not.

JMO.

 

[Justice101]

Of course it is relevant. If a leather sheath is tested in a lab setting where it is properly swabbed for DNA at various likely touch points (one swab per touch point), there should be some bovine DNA picked up during the swabbing. If no bovine DNA was picked up, then the accuracy of the test should be in question. If, for example, it turns out that the sheath was ONLY swabbed on the snap and nowhere else and no bovine DNA was detected, that would be suspicious and make me question whether or not the test was valid. Anytime results of a scientific test are going to be used as evidence, the methodology is just as important as the results in deciding if the evidence is valid or not.

JMO.

Leather is cleaned and treated prior to use. (Not disinfected per se)..

I would think there would be no bovine DNA on the surface.

 

[MassGuy]

Leather is cleaned and treated prior to use. (Not disinfected per se)..

I would think there would be no bovine DNA on the surface.

DNA testing focuses on Human DNA anyway, but yes. We've had DNA on leather in tons of cases we've followed on here, from leather gloves, to leather seats, to leather jackets.

This stuff is highly processed, and tends to have a coating. It's not like they cut the hide off a cow and directly fashion it into a sheath.

Not once have I heard "bovine DNA" ever come up in any case. This whole thing sounds made up to me.

 

[Arkay]

DNA testing focuses on Human DNA anyway, but yes. We've had DNA on leather in tons of cases we've followed on here, from leather gloves, to leather seats, to leather jackets.

I presume that scientists engaged in the rigors of DNA testing are accustomed to this and ergo disregard “bovine DNA” from any findings.

I would imagine that any type of inanimate material in which human DNA could be couched would be deemed irrelevant to the identification of a human suspect.

As @Boxer said somewhere above, no one suspects a cow.

IMO

 

[Balthazar]

Snipped by me--are you saying that maybe the dna pulled from the sheath was so degraded the profile produced was BK's rather than a close or distant cousin who was the one who actually left the dna?

That is only one of many, many possibilities. Unlike most people here, I don't latch onto any one theory, I just observe what is going on. It is clear that the defense thinks something is very wrong with the IGG. We don't know what yet. For some reason, BK sent his DNA in to one of those companies that help determine ancestry before all of this happened.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger sent DNA for genetic testing to explore ancestry: neighbor

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow grad student that he explored his ancestry by submitting DNA for genetic testing – which could shed light on how investigators used forensic genealogy to zero in on th…

nypost.com

From the above information, I would assume BK and his attorneys have had access to BK's DNA results since his arrest. IMO, the defense knows what the DNA results should be. IF they don't match, there is a problem. The Prosecution has tried their best to hide everything about the procedures for processing the DNA and IGG from the defense. But this is a scientific process. There should be zero reason to want to hide this information, especially the methodology they used to get the information.

You yourself have said that you've never suggested the defense thinks the dna is not BK's and have never suggested you think that either. But if the defense thinks the dna is not his, wouldn't they attack the match, not the IGG?
JMO

Not necessarily. I think that really depends on what the problem with the DNA is. LE claimed that they identified BK via his father's DNA. The defense seems to believe something is wrong with that.

Are the tests wrong in some way - either methodology or result? We don't know - we have not seen what the defense has.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

That is only one of many, many possibilities. Unlike most people here, I don't latch onto any one theory, I just observe what is going on. It is clear that the defense thinks something is very wrong with the IGG. We don't know what yet. For some reason, BK sent his DNA in to one of those companies that help determine ancestry before all of this happened.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger sent DNA for genetic testing to explore ancestry: neighbor

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow grad student that he explored his ancestry by submitting DNA for genetic testing – which could shed light on how investigators used forensic genealogy to zero in on th…

nypost.com

From the above information, I would assume BK and his attorneys have had access to BK's DNA results since his arrest. IMO, the defense knows what the DNA results should be. IF they don't match, there is a problem. The Prosecution has tried their best to hide everything about the procedures for processing the DNA and IGG from the defense. But this is a scientific process. There should be zero reason to want to hide this information, especially the methodology they used to get the information.

Not necessarily. I think that really depends on what the problem with the DNA is. LE claimed that they identified BK via his father's DNA. The defense seems to believe something is wrong with that.

Are the tests wrong in some way - either methodology or result? We don't know - we have not seen what the defense has.

JMO.

That's simply not true. The defense challenging something that proved a link to BK, is something you'd absolutely expect to see. Any defense attorney is going to try and exclude any evidence they possibly can, especially something as important as this (even if it's a Hail Mary).

We see this in tons of cases, and it's nothing new or the least bit surprising.

Every expert has said they fully believe this IGG stuff to fail, as it is tried, tested, and well litigated. Every single week, sometimes multiple times a week, cases are solved this way.

Here it gave them a name to work with, and the rest is history. Every single thing fits, which is rare.

 

[Arkay]

But this is a scientific process. There should be zero reason to want to hide this information, especially the methodology they used to get the information.

I agree with your statement here.

Why then, in your opinion, is the defense team working feverishly to have the DNA results EXCLUDED?

This would appear to be cognitively dissonant if they DON’T want this scientific information to be hidden.

IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Of course it is relevant. If a leather sheath is tested in a lab setting where it is properly swabbed for DNA at various likely touch points (one swab per touch point), there should be some bovine DNA picked up during the swabbing. If no bovine DNA was picked up, then the accuracy of the test should be in question. If, for example, it turns out that the sheath was ONLY swabbed on the snap and nowhere else and no bovine DNA was detected, that would be suspicious and make me question whether or not the test was valid. Anytime results of a scientific test are going to be used as evidence, the methodology is just as important as the results in deciding if the evidence is valid or not.

JMO.

In my opinion, this is absurd.
BK’s DNA was found on the sheath, under a victim, at the crime scene. It is there. It should not be there.
Words and words and words by the defense, people citing every article and paper mentioning DNA, hoping and wishing; none of these are going to remove BK’s DNA from that sheath.
Sprinkling in the car, other circumstantial evidence, BK’s “consciousness of guilt” behavior in PA and they just strengthen the case.

My opinion

 

[Nila Aella]

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This is great!
The only closed part will be IGG/Genetic MTS and The portion of the Franks that deals with IGG.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

I presume that scientists engaged in the rigors of DNA testing are accustomed to this and ergo disregard “bovine DNA” from any findings.

I would imagine that any type of inanimate material in which human DNA could be couched would be deemed irrelevant to the identification of a human suspect.

As @Boxer said somewhere above, no one suspects a cow.

IMO

The lab report would definitely show bovine DNA and human DNA and any other DNA they found. Lab reports NEVER disregard any element of something they are testing because there can be unexpected results.

"National standards exist for reporting DNA analysis, however, laboratories may include additional information in the analytical report. Basic elements that commonly appear in reports include the following:

• Administrative information on the case, such as agency, file number, evidence item numbers, and suspect name.
• Date of the report and the name and signature of the reporting analyst
• Types of evidence items examined, and type of methodology or technique used to examine the evidence.
• Results of the examination and/or conclusions.
• Interpretation of the resultant data.
• Disposition of evidence.

Reports may contain the results of any additional non-DNA tests performed to locate and characterize the type of biological evidence present."

Hopefully the defense has received ALL of this information which is the national standard for any court case with any DNA evidence.

Principles of Forensic DNA for Officers of the Court | Basic Elements of a Forensic DNA Laboratory Report

Learn more about the principles of forensic DNA, with an emphasis on understanding the basic elements of a forensic DNA laboratory report.

nij.ojp.gov

JMO

 

[TallCoolOne]

May I just say Moooo?

 

[Swansee]

For some reason I just got a YouTube notification from the Idaho Fourth District Court channel that a State vs Kohberger live is about to begin in about 20mn.
It's weird because I don't believe there's a hearing today.
Probably a mix-up but just posting here in case it turns out to be something.

 

[wendy44]

That is only one of many, many possibilities. Unlike most people here, I don't latch onto any one theory, I just observe what is going on. It is clear that the defense thinks something is very wrong with the IGG. We don't know what yet. For some reason, BK sent his DNA in to one of those companies that help determine ancestry before all of this happened.

Can you provide a link that demonstrates it's clear the defense thinks something is very wrong with the IGG? Every motion from the defense shows that it's clear they believe it to be very right. If the IGG is wrong, there is no 4th Amendment challenge, no Franks, no avenue to have the warrants tossed. These legal challenges depend on the IGG being the investigative tool to lead to BK.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger sent DNA for genetic testing to explore ancestry: neighbor

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow grad student that he explored his ancestry by submitting DNA for genetic testing – which could shed light on how investigators used forensic genealogy to zero in on th…

nypost.com

From the above information, I would assume BK and his attorneys have had access to BK's DNA results since his arrest. IMO, the defense knows what the DNA results should be. IF they don't match, there is a problem. The Prosecution has tried their best to hide everything about the procedures for processing the DNA and IGG from the defense. But this is a scientific process. There should be zero reason to want to hide this information, especially the methodology they used to get the information.

I honestly say this with no snark intended--do you understand how IGG works? Do you understand the process? Do you understand what they do from uploading the unknown profile to narrowing it down to a suspect or suspects? These theories do not really make sense with how IGG is done and how completely separate it is from the dna on the sheath matching BK's dna.

It's true the FBI fought to not turn over work product because they believed it did not fall under discovery. There is case law cited by Judge Judge that supports they are correct in that. It's not true, as far as we know, that the prosecution has tried their best to hide everything about the procedures for processing the dna. Unless you have a link to show that.

Not necessarily. I think that really depends on what the problem with the DNA is. LE claimed that they identified BK via his father's DNA. The defense seems to believe something is wrong with that.

Are the tests wrong in some way - either methodology or result? We don't know - we have not seen what the defense has.

JMO.

What problem? Where has the defense shown any indication they believe something is wrong with the dna match? Where specifically? Their only concern has been getting it thrown out because it is indeed a match.
JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

For some reason I just got a YouTube notification from the Idaho Fourth District Court channel that a State vs Kohberger live is about to begin in about 20mn.
It's weird because I don't believe there's a hearing today.
Probably a mix-up but just posting here in case it turns out to be something.

It says will begin soon
Maybe the Press Motion?

 

[INfisherman]

The lab report would definitely show bovine DNA and human DNA and any other DNA they found. Lab reports NEVER disregard any element of something they are testing because there can be unexpected results.

"National standards exist for reporting DNA analysis, however, laboratories may include additional information in the analytical report. Basic elements that commonly appear in reports include the following:

• Administrative information on the case, such as agency, file number, evidence item numbers, and suspect name.
• Date of the report and the name and signature of the reporting analyst
• Types of evidence items examined, and type of methodology or technique used to examine the evidence.
• Results of the examination and/or conclusions.
• Interpretation of the resultant data.
• Disposition of evidence.

Reports may contain the results of any additional non-DNA tests performed to locate and characterize the type of biological evidence present."

Hopefully the defense has received ALL of this information which is the national standard for any court case with any DNA evidence.

Principles of Forensic DNA for Officers of the Court | Basic Elements of a Forensic DNA Laboratory Report

Learn more about the principles of forensic DNA, with an emphasis on understanding the basic elements of a forensic DNA laboratory report.

nij.ojp.gov

JMO

Respectfully, can you provide a link to any case or DNA report of another case where bovine DNA was mentioned during trial or preliminary hearings involving a human being accused of murder?

I’m not interested in educational DNA links, please. I would kindly like to see where bovine DNA results were reported on a murder case specifically where human DNA was the desired end result.

Thanks!

ETA if you previously have provided this, my apologies for overlooking it.

 

[Gemmie]

It says will begin soon
Maybe the Press Motion?

All I know is it says is "273 watching now Started streaming 8 minutes ago"