4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Justice101]

I don't think the Agent blew it. I think LE had the initial video surveillance from Linda Lane (foggy night) and received additional footage later on IIRC. One was from a gas station (much more lighted area) and then his stop for coffee where BK is also seen on video, but there could also be others.

I still believe LE did not want to come right out and say 2015 white Elantra possibly because they didn't want the suspect to panic and flee the area or commit another crime. I believe that is a tactic that they can use and did so here.

JMO

There are examples where for example, a truck was identified as light green... in reality it was white because the light that shown on it caused that effect.

To me it doesn't really matter how exact the police description was of the vehicle. It led to him and when he was identified and his DNA was compared to the sheath, it showed it was him.

I personally think this small difference in dates.. for the same model car.. is a nothing burger... just like the rest of what I've heard from the Defense motions so far.

His defense really has almost nothing to work with.

 

[Megnut]

There are examples where for example, a truck was identified as light green... in reality it was white because the light that shown on it caused that effect.

To me it doesn't really matter how exact the police description was of the vehicle. It led to him and when he was identified and his DNA was compared to the sheath, it showed it was him.

I personally think this small difference in dates.. for the same model car.. is a nothing burger... just like the rest of what I've heard from the Defense motions so far.

His defense really has almost nothing to work with.

Exactly.

It was a light colored (white) sedan, best matched to a later model Hyundai Elantra. Consistent with the vehicle BK owned, had access to, seen coming snd going from hiz own parking lot, driven the next day by him in broad daylight, pairing him and the car, triangulate with his phone.

It wasn't like they were trying to morph a video of a chartreuse minibus into his dad's oldsmobile, like AT would like us to think.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Exactly.

It was a light colored (white) sedan, best matched to a later model Hyundai Elantra. Consistent with the vehicle BK owned, had access to, seen coming snd going from hiz own parking lot, driven the next day by him in broad daylight, pairing him and the car, triangulate with his phone.

It wasn't like they were trying to morph a video of a chartreuse minibus into his dad's oldsmobile, like AT would like us to think.

JMO

Sorry to repeat, but juries tend to be down to earth and practical. They are generally not going to fall for arguments that are conjecture and supposition. IMO in this case from what I know, there is going to be a mountain of tangible and circumstantial evidence that will overpower what ifs from a defense team.

Unless AT can get evidence thrown out ahead of time (which it doesn't look like she is being successful at), this one is very straight forward and clearly pointing to BK's guilt. Even though our system is far from perfect, I trust juries to come to the right conclusion on guilt and innocence.

I will add, I've followed only 1 or 2 cases on WS where I thought there was reasonable doubt and would vote to acquit if I was on the jury.

 

[Cool Cats]

Sorry to repeat, but juries tend to be down to earth and practical. They are generally not going to fall for arguments that are conjecture and supposition. IMO in this case from what I know, there is going to be a mountain of tangible and circumstantial evidence that will overpower what ifs from a defense team.

Unless AT can get evidence thrown out ahead of time (which it doesn't look like she is being successful at), this one is very straight forward and clearly pointing to BK's guilt. Even though our system is far from perfect, I trust juries to come to the right conclusion on guilt and innocence.

I will add, I've followed only 1 or 2 cases on WS where I thought there was reasonable doubt and would vote to acquit if I was on the jury.

How do you know? You would have to sit all day for 3 weeks to see all the evidence. That you made up your mind before the legal process means the prosecution would strike you and rightly so.

Jury's can't make up their minds until presented with all evidence.

Must be fair and bias is not fair and Voir dire gets fair jurors.

2 Cents

 

[SpiderFalcon]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012725-Motion-Seal-States-Exhibit-S-1-Attached-Supp-Resp-Req-Discovery-Stipulated.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012825-22nd-Supplemental-RfD.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012825-Motion-Seal-Exhibit-U-Defendants-22nd-Supplemental-RfD.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012825-Stipulated-Motion-Extend-Deadline-File-Motions-in-Limine.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012925-Order-Sealing-Exhibit-U-Defendants-22nd-Supplemental-RfD.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/012925-Order-Sealing-States-Exhibits-S-1-Attached-Supplemental-Response.pdf

 

[Boxer]

This.

Except I don't his ego took the hit. No doubt he blames the sheath not on his failure but on the circumstances/victims who upended the attack he planned.

He'd say he didn't lose control, they did.

He'd be wrong... but IMO BK sees the world through his eyes alone.

I suspect AT herself had been on the receiving end of those intense, staring, invading eyes.

No doubt she's encountered it before, won't give him the satisfaction of reacting (because she's a professional) but on a human level, I bet she finds it creepy as hell.

I do. And I'm not even there.

JMO

Agree. I think he developed the whole teenage VHS thing to cover for his staring.
Maybe even after whatever happened for his dismissal from his vocational police training program. In other words "I wasnt looking predatory, I have a condition."

 

[DizzyB]

Agree. I think he developed the whole teenage VHS thing to cover for his staring.
Maybe even after whatever happened for his dismissal from his vocational police training program. In other words "I wasnt looking predatory, I have a condition."

Do we know if he was self-diagnosed? I hear people say they have ADD all the time, but they just decided they have it. I think he had a lot going on mentally, but I will wait until trial and see what professionals have to say.

 

[Boxer]

Do we know if he was self-diagnosed? I hear people say they have ADD all the time, but they just decided they have it. I think he had a lot going on mentally, but I will wait until trial and see what professionals have to say.

IIRC just him claiming VSS on chatboard.

 

[INfisherman]

Just a reminder: We do not know the amount/type of forensic evidence found at the scene. What is in the PCA was just enough to have Probable Cause for Arrest.

MOO

Excellent point. The hearings up to this point in time are only answering the questions related to if the state had enough to constitutionally & legally charge BK for the crimes as well as if LE was dishonest about it or not. These hearings presented but a wheelbarrow of the evidence. If the case makes it to trial, the wagon fulls of evidence will then follow.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

SA I is the car identification expert working for the FBI that will be testifying in this case.

PCA
Law enforcement officers provided video footage of Suspect Vehicle I to forensic examiners with the Federal Bureau of lnvestigation that regularly utilize surveillance footage to identify the year, make, and model of an unknown vehicle that is observed by one or more cameras during the commission of a criminal offense. The Forensic Examiner has approximately 35 years law enforcement experience with twelve years at the FBL His specific training includes identifying unique characteristics of vehicles, and he uses a database that gives visual clues of vehicles across states to identify differences between vehicles.

Hearing:
1:11:34 AT said that MPDs BOLO was for a 2011-13 HE.
AJ said LE was looking for 2011-16.

According to the hearing, the ID that the P is using against BK is SA Imel's car ID from one image on Ridge Road.

IMO this is the part of the PCA that the emails refer to (below). JMO
The emails were submitted to the Judge.
AT said that SA I felt more comfortable with the 2011-13 ID.

After reviewing the numerous observations of Suspect Vehicle 1, the forensic examiner initially believed that Suspect Vehicle 1 was a 20ll-2013 Hyundai Elantra. Upon further review, he indicated it could also be a 2011-2016 Hyundai Elantra. As a result, investigators have been reviewing information on persons in possession of a vehicle that is a 201 1-2016 white Hyundai Elantra.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/122922+Affidavit+-+Exhibit+A+-+Statement+of+Brett-Payne.pdf

JMO

For the sake of clarity, my post was simply intended as information for you, of which you may not have been aware. IMO the expert should have not narrowed down the MY at the beginning. But at the same time I do not feel that is evidence of questionable practice by LE. Widening the scope of an investigation is fairly routine when results aren’t achieved. It doesn’t mean that LE is doing anything shady at all.

JMO

 

[joe jones]

We are seeing both sides preparing for trial, filing motions, more hearings etc,
Soon we will be hearing the jury has been selected and we are ready for trial, we will be able to watch this one, I do think the IGG Company will request their testimony not being aired due to them not wishing to reveal intellectual property information,

 

[Nila Aella]

For the sake of clarity, my post was simply intended as information for you, of which you may not have been aware. IMO the expert should have not narrowed down the MY at the beginning. But at the same time I do not feel that is evidence of questionable practice by LE. Widening the scope of an investigation is fairly routine when results aren’t achieved. It doesn’t mean that LE is doing anything shady at all.

JMO

I was aware. Thank you for providing valuable information as to why it may have ocurred and your opinion. It is appreciated.

My point was

In this case, there might be excellent reasons to expand/change this car ID, or not.
How this expert analyzed the photo, how he narrowed it, how he expanded it, and how it was included in the PCA is what the Judge will look at.

Each side says something different about the result, but very little about the details.

This hearing was about the truthfullness of the PCA. The investigation up until the point of writing the PCA.

Since the testimony is that there is only one image (on Ridge Road) of the suspect vehicle with an ID, it is about one image.

JMO

 

[SpiderFalcon]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/013025-Order-Extending-Deadlines-File-Motions-in-Limine-Resetting-Hearing.pdf

 

[INfisherman]

I was aware. Thank you for providing valuable information as to why it may have ocurred and your opinion. It is appreciated.

My point was

In this case, there might be excellent reasons to expand/change this car ID, or not.
How this expert analyzed the photo, how he narrowed it, how he expanded it, and how it was included in the PCA is what the Judge will look at.

Each side says something different about the result, but very little about the details.

This hearing was about the truthfullness of the PCA. The investigation up until the point of writing the PCA.

Since the testimony is that there is only one image (on Ridge Road) of the suspect vehicle with an ID, it is about one image.

JMO

Yes, I understand what reasons you were pointing out & was aware of them when I made my initial post to you, as they’ve been discussed multiple times for at least the past month or two, that I am aware. I didn’t know if you were aware of the tendencies in car manufacturing so you might also take that information into consideration.

Apologies if it seemed as if I were debating or questioning something, as it wasn’t my intent.

 

[browneyes]

There are examples where for example, a truck was identified as light green... in reality it was white because the light that shown on it caused that effect.

To me it doesn't really matter how exact the police description was of the vehicle. It led to him and when he was identified and his DNA was compared to the sheath, it showed it was him.

I personally think this small difference in dates.. for the same model car.. is a nothing burger... just like the rest of what I've heard from the Defense motions so far.

His defense really has almost nothing to work with.

Yes, it’s pieces of a puzzle.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes, it’s pieces of a puzzle.

And sometimes larger pieces are necessary to give a more complete picture of that puzzle. Simple yet effective analogy on your part.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

So, it looks like the hearing for this is less than a week later than it used to be
From: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...rder-Governing-Proceedings-Notice-Setting.pdf

and now:
From: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...-File-Motions-in-Limine-Resetting-Hearing.pdf


HIPPLER AIN'T FOOLIN AROUND

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

What I know is when they said they were sesrching for a white Elantra I went to CarMax, AutoTrader, Ebay Motors and looked at Elantras.
I saw for myself at the time that all the Elantras were basically indistinguishable. Hubcaps different. Minor things.

At the time I thought they must have something more to ID the year, such as some kind of year specific radio/gps.

The one significant thing you're leaving out is that you're not an expert. The person who made this call supposedly was.

 

[schooling]

IIRC just him claiming VSS on chatboard.

Disassociation is one possible side effect of VSS.

The Psychiatric Symptomology of Visual Snow Syndrome - PMC

Objective: To characterise the psychiatric symptoms of visual snow syndrome (VSS), and determine their relationship to quality of life and severity of visual symptoms. Methods: One hundred twenty-five patients with VSS completed a battery of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There are a lot of published research papers making the same connection.

The person reported to have been BK's words are very clear. They don't seem to appear to have any empathy IMO. No that's not a medical diagnose, just look at the way they describe other humans and interactions with their family members. Like someone who is clearly suffering from disassociation IMO as a completely unqualified nobody. The posts are weird. IMO.

No, not everyone who suffers from VSS is going to go down this path, IMO as civilian. But when you consider that this specific person has been implicated in a cold blooded quadruple murder of complete strangers......

For me it only lends further credence to the posts on that forum as being authentic. JMO

Note: This is MOO. Not a professional. Not claiming to be one. Have no formal education. So anyone interpreting what I'm saying as that is being sadly misled.

 

[Boxer]

Disassociation is one possible side effect of VSS.

The Psychiatric Symptomology of Visual Snow Syndrome - PMC

Objective: To characterise the psychiatric symptoms of visual snow syndrome (VSS), and determine their relationship to quality of life and severity of visual symptoms. Methods: One hundred twenty-five patients with VSS completed a battery of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There are a lot of published research papers making the same connection.

The person reported to have been BK's words are very clear. They don't seem to appear to have any empathy IMO. No that's not a medical diagnose, just look at the way they describe other humans and interactions with their family members. Like someone who is clearly suffering from disassociation IMO as a completely unqualified nobody. The posts are weird. IMO.

No, not everyone who suffers from VSS is going to go down this path, IMO as civilian. But when you consider that this specific person has been implicated in a cold blooded quadruple murder of complete strangers......

For me it only lends further credence to the posts on that forum as being authentic. JMO

Note: This is MOO. Not a professional. Not claiming to be one. Have no formal education. So anyone interpreting what I'm saying as that is being sadly misled.

What I think is, that he Googled reasons for inappropriate staring found VSS and then used it to cover for staring.