4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

 

[Nila Aella]

Case Summary

01/29/2025 Notice of Filing List of Stipulated Exhibits for Motions to Suppress and Motion for Franks' Hearing

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-01302025.pdf

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Absolutely Massy. B&E verses Home Invasion have distinct differences and are treated and sentenced differently by the law.

A KBAR knife wielding man, breaking into an occupied home at 4:00 am in the morning shows an entirely different intent than some rando breaking in a home most likely unoccupied just to steal items and split. This wasn't that.

Home Invasion vs. Breaking and Entering: Key Legal Differences

JMO

What about hot prowling a person one is already slightly stalking for thrills combined with stealing anything of value to fund a habit? Especially if its the sort of perpetrator who is used to creeping around in the dark stealing things from residential homes?

BK didn't cover himself much in terms of making sure his car wasn't spotted, in terms of his mobile phone, albeit put in airplane mode or turned off, and in terms of random ring doorbells capturing him. It is possible IMO that he set out to do some creepy stuff and not kill anyone, therefore didn't believe he needed to be more cautious. People say he made so many mistakes but if he never set out with the intention to do something so extreme, that could explain.

 

[mickey2942]

I guess that we will never know if BK had entered this house previously, and scoped out the place. Personally, I think that he might have. Something drove him to this house, to these people.

It could have been something that he started with by casually meeting one of the victims, or "staring" at her at a restaurant, and became obsessed. I don't think he just got up one day, and decided to kill four people.

 

[CKS]

All MOO

What did everyone think about AT saying the DNA profile being 'twice as big' when it went from the Orthram lab to the FBI?

How did the DNA profile double in size? Is that normal?


All MOO

 

[MassGuy]

All MOO

What did everyone think about AT saying the DNA profile being 'twice as big' when it went from the Orthram lab to the FBI?

How did the DNA profile double in size? Is that normal?


All MOO

It must be. It's important to remember though, the original sample is what was eventually compared directly to Kohberger. It's not like they took what Othram did to it and then compared it to him. It was simply the process that allowed for the genealogical connection.

So anyone thinking that Othram altered the DNA, and that's what was used for direct comparison, is dead wrong.

 

[Megnut]

What about hot prowling a person one is already slightly stalking for thrills combined with stealing anything of value to fund a habit? Especially if its the sort of perpetrator who is used to creeping around in the dark stealing things from residential homes?

BK didn't cover himself much in terms of making sure his car wasn't spotted, in terms of his mobile phone, albeit put in airplane mode or turned off, and in terms of random ring doorbells capturing him. It is possible IMO that he set out to do some creepy stuff and not kill anyone, therefore didn't believe he needed to be more cautious. People say he made so many mistakes but if he never set out with the intention to do something so extreme, that could explain.

It is possible that he was there to hot prowl, equipped with a knife, but it doesnt provide him much by way of a defense. The crime scene itself will tell a story. His first victim was likely asleep and self-defense isn't going to fly. So, even if his intention was merely hot prowling, he wasn't averse to using deadly force on an already incapacitated (sleeping) victim. The rest of the massacre falls under premeditated because, even if he never set out that night to murder four people, he had ample time before and during to not do that.

The terror behind hot prowling is that the prowler is in control and IMO it's a crime that's never more than a hair's breath from being deadly.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I guess that we will never know if BK had entered this house previously, and scoped out the place. Personally, I think that he might have. Something drove him to this house, to these people.

It could have been something that he started with by casually meeting one of the victims, or "staring" at her at a restaurant, and became obsessed. I don't think he just got up one day, and decided to kill four people.

He also may have entered other people's homes in the past and nobody ever knew.
JMO

 

[QB2022]

I can't see how someone would put that much effort into covering their tracks to hot prowl

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I think if he still had a heroin addiction it would be very apparent at the time just after arrest.

Re marijuana, my nephew has adhd and uses it to calm his brain and his anxiety. It actually helps him to focus. I could see BK using it for the same reasons. (Not suggesting BK has adhd or anything else).

 

[INfisherman]

What about hot prowling a person one is already slightly stalking for thrills combined with stealing anything of value to fund a habit? Especially if its the sort of perpetrator who is used to creeping around in the dark stealing things from residential homes?

BK didn't cover himself much in terms of making sure his car wasn't spotted, in terms of his mobile phone, albeit put in airplane mode or turned off, and in terms of random ring doorbells capturing him. It is possible IMO that he set out to do some creepy stuff and not kill anyone, therefore didn't believe he needed to be more cautiousn. People say he made so many mistakes but if he never set out with the intention to do something so extreme, that could explain.

While, it’s possible he did as such, I would tend to believe a person who steals to fund a habit would likely not have the means to fund the habit. BK shows no obvious signs of being strung out on any of the cheap traditional drugs & he wasn’t using to the point it was causing him to lose employment. If he did use substances my best guess it was recreational or to reduce some unwanted & negative events/issues (stress, migraines, VSS, low energy, boredom).

Stealing also increases the risks of establishing a criminal record, which is a deterrent if one has the desire to commit the perfect murder. Lastly, thieves are often caught with stashes of items which obviously do not belong to them or are in a sort of inventory pile waiting to be sold. Serial numbers of electronics would be scratched off, etc. & frequenting pawn shops.

While possible, I just don’t really see it as his thing. He may have well started out doing as such for practice or got bored with it & opted for bigger thrills.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I can't see how someone would put that much effort into covering their tracks to hot prowl

Maybe because he was hyper cautious about getting any form of conviction that could destroy his future, bearing in mind he'd allegedly applied to LE and had aspirations in the field of criminology / academia.

I imagine if he had perfectionism and was also playing a power / control game, he may have set out right from the off to not leave a trace of himself. We will never know if he was equipped to sedate or inject a victim or use something to overpower them. If he'd managed to find one person alone and asleep as he probably expected, maybe the whole thing would be a completely different crime. JMO

 

[INfisherman]

He also may have entered other people's homes in the past and nobody ever knew.
JMO

Dry runs.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

I can't see how someone would put that much effort into covering their tracks to hot prowl

Agreed 100%.

IMO something about that night was different. Different than all his night driving star gazing trips. Turning his phone off signals it.

The loops? He wasn't driving aimlessly, wasn't in and out of multiple neighborhoods as if in search of a soft target. IMO he drove in a relatively direct route to that house that night. Then, for reasons he alone knows, he didn't park until the 4th approach. Maybe lights were on. Maybe there was foot traffic.

It also appears to be the case that he went directly to the top floor without prowling for valuables on the floor of entry. Still, it remains the case that, even if he went inside with an intention to hot prowl, he was prepared to use deadly force.

IMO he wasn't out hot-prowling that night. Rather, previous hot-prowling have him confidence for the manner in which he carried out this crime. Next level escalation.

JMO

 

[CKS]

It must be. It's important to remember though, the original sample is what was eventually compared directly to Kohberger. It's not like they took what Othram did to it and then compared it to him. It was simply the process that allowed for the genealogical connection.

So anyone thinking that Othram altered the DNA, and that's what was used for direct comparison, is dead wrong.

All MOO

If the original sample lead straight to BK then why did they need Othram to also test it? Then after two labs found nothing why did the FBI then have to pull BK's DNA from a database to make the match.

Something's off imo and that is why AT keeps asking for the chain of custody imo with all the DNA and wants to see how they came to that conclusion.

I believe AT has now asked for discovery of this around 22-23 times and still has not received it.

All MOO

 

[MassGuy]

All MOO

If the original sample lead straight to BK then why did they need Othram to also test it? Then after two labs found nothing why did the FBI then have to pull BK's DNA from a database to make the match.

Something's off imo and that is why AT keeps asking for the chain of custody imo with all the DNA and wants to see how they came to that conclusion.

I believe AT has now asked for discovery of this around 22-23 times and still has not received it.

All MOO

Because they didn't have anything to connect that original sample to yet; that was the entire purpose of the genetic genealogy.

So they take his DNA, do whatever they have to do to make it searchable through databases, and develop a family tree from there. Then they figured out that the likely match was named Bryan Kohberger, obtained DNA from the trash, found a relationship match from his father, then compared the knife sheath DNA profile to Kohberger after his arrest (to confirm).

The defense is making the same argument we've seen in other cases. What is indisputable, is that the genealogy led them to the correct man. The sheath DNA and Kohberger's DNA match proves that.

So regardless of the work done, the answer was correct.

 

[INfisherman]

Spaghetti theories by the defense. Throw everything against the wall in hopes of something that sticks. Common tactic along with a sprinkling of potential misinformation to taint potential juror pools.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

All MOO

If the original sample lead straight to BK then why did they need Othram to also test it? Then after two labs found nothing why did the FBI then have to pull BK's DNA from a database to make the match.

Something's off imo and that is why AT keeps asking for the chain of custody imo with all the DNA and wants to see how they came to that conclusion.

I believe AT has now asked for discovery of this around 22-23 times and still has not received it.

All MOO

AT mentioned she learned the day of the hearing about O policy and procedures. After being told they don't exist. And that they did not come from the motion to compel process. 1/23/25

6:34
AT: the court should know
we learned today about policies and procedures of Othram that we have not been
able to take a look at. those have not been produced in fact we've been told they don't
exist. we learned about investigative work that was done after Othram had done
the work that they could do and before the FBI took over that we learned about for the first time this week not through the motion to compel process.

Guessing that this was part of the closed hearing?
JMO

 

[Justice101]

When is the trial again, this August????