4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[Boxer]

Yes, going home for break is a totally normal thing but if he planned to return why wouldn't BK have made the flight home and back himself? Why involve his father? Why, besides the murders and needing to get the Elantra out of Pullman/Moscow would he need to drive from Washington state to Pennsylvania, especially in winter? 2500 miles is about as long a drive as you could make here in the US, it's not like "home" was on the west coast or somewhere like Montana or Utah. It just strikes me as odd I guess and that's JMO
It also strikes me oddly that there was almost nothing in his apartment but a tv, some books and a bed. I mean maybe that wasn't all but there wasn't even a shower curtain. It's my belief that he did not intend to return to Pullman after the holiday break ended.
Again, MOO
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He wanted his car when he was home.

 

[Boxer]

We have all learned by now what a weird personality BK has. But I do believe that if BK has affection for anybody, it is his father.

True. But he did not love him enough to keep from blowing his TAship.

 

[jepop]

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…desire for confrontation & the quick thrill of being right there and let go by the police, possibly, for repeat killers.

Oh my. First my search history & now my driving record. Yikes. Well, at least now I know 2 attorneys I definitely won’t be calling.

Hearing you. I've unfortunately given in to my lead foot at times (have received fines after being caught on speed cameras). However, the BK traffic offences, those we know of, seem more to do with tailgating or not maintaining appropriate distance from other drivers, no seatbelt and a right turning infraction IIRC. (Not to say he may not also have been a speeder). Jmo. Not sure what to take from that.

Being pulled over by police for me, and for many others I suspect, is a scary prospect. It's happened to me for unrelated reasons (eg vehicle fault) and I instantly feel guilty and assume I must have done something wrong.

I do think BK's engagement with female traffic cop (pre crime Oct 2022 Pullman footage) was somewhat over the top. But in the Indiana footage, to me he looks nervous and jittery and moo would have preferred that it had never happened. His tailgating warning on those occasions imo means he was unaware and/or indifferent to other road users at those moments. Jmo

 

[snooptroop88]

Hold it.

They manipulate the process to match BK’s DNA. Use that information to obtain warrants. Surreptitiously collect his DNA. And amazingly, it just so happens to match the sheath DNA?

Please make that make sense.

It makes sense to this duck:

And it makes sense only to this duck. (But by the end of the trial, it's not even going to make sense to this duck.)

This is where the "reasonable" in reasonable doubt comes in, IMO.

Is it more reasonable that BK turned off his cell phone and got caught on video taking his car to a quarduple murder scene and touched the button to pull out the knife and lost the sheath in the struggle?

Or is it more reasonable to think that theirs a secret plot out to frame him. The FBI, state police in three states, Moscow PD , labs, witnesses, prosecutors, 100s of people have ALL have entered into a gigantic conspiracy filled with car videos and cell phone records and DNA and they are all keeping the secret to set this guy from the poconos up?

IMO jurors will stop at the former and not even consider the laughable latter.

Again, this duck:

This duck says that is exactly what happened. It's perfectly reasonable. (Cue the Titanic music for this duck.) I mean... I'm sorry, I just can't believe my eyes as this travesty of "trial prep" continues to unravel for the D. Please... plea bargain. If this lunacy continues to move into the realm of conspiracy against poor Unlucky BK, I'm... not going to offer to eat my hat because I already know I'll likely have to eat it.

 

[jepop]

If this lunacy continues to move into the realm of conspiracy against poor Unlucky BK, I'm... not going to offer to eat my hat because I already know I'll likely have to eat it.

Respectfully snipped. If it comes to that, I recommend an overnight marinade. It goes down easier that way. And avoid beanies. Jmo.

ETA Based on privately having been obliged to eat a hat following the outcome of another trial I followed late last year on here.

 

[MassGuy]

Respectfully snipped. If it comes to that, I recommend an overnight marinade. It goes down easier that way. And avoid beanies. Jmo.

ETA Based on privately having been obliged to eat a hat following the outcome of another trial I followed late last year on here.

Lol. I've said it maybe a dozen times on here, and never once had to do it. I'm not exactly going out on a limb when I say that though.

No Franks hearing. Early into the proceedings it will be clear that the case is a slam dunk. Bryan Kohberger will be convicted, and it won't take the jury more than a day.

 

[jepop]

Lol. I've said it maybe a dozen times on here, and never once had to do it. I'm not exactly going out on a limb when I say that though.

No Franks hearing. Early into the proceedings it will be clear that the case is a slam dunk. Bryan Kohberger will be convicted, and it won't take the jury more than a day.

Yeah, completely understood,. Agree, very likely no Franks, based on that hearing. The case where I had to eat my hat ( owing to outcome) fundamentally differed from this one.

Not sure but I think OP means they may be eating a hat when this case actually reaches trial and doesn't plea out. I can't see a plea, so yeah jmo snooptroop might consider looking up some good marinades. That right @snooptroop88?

 

[INfisherman]

Respectfully snipped. If it comes to that, I recommend an overnight marinade. It goes down easier that way. And avoid beanies. Jmo.

ETA Based on privately having been obliged to eat a hat following the outcome of another trial I followed late last year on here.

I will not be offering to eat any of my hats, as I wear most of them fishing & well, fish & worms just don’t sound appealing to my palette, even with a full year of marinating. Lucky hats & all.

I also doubt there is a Franks - if there is it’s going to have to be Franks & beans instead of a hat. A plea won’t surprise me because I don’t feel BK has the testicular fortitude deep down inside to face the DP - but at the same time I can see that having to be right mentality overshadowing everything. My preference is that I’d like to see the trial to finally find out what all evidence there is & see how the lawyering plays out & strategies used.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

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Hearing you. I've unfortunately given in to my lead foot at times (have received fines after being caught on speed cameras). However, the BK traffic offences, those we know of, seem more to do with tailgating or not maintaining appropriate distance from other drivers, no seatbelt and a right turning infraction IIRC. (Not to say he may not also have been a speeder). Jmo. Not sure what to take from that.

Being pulled over by police for me, and for many others I suspect, is a scary prospect. It's happened to me for unrelated reasons (eg vehicle fault) and I instantly feel guilty and assume I must have done something wrong.

I do think BK's engagement with female traffic cop (pre crime Oct 2022 Pullman footage) was somewhat over the top. But in the Indiana footage, to me he looks nervous and jittery and moo would have preferred that it had never happened. His tailgating warning on those occasions imo means he was unaware and/or indifferent to other road users at those moments. Jmo

Agreed, I think the IN traffic stops made BK appear overly nervous and jittery. I believe he thought they were intentional stops because he knew LE was on to him.

His poor Dad even seemed flustered and was oversharing information like a person does when they are nervous. He even brought up BK and WSU and the look BK gave to him was intense to say the least.

JMO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

He wanted his car when he was home.

I'm sorry, maybe it's just me but I have a hard time believing that anyone thinks it's normal to drive 2500-5000 miles for Christmas break, it's like 4-5 days of driving each way, 1/3 of the break would be spent driving.

He wanted his car home because he had zero intentions of returning after the break.

100% MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

He wanted his car when he was home.

He needed to get his car out of Pullman ASAP. How else would he explain it if the suspect vehicle just disappeared? I still don't think he planned on coming back.

No threats of hat eating if I'm wrong. LOL

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

The whole purpose of this was providing evidence to support a Frank's hearing. One does not hold back information that could get such a hearing, in the hopes that they get to present it at that hearing.

She was asked a direct question, and she punted on providing the information that would have best supported her argument, instead going with the weaker argument. The reason for this: There is absolutely no evidence to support the FBI accessing his DNA upload.

If there is a Frank's hearing here, I will eat my hat.

I don't think there will be a Franks hearing, but I'm not 100%. I do hope the advice Judge Hippler gave to the State and the Defense in his stern advisement at the end of Day 2 to err on the side of over disclosure instead of under disclosure has the State tying up any lose ends that AT can dig, poke and prod at. She's desperate to get the DNA, ATT and Amazon records out.

I last threatened to eat my fav golf visor in the Delphi case if RA wasn't guilty and convicted. Still got it, whew.

JMO

 

[Soulmagent]

He needed to get his car out of Pullman ASAP. How else would he explain it if the suspect vehicle just disappeared? I still don't think he planned on coming back.

No threats of hat eating if I'm wrong. LOL

JMO

I think he was going to switch out a car ,one with PA tags and his dad was gonna take that suspect car WITH the new tags. IMO .

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think he was going to switch out a car ,one with PA tags and his dad was gonna take that suspect car WITH the new tags. IMO .

BK had changed his license plates to Washington plates soon after the murders because his PA plates were due to expire. Are you thinking BK would have exchanged cars with a family member and driven it back? A completely different car with PA plates? I guess that's possible, but ID LE had his car license and registration information from DMV records.

BK took the WE to the service center while he was home IIRC, but we know that LE did in fact seize and search the WE.

JMO

 

[Soulmagent]

BK had changed his license plates to Washington plates soon after the murders because his PA plates were due to expire. Are you thinking BK would have exchanged cars with a family member and driven it back? A completely different car with PA plates? I guess that's possible, but ID LE had his car license and registration information from DMV records.

BK took the WE to the service center while he was home IIRC, but we know that LE did in fact seize and search the WE.

JMO

What does WE mean?
But yes I do think he was going to swap cars with dad/ another family member or was going to try ,I believe the whole dad flight and drive trip was because the car was presented as it need to drive back before it would no longer be able to drive anywhere.

 

[technicallymissing]

What does WE mean?

(snipped) White Elantra

 

[Gigiky]

We have all learned by now what a weird personality BK has. But I do believe that if BK has affection for anybody, it is his father.

Or because he doesn't have any real friends he takes advantage of one of the only people that loves him (Father) and he uses him to help make his get away. What a piece of work. JMO.

 

[Soulmagent]

Or because he doesn't have any real friends he takes advantage of one of the only people that loves him (Father) and he uses him to help make his get away. What a piece of work. JMO.

Picture this guy even thinking he was this smart ..which he did ..but how stupid!

 

[Justice101]

IMO, he probably had a sense that his stint as a TA was ending. He'd been disciplined and also given an improvement plan that he failed.

He probably told his dad some lie about wanting to drive in and his dad offered to help drive (which I did one time for my daughter the same).

He had no intentions of letting his car be seen in Pullman any more. He'd change license plates to Washington so that there was a plate on the front and the back and he probably thought this covered him.

Then the 2 pullovers in Indiana and he probably thought they were onto him. By the way, if it was just a check, the cops did a good job disguising it. Good acting job there.

 

[mmeynstyn]

From the hearing last week, we now know that BK's name was not known to LE until around Dec. 20, 2022. MPD had never heard of him and his name came to them via the FBI. See what AT says at 6-18-59 here:

JMO

Thank you for focusing me closer to where AT was trying to plead her case about omissions in the PCA. Yes, she indicated that a few days prior to Dec 23 is when BK's name first came up. Agree she said that. However, IMO, her context is in the omissions from the PCA. Throughout the hearing on this day, she was suggesting that EVERYTHING, including the moon and stars, should have been included in the PCA. IMO, the PCA does not need to specifically state everything they learned through the investigation. It does need to include sufficient information revealed during the investigation to arrest BK. MOO

I know this analogy is not the exact same, but I do not know one person that goes into a job interview and communicates to a potential employer every reason they should NOT get hired.