4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

All MOO

I don't know how anyone could believe that a sheath laying under a victim for over 8 hours somehow ONLY has a few microscopic skin cells from one person. It's simply not believable in my opinion.

I just hope there is body cam video of LE finding/discovering the 'placed' sheath. I say placed b/c that's what the PCA says.

All MOO

For clarification re my earlier post about no other DNA, I had imagined it goes without saying there would be victim DNA at a crime scene like this. What I meant was that the sheath had no other DNA from being handled by other people as far as we know.

 

[Charlot123]

But the other state is what 10 miles from the state border? So easier not to soil your own nest/be discovered? Besides from what I hear U of Idaho has a reputation as a party school, and so was this house full of girls. He figured easy prey. Especially if your victim was drunk/asleep when you attack.

I suspect, in U of Idaho many girls were of a certain style, dresses, hair, all, and that was probably his preference. Would be interesting to know if the restaurant workers in PA that he scared with his gaze were of a similar type.

 

[al66pine]

BK as Employee, Filleting Fish?

Charles Conklin, the owner of Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes in Effort, Pennsylvania, told People that Kohberger, 28, worked for him over a period of about four months as a seasonal employee in 2011

In an appearance on NewsNation's CUOMO, Conklin said Kohberger probably only worked the job a total of 20 days.

"As far as fileting fish, he never got proficient at it," he said.

"We bring kids in and train them and until they're good enough, we don't allow them to do customers' fish. So he probably only practiced fileting maybe eight to 10 days out of those 20 days."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBuKmb3LyLAxURFFkFHWGXNacQFnoECBYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fbryan-kohberger-past-job-fish-cutter-1785013&usg=AOvVaw2z-C1LwDY3meQOrIfypjC2&opi=89978449

jmo

@Nila Aella Thanks for your post refreshing our memories on BK's less than spectacular Big Brown Fish & Pay Lakes job in Penn. 14 yrs ago.

I guess the employer Mr. Conklin knew ppl wanted their freshly caught fish to be properly filleted for the table for human consumption, not look like chum.

Apparently BK was short on sharp-edge skills back then.

Even if BK still lacks proficiency w fish, I doubt that would be a handicap in using a Ka-Bar or similar knife to kill four sleeping or sleepy ppl caught by surprise.
jmo

 

[gremlin444]

And just to add....BK had a job filleting fish and knew his way around a knife.

MOOOooo

Given how short of a time he actually worked that job (about 20 days over 4 months per Nila A's post), I wouldn't call him proficient or particularly skilled with a blade.

But when you have a knife with a 7" blade that is incredibly sharp and is meant as a combat weapon....you don't have to have skill. Just a good grip and determination and let the blade do the work.

 

[browneyes]

I believe you mentioned earlier that you didn't have a good mental image of this knife? I suggest you do an image search on Ka-Bar USMC knife. I've seen one in person at a military surplus store, so I have a very good sense of scale.

We're going to assume that a standard full sized Ka-Bar USMC knife is what was in the full sized Ka-Bar USMC sheath.

The blade is 7 inches long. The total length of the knife, including handle, is nearly 12 inches long. Grab a standard 12" ruler and hold it to your belt area to see how far it goes down your leg.

This is not a subtle knife. It's not going to fit in a pocket. It's very noticeable. If you walk into a drug deal with it strapped to your belt, they are going to assume hostility and things are going to proceed very badly--if you even got let in wearing it in the first place. And it's not a knife that you are going to just take off your belt, put it down, and zonk out around other people.

In the woods, you might not get a second glance for wearing it. In an urban environment--you are going to be noticed and it's going to be taken as a threat.

To try to get an image of what this knife could do, I poked around YT and found there is a "water bottle test" that is popular for testing Ka-bars.

So here's a video of USMC Ka-Bar 7" blade knife cutting through 10+ filled plastic water bottles that are lined up--with one swing of the arm.

I’ve always thought about the absolute cruelty of that knife, but this video shook me. Those poor innocent kids.

 

[gremlin444]

I’ve always thought about the absolute cruelty of that knife, but this video shook me. Those poor innocent kids.

There's some videos online of people demonstrating the Ka-bar UMSC on large pieces of pork that I stumbled across today.

You don't want to watch them. I wish I hadn't. Seeing what the knife can do to those water bottles is enough of an image to have in your head. Trust me on this.

 

[Balthazar]

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I have zero mental image of the knife. Thank you.
So basically, people would get side looks when sporting a knife like this around the student town.
Do you expect the owner, a TA student, carrying it around frequently? Or keeping it in a car?
How commonplace are they?

These knives are commonly used by hunters. Hunting is very prevalent in Idaho with
Hunting license, tags, permits & stamps: 87.4 for every 100 people (1,660,649 total) The population of Idaho is only 1,965,000.
Cost of hunting licenses, tags, permits & stamps: $31,814,371 JMO.

With the 87.4% of the population of Idaho involved in hunting in some way, IMO, it would not be unexpected to see people wearing their hunting gear around town including weapons such as a sheathed knife or pistol, for example, when returning from a hunting trip or going on a hunting trip. JMO.

And there are utility uses for a KBar knife such as opening cans, digging trenches, and cutting wood, roots, wire, and cable which make this a good knife to bring on camping and fishing trips as well. JMO. Ka-Bar - Wikipedia.

Read More: Idaho Among the Top 10 States for Most Registered Hunters | Idaho Among the Top 10 States for Most Registered Hunters

Is there a significant increase in the numbers of hunters in Idaho over the past 10 years? If so, is there discussion how to handle increased demand on our wildlife and are there ways to spread hunters out further even with those increases?

idfg.idaho.gov

All JMO.

 

[Arkay]

These knives are commonly used by hunters. Hunting is very prevalent in Idaho

SBM


Right.

So what was being hunted in that house?

I think we know.

IMO

 

[Sillybilly]

All MOO

I don't know how anyone could believe that a sheath laying under a victim for over 8 hours somehow ONLY has a few microscopic skin cells from one person. It's simply not believable in my opinion.

I just hope there is body cam video of LE finding/discovering the 'placed' sheath. I say placed b/c that's what the PCA says.

All MOO

Just jumping off your post CKS and for clarity going forward ...

Numerous members are referring to "underneath" but according to Moscow officer Brett Payne in the PCA:

"I also later noticed what appeared to be a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side"

 

[acutename]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article299620254.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQvpKR3Mr0z6MtGNK-hvnml_XQqQEqEAgAKgcICjDO9P0KMLKa9gI&utm_content=rundown

 

[Sillybilly]

Just jumping off your post CKS and for clarity going forward ...

Numerous members are referring to "underneath" but according to Moscow officer Brett Payne in the PCA:

"I also later noticed what appeared to be a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side"

In addition to the above quote from the PCA, a member has brought the following to my attention:

In the June 16 2023 Motion for Protective Order, pg 2, Factual Background, it states:

Law enforcement found a Ka-Bar knife sheath on a bed next to the bodies of Madison and Kaylee. The sheath was face down and partially under both Madison’s body and the comforter on the bed.

<bbm>

My apologies for any confusion this may have caused.

 

[Swansee]

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Wow.
Here I was thinking the Franks decision was already made and probably just being uploaded late, but if newly filed motions are appearing, and not the Franks decision, I guess that must mean Judge Hippler still hasn't ruled on it.

 

[Gigiky]

Wow.
Here I was thinking the Franks decision was already made and probably just being uploaded late, but if newly filed motions are appearing, and not the Franks decision, I guess that must mean Judge Hippler still hasn't ruled on it.

I agree. I've been checking all day, but found nothing. I thought I heard or saw someone post that we should have heard something today or maybe Thursday.

 

[girlhasnoname]

AT & Company are really sweating the DNA:

<snipped & BBM>
So how did a sheath for a fixed-blade knife get there, and how did Bryan Kohberger’s skin cells allegedly wind up on it if he was not involved? Taylor acknowledged that is the most significant issue ahead at trial. “I mean, that’s the ultimate question that will be before a jury,” Taylor said.

“What does a knife sheath at a scene mean?” Hippler shot back: “If you’re killed with a knife, that probably means a lot.” “It might,” she said.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news...EqEAgAKgcICjDO9P0KMLKa9gI&utm_content=rundown

 

[Nila Aella]

Nothing new there. Important to remember that this is the same DNA we heard about a long time ago, although we didn’t know two samples were blood.

Any argument that it was ignored is destroyed by the fact that they intended to upload it to CODIS, but could not.

And it doesn’t change the probable cause, as the judge pointed out:

“How does that, even if disclosed, preclude a finding of probable cause when there’s a DNA match between the DNA on the sheath and Mr. Kohberger?” he asked Taylor. “Isn’t that probable cause every day and twice on Sunday?”

Judge Hippler is talking about probable cause after the direct DNA match.
The direct DNA match was after his arrest.
How many warrants were there before the direct DNA match?
JMO

JH
I don't tend to argue with you about it I'm just I mean I understand your other arguments but when you get to once they have the actual DNA evidentiary DNA it seems to me that it's a uphill battle to say there's not probable cause at that point

AT
well your honor should never get to that question but I'm going to answer it for you but you should never get to that question because you should have
already found that AT&T 1 and AT&T 2 were terrible and they were there's no
problem cause for those and they just build on each other so you should find
that the very first one lacked probable cause and then everything else does as well but let me answer your question there if the Magistrate Judge had been told there's unknown male bee in blood in the house attached to the handrail that might have made more of a difference to her maybe a sheath that can be carried to the house and blood in the house that's not the same maybe that matters and then maybe the car being completely empty of any blood DNA
1:37:21

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

My reading of AT

Judge Hippler is talking about probable cause after the direct DNA match.
The direct DNA match was after his arrest.
How many warrants were there before the direct DNA match?
JMO

JH
I don't tend to argue with you about it I'm just I mean I understand your other arguments but when you get to once they have the actual DNA evidentiary DNA it seems to me that it's a uphill battle to say there's not probable cause at that point

AT
well your honor should never get to that question but I'm going to answer it for you but you should never get to that question because you should have
already found that AT&T 1 and AT&T 2 were terrible and they were there's no
problem cause for those and they just build on each other so you should find
that the very first one lacked probable cause and then everything else does as well but let me answer your question there if the Magistrate Judge had been told there's unknown male bee in blood in the house attached to the handrail that might have made more of a difference to her maybe a sheath that can be carried to the house and blood in the house that's not the same maybe that matters and then maybe the car being completely empty of any blood DNA
1:37:21

JMO

The unknown male blood is not exculpatory.

IMO AT continually argues that speculative theories should have been disclosed in the PCAs when they are properly the stuff of her trial defence, if they are admissible at all.

MOO

 

[jepop]

Didnt take it personal. lol

And where did we hear about "male DNA found on the glove outside" before? Good grief...

In August 2023 at Motion to Compel Hearing X 3. So like 18 months ago. Imo

The only difference was this is the first time a ref to the DNA being extracted from blood. I guess some in the public are assuming 'bloody glove!!!' perhaps, when for all we know (and this seems highly likely to me) the blood we're talking about is likely in a minute quantity and the DNA sample extracted ambiguous and partial. We know from Aug 2023 that whatever profile the lab managed to make, which was probably imo just unknown male and few if any other markers/loci, this sample and the other from rail inside house were ineligible for upload to CODIS. Jmo

 

[jepop]

Wow.
Here I was thinking the Franks decision was already made and probably just being uploaded late, but if newly filed motions are appearing, and not the Franks decision, I guess that must mean Judge Hippler still hasn't ruled on it.

Imo Judge is taking his time writing the memo on his reasoning. It may be a while yet. The longer it goes on with no Notice of Hearing, the more I think Judge has probably made decision by now. Of course ICBW and this is moo. There could have been off the record comms between judge and parties re suitable date for hearing outside the three week window referred to in Jan 24th Hearing. We shall see. Jmo.

 

[Dotta]

Explosive new DNA evidence that could see Bryan Kohberger walk free

Murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense attorneys made a stunning claim in court that threatens to upend the prosecution against him for the murders of four students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[minazoe]

blood and print evidence from a party house..a super well known party house does not provide reasonable doubt and does not negate the facts. The prosecution will prove their case with or without this extra evidence. mOO