4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[INfisherman]

I think there was a big shift in the public's POV, after this Netflix Series : Making A Murderer

It put it in the public's mind that LE would/could frame innocent blokes for murder. And since this series, other murder cases were suddenly viewed as possibly frame jobs by corrupt cops. IMO

Making a Murderer - Wikipedia

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The only problem with that theory is everyone knows the only corrupt cops are from the Delphi area.

Seriously though, that’s a very good point & something I had not considered.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

I'm of the opinion that BK entered the house with the firm intention to kill. If it was just to hot prowl, I don't think that he would have gone to all the trouble and expense which he did. What he wore was because he expected blood and plenty of it. If he only intended to prowl around in the house, wouldn't just a mask have been enough? JMO

MOO he went in to assault rape at knife point.
He was dressed for that and already had experience hot prowling.
His preparation looked adequate for a rape investigation.

 

[Boxer]

I think there was a big shift in the public's POV, after this Netflix Series : Making A Murderer

It put it in the public's mind that LE would/could frame innocent blokes for murder. And since this series, other murder cases were suddenly viewed as possibly frame jobs by corrupt cops. IMO

Making a Murderer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Totally agree with this.

 

[Bahshudc]

MOO he went in to assault rape at knife point.
He was dressed for that and already had experience hot prowling.
His preparation looked adequate for a rape investigation.

Im inclined to agree with you, but it makes me question — if BK was so concerned with DNA to the point where he (hypothetically) wipes the sheath down and wears overalls etc., what’s the point when DNA would inherently be left at the scene? It’s a horrific thought but nobody can get away with an assault rape without leaving DNA. I just wonder what would be the point with all the other precautions if that was the intention?

JMO — and I actually don’t know much about DNA, or which “type” of DNA is identifiable.

 

[Boxer]

Im inclined to agree with you, but it makes me question — if BK was so concerned with DNA to the point where he (hypothetically) wipes the sheath down and wears overalls etc., what’s the point when DNA would inherently be left at the scene? It’s a horrific thought but nobody can get away with an assault rape without leaving DNA. I just wonder what would be the point with all the other precautions if that was the intention?

JMO — and I actually don’t know much about DNA, or which “type” of DNA is identifiable.

True. MOO maybe it was murder of one person escalating.

 

[Gigiky]

JMO. But if BK went to all the trouble to make sure he didn't leave behind DNA I don't think he intended to rape anyone. I think it was pure rage. I can't help but think something happed with one of these victims that cause him to do this.

 

[mrjitty]

@mrjitty @Megnut @jepop @MassGuy (anyone else that’s followed hundreds of murder cases, apologies if your name/s were not included):

Was there any particular case that any of you noticed which started the trend we currently see with defense teams trying to both garner sympathy for their client AND taint potential jurors? I’m just curious because the Delphi trial was "my first time" <blushes> closely following a case/trial.

Is it something new or just a result of the world getting smaller (news, stories, rumors & comments spread in minutes & hours versus the days of traditional news outlets) due to the advent of internet & social media?

TIA & MOO

I think Read was the first to embed a social media influencer on team D to build a fan base. Obviously defense teams have always sought to use PR to influence opinion but this strategy to mobilise is new IMO.

 

[INfisherman]

I think Read was the first to embed a social media influencer on team D to build a fan base. Obviously defense teams have always sought to use PR to influence opinion but this strategy to mobilise is new IMO.

Thank you for responding. Yeah, defense teams have typically stopped & given PR/influential statements or interviews to the press since before I was born. I was just astonished at how certain forms of media had come into play in recent years.

 

[iamshadow21]

Thank you for responding. Yeah, defense teams have typically stopped & given PR/influential statements or interviews to the press since before I was born. I was just astonished at how certain forms of media had come into play in recent years.

Oh, well before you were born, unless you're over a hundred. Clarence Darrow was a master of spin and the court of public opinion in the early twentieth century. He was a staunch opponent of the death penalty, and used all his tools to save his clients from it. Highly successful at it, but got himself into hot water towards the end, jury tampering in the Los Angeles Times bombing case. He was probably the most famous criminal defense attorney of his generation, Jose Baez before Jose Baez's parents or grandparents were a twinkle in anyone's eye.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Case summary

01/31/2025 Order Unsealing Stipulated Motion for Sealed Protective Order and Sealed Protective Order

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-01312025.pdf

 

[INfisherman]

Oh, well before you were born, unless you're over a hundred. Clarence Darrow was a master of spin and the court of public opinion in the early twentieth century. He was a staunch opponent of the death penalty, and used all his tools to save his clients from it. Highly successful at it, but got himself into hot water towards the end, jury tampering in the Los Angeles Times bombing case. He was probably the most famous criminal defense attorney of his generation, Jose Baez before Jose Baez's parents or grandparents were a twinkle in anyone's eye.

MOO

Some days I feel over 100 but, no, not quite over 100 just yet. <modsnip - off topic>

 

[Boxer]

Oh, well before you were born, unless you're over a hundred. Clarence Darrow was a master of spin and the court of public opinion in the early twentieth century. He was a staunch opponent of the death penalty, and used all his tools to save his clients from it. Highly successful at it, but got himself into hot water towards the end, jury tampering in the Los Angeles Times bombing case. He was probably the most famous criminal defense attorney of his generation, Jose Baez before Jose Baez's parents or grandparents were a twinkle in anyone's eye.

MOO

Yes. Theme of musical Chicago.

 

[jepop]

@mrjitty @Megnut @jepop @MassGuy (anyone else that’s followed hundreds of murder cases, apologies if your name/s were not included):

Was there any particular case that any of you noticed which started the trend we currently see with defense teams trying to both garner sympathy for their client AND taint potential jurors? I’m just curious because the Delphi trial was "my first time" <blushes> closely following a case/trial.

Is it something new or just a result of the world getting smaller (news, stories, rumors & comments spread in minutes & hours versus the days of traditional news outlets) due to the advent of internet & social media?

TIA & MOO

I've watched a few trials but this is the first case I've followed from the beginning. In all the trials I've watched or followed (maybe about three or four) I've never paid attention to extraneous media, either msm or sm. For the trials only paid attention to testimony or reports of it. In

this case, I rely solely on court filings or hearings for my information. I'm certainly not an avid case follower (yet), so I don't think I can really contribute much on this point! I just call it the way I see it in the case of the hearings here and speculate occasionally re defense tactics to get certain sound bites out to the public. I'm aware that sm is running rampant with true crime followers taking these snippets and reaching premature conclusions. Jmo. I suppose jury tainting is a concern but voir dire should sort that hopefully.

As to the trials I've watched and commented on, most of them had not been subject to non-dissemination orders pre trial ( Karen Read for instance,) so that probably changes things imo. I just looked in on Delphi trial so not able to draw comparisons. Jmo

 

[INfisherman]

I've watched a few trials but this is the first case I've followed from the beginning. In all the trials I've watched or followed (maybe about three or four) I've never paid attention to extraneous media, either msm or sm. For the trials only paid attention to testimony or reports of it. In

this case, I rely solely on court filings or hearings for my information. I'm certainly not an avid case follower (yet), so I don't think I can really contribute much on this point! I just call it the way I see it in the case of the hearings here and speculate occasionally re defense tactics to get certain sound bites out to the public. I'm aware that sm is running rampant with true crime followers taking these snippets and reaching premature conclusions. Jmo. I suppose jury tainting is a concern but voir dire should sort that hopefully.

As to the trials I've watched and commented on, most of them had not been subject to non-dissemination orders pre trial ( Karen Read for instance,) so that probably changes things imo. I just looked in on Delphi trial so not able to draw comparisons. Jmo

Thank you, fellow lyricist

Yes, we hope voir dire is able to sort it out.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Im inclined to agree with you, but it makes me question — if BK was so concerned with DNA to the point where he (hypothetically) wipes the sheath down and wears overalls etc., what’s the point when DNA would inherently be left at the scene? It’s a horrific thought but nobody can get away with an assault rape without leaving DNA. I just wonder what would be the point with all the other precautions if that was the intention?

JMO — and I actually don’t know much about DNA, or which “type” of DNA is identifiable.

Respectfully, I don't think it accurate to say nobody can get away with an assault rape without leaving DNA. It's happened many times before in cases. I don't think rape was the main motivating factor in these deaths to begin with.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

When is the trial again, this August????

August 11th IIRC. There may be some delays, but I believe Judge Hippler will keep both the D & P on a strict timetable.

JMO

 

[jepop]

Thank you, fellow lyricist

Yes, we hope voir dire is able to sort it out.

MOO

Internet killed the re...porter star...
The ether came and broke that art

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm sorry, but every time I look at BK sitting at the Defense table in front of the Judge in these hearings he looks 1 foot away from being on the floor. His chair is lowered down so far he's even shorter than EM and she's not a tall person. BK is, and I think that was a purposeful move on the Defense part. Nothing illegal, but they are using all the tricks IMO.

All you see basically is BK's head. LOL

JMO

 

[jepop]

I'm sorry, but every time I look at BK sitting at the Defense table in front of the Judge in these hearings he looks 1 foot away from being on the floor. His chair is lowered down so far he's even shorter than EM and she's not a tall person. BK is, and I think that was a purposeful move on the Defense part. Nothing illegal, but they are using all the tricks IMO.

All you see basically is BK's head. LOL

JMO

Yea, he does appear shrunken owing to chair height and maybe also he appears thinner to me but hard to tell really.

The thing I find very strangely off and odd is Eliza Massoth's continuous smile during the first portion of day 1 on 23rd Jan, at least in the opening section where AT is mounting her privacy/ 4th amendment argument and Judge is intervening with questions and queries. It really stands out because IMO it is entirely out of place. I re-watched this section a few hours ago ( is posted just up thread) and looked around at everyone else in the room. No-one else is smiling and EM's smiling to me is a strange instance of inappropriate affect. A curiosity I guess but uggh. Jmo

 

[schooling]

Somebody asked upthread about the knife and Amazon. I'm not sure if we know for certain he purchased the knife there, but what we can 100% certain of, IMO that bought something from Amazon, something significant and directly related to the crime? Besides the specificity of the dates pulled, the very fact AT is hot on the topic tells me he bought something incriminating. If his Amazon history was a boring shopping list of safe, energy day items, AT would be giddy to have it produced as an exhibit for trial! There'd be nothing there to see! Nope, she wants it out, more spoilt fruit, she'll argue. Tells me everything I need to know. He bought sumpin he used in the commission of these crimes.

Just as AT is going to make the State work hard to do their jobs, BK has been working hard to make sure AT works hard at hers.

His life depends on it.

JMO

I think when you line up the Dateline reporting ( I believe they said April) and the date range and intent of LE's Amazon warrant ... it checks out.

LE was after what was in his car prior to checkout. I feel pretty confident inferring that the later date in the range is the checkout date. IMO.

That lines up with a first few days of April delivery and the Dateline reporting, IMO.

MOO