4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[jepop]

Good point. Once you've separated paternal matches from maternal matches, you can have one person/group building back paternal side and one person/group building back maternal side until you get to the common set of ancestors (most recent common ancestors) and then can start building forward again. And then multiple people building out the various branches of the tree going forward until you have the entire list of descendants of those common ancestors.
JMO

Thanks again for posting. You explain IGG in a way that's clear, concise and understandable for someone like me with no real scientific background. I wanted to let you know how much this is appreciated!

 

[Nila Aella]

That's what I recall. The judge directly asked her if she was asserting that Kohberger's DNA upload in one of those databases was used, and then she gave a word-salad answer that never came remotely close to answering the question.

SnippedFF

Thanks for this and thanks for transcribing where JNye makes clear defense is not arguing BK uploaded his DNA to an IGG data base.

SnippedFF

IMO the D did this for a reason.

31:50
briefly bring up I think yesterday the court had talked about privacy rights uh with the IG databases and I certainly want make sure that we we are preserving that argument uh we included it in the briefing we do believe that Americans have privacy interest in the genetics they share with other people and that other people then Place Within These databases so that is not something that we intended to abandon in any way.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

It was complete or it wouldn't be 5.37 octillion times more likely to be BK's DNA and AT wouldn't be so scared of it bending over backwards to get it thrown out.

Instead she would write Motion after Motion and depose witness after witness trying to prove the DNA is not reliable or contaminated or planted or only partial or not collected properly or not stored properly or the Idaho States Lab is incompetent and made numerous errors.

2 cents

I have addressed this issues over many threads and linked articles in support. The DNA found on the sheath was male single source, no body else's was mixed in.

JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

SnippedFF

SnippedFF

IMO the D did this for a reason.

31:50
briefly bring up I think yesterday the court had talked about privacy rights uh with the IG databases and I certainly want make sure that we we are preserving that argument uh we included it in the briefing we do believe that Americans have privacy interest in the genetics they share with other people and that other people then Place Within These databases so that is not something that we intended to abandon in any way.

JMO

Thank you for sharing that excerpt @Nila Aella …. and picking up on @MassGuy indication and the statement:

RSBBMFF: … we do believe that Americans have privacy interest in the genetics they share with other people …

Talk about ‘word salad’. IANAL but I fear that dog there might not hunt? At least not very well anyway. MOO

 

[Megnut]

IMO AT is trying to argue that the general population has a right to privacy over... DNA in cells that are wafting about... and also in genetic genealogy databases. She's further insinuating (IMO without proof) that the FBI accessed data bases they shouldn't have and (IMO again without proof) looked at DNA of individuals who opted out. IMO there's no evidence of such a thing but it seems that, IF the FBI did such a thing, it would be the company itself under fire from any one or all of the individuals -- of which no one on either side is asserting BK was. Class action civil suit maybe. But that's only if it's happening and there's no evidence IMO it's happening here. And BK has no standing where, if there are issues, they're with other people who submitted their DNA, not him.

Perhaps it's not standard for LE to use commercial data bases like 23&ME and maybe it's for the very reason of appearances but these agencies ultimately are no different IMO than DMV driver's license data bases or reverse directories, CODIS, they're ways for LE to develop leads. Wherever there's relevant collections of data, that's where LE will look.

JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

But for DNA to "be all over" there has to be people around.

There are people everywhere.
Transfer happens everywhere people go.
Person A can interact with person B and then Person B can travel to a different location and transfer person A's DNA, and only person A's DNA, onto an object.
For example, LAs DNA was transferred 3 hours after contact. What would have happened if his alibi was weak?
JMO

I do not believe that BK had his sheath snap out around anyone. I also do not believe he let anyone "play" with the snap.

Knowing that there is unknown male blood found inside the house and on a glove just outside the house, I'd like more information on the sheath and blood.
JMO

And the snap DNA is described as being SINGLE SOURCE DNA.

This may not mean what you think it means. MOO
Waiting for more information.
JMO

And we have not heard of any DNA being all over the sheath, just on the snap.

We only have a result without complete details about the sampling or processing of the sheath.
JMO

So yes, DNA is all over the darn place but it is in places frequented by humans who touch common things, etc... I do not see it as realistic that BK had his sheath out in public and I believe he hid it very carefully from people.

If the judge allows the DNA in front of the jury I believe prosecution expert DNA witnesses will have diagrams enlarged to help explain the results. Probably have cheek swab DNA and snap DNA and trash profile DNA from BK's dad.

I think it will be clear it is BK's DNA on the snap.

How did it get there?
JMO

The defense will have their own DNA expert but this is what jury's do, they decide if a witness is credible or how credible. If the prosecution's DNA expert witness convinces the jury - beyond a reasonable doubt -
that BK's DNA is the only DNA on the snap, then this will go a very long ways towards convicting him, I am sure.

2 Cents

 

[jepop]

SnippedFF

SnippedFF

IMO the D did this for a reason.

31:50
briefly bring up I think yesterday the court had talked about privacy rights uh with the IG databases and I certainly want make sure that we we are preserving that argument uh we included it in the briefing we do believe that Americans have privacy interest in the genetics they share with other people and that other people then Place Within These databases so that is not something that we intended to abandon in any way.

JMO

Appreciate the transcribe. AT is a top constitutional lawyer Imo and it's right and proper that she should preserve the issue and argument for the record. Moo

But I'm not subtle enough to pick up on the reason you allude to, or how it relates to my point ie It's not in evidence & defense is not asserting BK uploaded his own DNA to any data base accessed by FBI. If he had, why would this be out of evidence, surely the time to address it would be now. Judge said BK has no standing re privacy from that perspective. Jmo

 

[Nila Aella]

Sure, that's why you look into his alibi.

His phone just so happens to go dark for a two hour period, but prior to that, shows data consistent with the movements of a car very similar to his, as seen on WSU surveillance footage.

It just so happens to be traveling in the direction of Moscow when it ceases communication.

Snipped

From the hearing: More information on the Direction of travel
The Judge asked specific questions about this during the hearing.

AT
1:25:37
they chose to take a time seven minutes before it really stopped reporting and they chose to make a map that showed a direction that that phone wasn't traveling

2:15:47
JH ...you address the allegation that the self phone data
uh was I guess um purposefully erroneous as to the time that the phone was uh no longer reporting which then relates to the supposed position of travel

AJ
apparently there's a difference in the handoffs of seven minutes at the end of the
day okay um no I don't think it's incredibly material

JH
is it material if you look at it in terms of where the car where the phone was in that seven minutes going a direction different than what your uh affidavit says it was going

AJ
the direction of travel like yes I I would say it was if it was found outside
of Pullman

2:15:41

JMO

 

[schooling]

So I was thinking about AT's multiplebombshells (IMO, my characterization) during the last hearings.

Admitting that LE's 1125 Ridge Road video definitively shows Kohberger's Elantra. This, after months of implying (IMO) he was stargazing and nowhere near the home on the night of the murders. This, after months of telling us (IMO) that it was the wrong white Elantra in the neighborhood. Now they want us to believe Ridge Road is DEFINITELY Kohberger in a white Elantra but all other Moscow white Elantra's is not him. JMO.

Anyway, this is about the Amazon timeline, I was CURIOUS! So for anyone else who's curious, here we go.

First things first....gather all the dates that we know for sure. The Dateline episode airing date, the date in their reporting (rather Month), the date the Amazon warrant was issued. I needed to get a sense of when the Grand Jury was seated and when they indicted. The latter was easy, it was all over the news. If the former was all over the news too, it wasn't easy to find.

But AT helped out in her Motion to Suppress filing. At the bottom of every page we have this:

MOTION TO SUPPRESS AND MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORTRE: AMAZON ACCOUNT FEDERAL GRAND JURY SUBPOENASAND WARRANTS DATED APRIL 26, 2023, AND MAY 8, 2023

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2024/111424-Motion-Supress-Memorandum-Support-Amazon.pdf

And we know that it's been reported that his family suspected him of something and it's been reported that his parents participated in the Grand Jury proceedings. we don't know about his sister

FIRST ON CNN: Parents of Idaho student murder suspect have been subpoenaed to testify before Pennsylvania grand jury | CNN

The parents of Bryan Kohberger have been subpoenaed to testify before a Monroe County, Pennsylvania, investigative grand jury, according to a source familiar with the situation.

www.cnn.com

Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he could be involved in Idaho murders before sudden arrest

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime

www.aol.com

We know that the Amazon warrant was served on the latter date

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090823-Order-to-Seal-and-Redact-Amazon.pdf

SO I think it's safe to assume that the mysterious person who revealed information that led to the Amazon warrants was subpoenaed on the former.

We know what Dateline reported and when it aired it's episode. So let's all line everything up.

Dateline NBC's Keith Morrison discusses Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murder case

Keith Morrison spoke with KTVB ahead of Friday's Dateline special "The Killings on King Road" about NBC's reporting to uncover new information in the case.

www.ktvb.com

They wanted everyone to know that they had "Exclusive Information!"

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article275593651.html

And that they reported during that special that Kohberger bought a Kabar in April of 2022

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

TIMELINE

APRIL 26, 2023
Grand Jury subpoena issued to the source who gave the information that the defense does not want us to see. IMO according to the defense's filing.

APRIL 27, 2023 - MAY 7, 2023
Presumably, at some point in this window Kohberger's grand jury convenes and the person testifies and offers evidence that LE acts on.

MAY 8, 2023
Amazon warrant obtained by LE. If you're to trust AT's filing, LE uses information garnered from a Grand Jury witness to obtain the warrant. The defense argues that this evidence was out of scope of the subpoena.

MAY 17, 2023
Grand Jury returns it's indictment

MAY 19, 2023
Dateline airs their episode reporting the LE had evidence that Kohberger bought a knife that arrived in April of 2022

SUMMER, 2023
Amazon evidence returned. Which IMO means that LE probably has some physical printout or copy of this Amazon transaction before even reaching out to Amazon. I think someone printed out something for them. This is IMO. Because Dateline was so confident about the tip that they received that they reported that LE had the evidence even before Amazon responded to the warrant. This is my opinion and my interpretation.

NOVEMBER 2024
AT wants the evidence gone. I'm going to assume it's not a Monthly Subscribe and Save Tube Sock Order. JMO. Submits her court filing

JANUARY 2025
AT argues in front of the court. Let's be VERY VERY VERY VERY clear (IMO) about the jest of her argument. It wasn't that the Amazon stuff was not relevant to the case. That was never her argument. JMO. The Judge also makes a very clumsy (IMO) analogy about a TV (aka the knife, in my words, IMO) being involved in a murder and whether or not it's relevant. IMO he mind as well have said the word knife. JMO.

FLASHBACK

MARCH 20 - MARCH 30, 2022
BKs presumably doing some Amazon shopping. I think it's safe to say, IMO, that Kohberger checks out and empties his cart on March 30, 2022. Thats what the warrant tells me. JMO

APRIL 1 - APRIL 30, 2022
Kohberger presumably receives his Amazon package a few days later. Standard Prime shipping is 2 days.

It's not a stretch, IMO, to think if he ordered it on the 30th he would receive it on April 1 or later.

So all that to say: Dateline's reporting is so close to the Grand Jury subpoena and warrant that it bolsters their credibility in my eyes. And the dates windows line up.

All MOO

 

[Megnut]

So I was thinking about AT's multiplebombshells (IMO, my characterization) during the last hearings.

Admitting that LE's 1125 Ridge Road video definitively shows Kohberger's Elantra. This, after months of implying he was stargazing and nowhere near the home on the night of the murders. This, after months of telling us that it was the wrong white Elantra in the neighborhood. Now they want us to believe Ridge Road is DEFINITELY Kohberger in a white Elantra but all other Moscow white Elantra's is not him.

Anyway, this is about the Amazon timeline, I was CURIOUS! So for anyone else who's curious, here we go.

First things first....gather all the dates that we know for sure. The Dateline episode airing date, the date in their reporting (rather Month), the date the Amazon warrant was issued. I needed to get a sense of when the Grand Jury was seated and when they indicted. The latter was easy, it was all over the news. If the former was all over the news too, it wasn't easy to find.

But AT helped out in her Motion to Suppress filing. At the bottom of every page we have this:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2024/111424-Motion-Supress-Memorandum-Support-Amazon.pdf

And we know that it's been reported that his family suspected him of something and it's been reported that his parents participated in the Grand Jury proceedings. we don't know about his sister

FIRST ON CNN: Parents of Idaho student murder suspect have been subpoenaed to testify before Pennsylvania grand jury | CNN

The parents of Bryan Kohberger have been subpoenaed to testify before a Monroe County, Pennsylvania, investigative grand jury, according to a source familiar with the situation.

www.cnn.com

Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he could be involved in Idaho murders before sudden arrest

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime

www.aol.com

We know that the Amazon warrant was served on the latter date

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090823-Order-to-Seal-and-Redact-Amazon.pdf

SO I think it's safe to assume that the mysterious person who revealed information that led to the Amazon warrants was subpoenaed on the former.

We know what Dateline reported and when it aired it's episode. So let's all line everything up.

Dateline NBC's Keith Morrison discusses Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murder case

Keith Morrison spoke with KTVB ahead of Friday's Dateline special "The Killings on King Road" about NBC's reporting to uncover new information in the case.

www.ktvb.com

They wanted everyone to know that they had "Exclusive Information!"

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article275593651.html

And that they reported during that special that Kohberger bought a Kabar in April of 2022

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

TIMELINE

APRIL 26, 2023
Grand Jury subpoena issued to the source who gave the information that the defense does not want us to see.

APRIL 27, 2023 - MAY 7, 2023
Presumably, at some point in this window Kohberger's

MAY 8, 2023
Amazon warrant obtained. According to AT herself, LE uses information garnered from a Grand Jury witness. I'm assuming it's not Subscribe and Save tube socks.

MAY 17, 2023
Grand Jury returns it's indictment

MAY 19, 2023
Dateline airs their episode reporting the LE had evidence that Kohberger bought a knife that arrived in April of 2022

NOVEMBER 2024
AT wants the evidence gone. I'm going to assume it's not a Monthly Subscribe and Save Tube Sock Order. JMO. Submits her court filing

JANUARY 2025
AT argues in front of the court. The Judge makes a very clumsy (IMO) analogy about a TV (aka the knife, in my words, IMO) being involved in a murder and whether or not it's relevant.

FLASHBACK

MARCH 20 - MARCH 30, 2022
BKs presumably doing some Amazon shopping. I think it's safe to say, IMO, that Kohberger checks out and empties his cart on March 30, 2022. Thats what the warrant tells me. JMO

APRIL 1 - APRIL 30, 2022
Kohberger presumably receives his Amazon package a few days later. Standard Prime shipping is 2 days.

It's not a stretch, IMO, to think if he ordered it on the 30th he would receive it on April 1 or later.

So all that to say: Dateline's reporting is so close to the Grand Jury subpoena and warrant that it bolsters their credibility in my eyes. And the dates windows line up.

All MOO

As to the part about the car, iiuc the Defense's position was that there's no evidence to support the State's theory that the Elantra was near 1122 BECAUSE there was no cctv of the car passing a known camera.

Ah, but, the State's witness determined irrefutably that the angle of that camera would preclude it from "seeing" a car there. BAM.

AT was trying to show that the absence of evidence (the car wasn't captured) was evidence of absence (the car wasn't there) but the State showed that the car could be there, it just wouldn't be captured. Ouch for the Defense.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

SBM

You said: Instead, the FBI apparently got into the private side of the DNA database BK put his DNA into. At least this is what AT is alleging.

Where exactly did AT say that the FBI accessed a database where BK loaded his own DNA? It's nowhere in what you quoted and I listened several minutes beyond that and she doesn't say that. When the judge asked her directly if BK's DNA was in any of the databases accessed by the FBI she evaded the question. Later in the hearing, JN stated that there was no evidence or even assertion by BK himself that he was a customer of any of those databases. What evidence do you see that he was?
JMO

She did not say it directly, however, this information has been available on the internet in MSM since at least 2023 indicating that BK did indeed load his DNA to some database to find out about his ancestry:

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger sent DNA for genetic testing to explore ancestry: neighbor

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow grad student that he explored his ancestry by submitting DNA for genetic testing – which could shed light on how investigators used forensic genealogy to zero in on th…

nypost.com

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html

What would you make of this information and AT's comments? Do you think the neighbor is lying?

So if IGG wasn't done, on what basis does BK have a Fourth Amendment challenge? The defense is making the case that the IGG is the illegal search and seizure.
JMO

IMO, AT may be using this to force the FBI to either prove they did an IGG or admit wrongdoing. By now, I'm pretty sure the defense has run their own DNA and done their own IGG on BK.

Othram is the one who develops the SNP profile through genome sequencing. They have a full profile to work with.
JMO

An SNP profile is developed using genome sequencing. A partial DNA SNP is not loaded into the databases for IGG. How quickly I could use his profile to build his tree would depend on the matches generated and if there were both paternal and maternal matches and matches that match BK but not each other. It would help that he has unusual names on both sides of his family and has roots in the mid-Atlantic where there are lots online resources like newspapers with obituaries. But you're not working with a partial profile. You're working with a full DNA profile that was generated using genome sequencing and can only be one person.
JMO

Yet Othram was unable to get any results from whatever they got from ISL so the FBI took over after only a week. In your opinion, what does that mean? By the way, Othram does do IGG/FGG, Carla Walker is probably their most famous case:

"In 2020, after initial failure, Othram’s forensic DNA testing technology enabled investigators to develop an ultra-sensitive DNA profile from the evidence using FGG. This breakthrough led to the identification of Glen McCurley Jr. as Carla’s killer. McCurley confessed to the murder in 2021 and was convicted, bringing long-overdue answers and justice to Carla and her family.

The Carla Walker case was significant not just for its outcome but for its legal implications. It was one of the first cases where FGG was presented in a courtroom setting. The use of FGG underwent a Daubert hearing—a legal process in the United States that determines the admissibility of scientific evidence in court. During this hearing, the judge acts as a gatekeeper, evaluating whether the methodology meets several criteria to ensure it is sound and reliable. After being admitted by the judge, FGG evidence was presented during the jury trial, where scientific experts explained the methodology and were subjected to cross-examination.

McCurley’s conviction was later appealed, and an appellate court upheld the verdict, reinforcing the legal robustness of FGG. The successful use of FGG in the Carla Walker case set a precedent, showcasing its potential as a powerful tool for solving cold cases and securing convictions in the courtroom. This case not only demonstrated the technology’s investigative value but also paved the way for its acceptance in the legal system, ensuring that FGG can continue to deliver justice in cases where traditional methods fall short."

The Carla Walker Act

The Carla Walker Act represents a bipartisan effort to deploy FGG to all, enhance transparency, and create a robust foundation for solving unsolved cases, exonerating the innocent, and delivering justice to families.

research.othram.com

"Does Sorenson Forensics offer in-house FGG?
Sorenson Forensics does not have genealogists on staff, but we are partnered with Othram, a company that can help solve your cases using genome minisequencing and forensic genetic genealogy."

Forensic Genetic Genealogy - Sorenson Forensics

FGG is the application of traditional genealogical methodologies to the collection & analysis of DNA samples to identify an unknown person.

sorensonforensics.com

 

[Megnut]

If he didn't buy anything relevant from Amazon, AT wouldn't push to suppress the records.

You learn a lot about what might be in evidence from the actions of the Defense.

Can't help but wonder if BK bought something before his plan for using it gelled, and therefore in his own name, or if he had a dummy account or borrowed one to hide certain purchases.

IMO it's all coming out in the wash.

All the things he was doing in the dark will be on full blast.

JMO

 

[schooling]

IMO, the person who gave LE the information that led to the Amazon warrant that the defense so badly doesn't want us to see might have provided a paper printout of the cart transaction(s) with them. Though I'm not sure that this person (IMO a family member) had direct access to the account. And this is why LE knew exactly what to ask Amazon for and the exact dates IMO of the checkouts.

And when you relisten to the court hearings again and the reasonable expectation to privacy and the scope of the grand jury subpoena. There's an underlying subtext that leads me to this conclusion. And Dateline prematurely reporting it before LE

MOO

 

[schooling]

If he didn't buy anything relevant from Amazon, AT wouldn't push to suppress the records.

You learn a lot about what might be in evidence from the actions of the Defense.

Can't help but wonder if BK bought something before his plan for using it gelled, and therefore in his own name, or if he had a dummy account or borrowed one to hide certain purchases.

IMO it's all coming out in the wash.

All the things he was doing in the dark will be on full blast.

JMO

I think you're pointing to LE's curiosity about items in his March cart that never made checkout. IMO.

It's about intent.

If he had black gloves and a black jumpsuit in there along with the knife, but then removed them before checking out...then that's not good for BK. And a sign that he was planning this since at least March of 2022 JMO.

 

[Megnut]

I think you're pointing to LE's curiosity about items in his March cart that never made checkout. IMO.

It's about intent.

If he had black gloves and a black jumpsuit in there along with the knife, but then removed them before checking out...then that's not good for BK. And a sign that he was planning this since at least March of 2022 JMO.

Correct. Intention.

It's possible he never purchased them there, not wanting the paper trail, not thinking the contents of his cart, emptied, would create a trail too. Possible he purchased them with more degrees of separation. Regardless, the Amazon warrants are very compelling, and AT's response to them is even more telling. IMO a direct link to BK and the weapon used to murder the victims, whether he orchard it at that time or not.

JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

IMO AT is trying to argue that the general population has a right to privacy over... DNA in cells that are wafting about... and also in genetic genealogy databases. She's further insinuating (IMO without proof) that the FBI accessed data bases they shouldn't have

JH 26:25
should I uh permit evidence obtained potentially
by searching databases that by its own policies law
enforcement said they wouldn't search

JN
so a couple points on that first
um even assuming that that's all correct and that they violated the terms

JH
seems to be the evidence

and (IMO again without proof) looked at DNA of individuals who opted out.

I did look up the site mentioned in the hearing and they prohibit LE from use.
What if someone who used this site chose this site because of the sites privacy policy?
JMO

IMO there's no evidence of such a thing but it seems that, IF the FBI did such a thing, it would be the company itself under fire from any one or all of the individuals -- of which no one on either side is asserting BK was. Class action civil suit maybe. But that's only if it's happening and there's no evidence IMO it's happening here. And BK has no standing where, if there are issues, they're with other people who submitted their DNA, not him.

Perhaps it's not standard for LE to use commercial data bases like 23&ME and maybe it's for the very reason of appearances but these agencies ultimately are no different IMO than DMV driver's license data bases or reverse directories, CODIS, they're ways for LE to develop leads. Wherever there's relevant collections of data, that's where LE will look.

JMO

People should assume that there is no privacy in submitting their DNA to any site. Opting out and privacy policies do not matter.

JMO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

IMO, the person who gave LE the information that led to the Amazon warrant that the defense so badly doesn't want us to see might have provided a paper printout of the cart transaction(s) with them. Though I'm not sure that this person (IMO a family member) had direct access to the account. And this is why LE knew exactly what to ask Amazon for and the exact dates IMO of the checkouts.

And when you relisten to the court hearings again and the reasonable expectation to privacy and the scope of the grand jury subpoena. There's an underlying subtext that leads me to this conclusion. And Dateline prematurely reporting it before LE

MOO

Could BK have been on his parents Amazon account? We shared an account with my daughter and son in law for many years. You still have your own log-in, but can make purchases, watch Prime or play music independently. I don't know if the main account holder would have access to your purchase history and be able to provide the history to LE but it's absolutely possible that BK's parents may have.
JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

Appreciate the transcribe. AT is a top constitutional lawyer Imo and it's right and proper that she should preserve the issue and argument for the record. Moo

I agree.

But I'm not subtle enough to pick up on the reason you allude to

I wasn't alluding to anything.
Just pointing out what their argument was, which JL reiterated, and that I thought there was a reason for not addressing a direct DNA submission.

, or how it relates to my point ie It's not in evidence & defense is not asserting BK uploaded his own DNA to any data base accessed by FBI. If he had, why would this be out of evidence,

IDK. The reason could be that he didn't do it, but there may be another reason. JMO

surely the time to address it would be now.
Judge said BK has no standing re privacy from that perspective. Jmo

ALL JMO

 

[ShastaDaisy]

From May 2023

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I was not aware that traces of blood and a secret storage locker were found at BK's apartment in Pullman?!
Has this already been discussed?

 

[MassGuy]

Snipped

From the hearing: More information on the Direction of travel
The Judge asked specific questions about this during the hearing.

AT
1:25:37
they chose to take a time seven minutes before it really stopped reporting and they chose to make a map that showed a direction that that phone wasn't traveling

2:15:47
JH ...you address the allegation that the self phone data
uh was I guess um purposefully erroneous as to the time that the phone was uh no longer reporting which then relates to the supposed position of travel

AJ
apparently there's a difference in the handoffs of seven minutes at the end of the
day okay um no I don't think it's incredibly material

JH
is it material if you look at it in terms of where the car where the phone was in that seven minutes going a direction different than what your uh affidavit says it was going

AJ
the direction of travel like yes I I would say it was if it was found outside
of Pullman

2:15:41

JMO

The prosecution didn't want to get into a thing where they're arguing about the evidence itself. It's easier and more prudent to basically say "even if that were true," which is what they did. This is not an admission that the investigations were wrong or anything. If I recall, they started talking about a "third tower" while addressing another topic, before the judge advised they not go there, unless they wanted to justify a Franks hearing.

ETA: Just re-read the transcript

The prosecution said that the expert opinions on this matter has not changed. So we're going to have two competing narratives here (no surprise there).