A few basic questions I have

[Levi]

I have that book. And that's what I've been saying for a LONG time. See, and you can ask Wendy this question, when something like this happens, the police will usually arrest both parents and put them in separate holding cells to see which one will throw the other under the bus. That's how they got Hedda Nusbaum to roll on Joel Steinberg. The Boulder Police WANTED to do that in this case, but that bleeding-heart Great Society leftover Alex Hunter wouldn't go for it.

John Douglas who profiled this case, interviewed the Ramsey's but he interviewed them TOGETHER. Which was a big mistake.

I think so many people are fooled by their looks, and just don't want to think that parents could murder their own child. I just wonder why a veteran law man like John Douglas would come into the case with such a bias that would taint the way he investigates the case? Oh, I know, he was getting PAID BY THE RAMSEY FAMILY! ::rolls eyes::

 

[LI_Mom]

John Douglas who profiled this case, interviewed the Ramsey's but he interviewed them TOGETHER. Which was a big mistake.

I think so many people are fooled by their looks, and just don't want to think that parents could murder their own child. I just wonder why a veteran law man like John Douglas would come into the case with such a bias that would taint the way he investigates the case? Oh, I know, he was getting PAID BY THE RAMSEY FAMILY! ::rolls eyes::

John Douglas' defense of the Ramseys has always bothered me.

It seemed SO totally unprofessional for an expert of his caliber to rely on the 'but they were such decent people & they loved their children' defense.

 

[Jane Osa]

Was her bed made-up or just not messy? If it were actually made it's fair to guess that she may never have gone to bed that night.....or, did they conclude that JB had indeed been in that bed for at least some part of the night? You mention traces of urine...old or from that night?

 

[LI_Mom]

Was her bed made-up or just not messy? If it were actually made it's fair to guess that she may never have gone to bed that night.....or, did they conclude that JB had indeed been in that bed for at least some part of the night? You mention traces of urine...old or from that night?

You can find pics of her bed here:

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-panic911.htm


IIRC, her sheets were changed anytime she wet the bed so I don't think she ever went to sleep in a dirty bed.

 

[Parmenides]

Were they able to decipher any of the wording from the imprints? Was the practice note written with something other than a Sharpie (which I believe the ransom note was written with?). I wouldn't think a Sharpie would leave much of an imprint in the pad, unless it was ink bleed-through.

Are you saying that an impression was found of a practice note, but not the actual practice note?

If so what happened to the actual practice note? Flushed down the toilet? Presumably they searched all the wastebaskets.

I wonder what the practice note said or what differences there were between it and the ransom note itself - but I shouldn't be asking that here as I presume the information is readily available.

 

[LI_Mom]

Are you saying that an impression was found of a practice note, but not the actual practice note?

If so what happened to the actual practice note? Flushed down the toilet? Presumably they searched all the wastebaskets.

I wonder what the practice note said or what differences there were between it and the ransom note itself - but I shouldn't be asking that here as I presume the information is readily available.

This is what you're looking for:

http://www.acandyrose.com/04112000thomas-pg73-74.htm


http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The+Ransom+Note

 

[BBB167893]

John Douglas who profiled this case, interviewed the Ramsey's but he interviewed them TOGETHER. Which was a big mistake.

Don't mention that name around me!

I think so many people are fooled by their looks, and just don't want to think that parents could murder their own child.

I could give you a list of people who resemble that remark and should know better.

I just wonder why a veteran law man like John Douglas would come into the case with such a bias that would taint the way he investigates the case? Oh, I know, he was getting PAID BY THE RAMSEY FAMILY! ::rolls eyes::

No kidding! Tell me about the rabbits again, George!

Was her bed made-up or just not messy?

See for yourself. Like I said, I never left a bed that neat when i was six-years-old.

If it were actually made it's fair to guess that she may never have gone to bed that night.....or, did they conclude that JB had indeed been in that bed for at least some part of the night?

Maybe.

You mention traces of urine...old or from that night

Well, since there was only creatine, which is a mineral that clings to the material, it could have been very old.

Are you saying that an impression was found of a practice note, but not the actual practice note?

Something like that.

If so what happened to the actual practice note? Flushed down the toilet? Presumably they searched all the wastebaskets.

I think Henry Lee said they got one out of the garbage.

I wonder what the practice note said or what differences there were between it and the ransom note itself - but I shouldn't be asking that here as I presume the information is readily available.

The practice note was addressed to BOTH parents, just off the top of my head.

 

[Ames]

<<SNIPPED>>

The practice note was addressed to BOTH parents, just off the top of my head.

Yeah, the practice note said...Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey. But, I read somewhere that Patsy admitted to writing that one, saying it was going to be an invitation for a party. Mr and Mrs. Ramsey would like to invite you..... I don't know how true that is though.

 

[Chrishope]

Thanks a lot SuperDave!!


Something else I wanted to mention:

I've seen people argue "why would an intruder write a ransom note, and then just leave the body?". IF it was an intruder who had it in for JR, what better way to totally screw with his head. The killer could leave a note, in hopes that they wouldn't do a thorough search of the house and the body would not be found until much later. Imagine the horror a parent would face if they were to discover their child's body in the basement weeks, or even months later.

My 2 cents on this aspect of the case.

First, I don't think the idea that someone killed JBR to get back at JR (and/or PR) makes much sense. It's not that it's impossible -darn near anything is possible- it just strikes me as highly (highly, highly) improbable.

How many cases do you know of where someone killed another person's child to get back at them? Not many, because there aren't many. This was John Ramsey, not John Ghotti. JR wasn't having anyone killed and thrown in the east river. If someone had a business deal with him, and thought they got the short end of the stick, the normal remedy would be to sue. Most people, if they loose in court, take it on the chin and move on with their lives - they don't decide to get back at them by killing a child. You could spin a "Tanya Harding" scenario where another pagent mom killed JBR to give her own daughter a better chance in the pagents, but that seems at least as unlikely. In short, it's just highly unlikely anyone hated the Ramseys enough to kill their daughter.

As for finding the body, it wouldn't take weeks or months before one could smell it. They'd find it soon enough.

A third element is that it would be highly unlikely the body wouldn't be found within hours. It seems suspicious to me that the body lies around the house for 13 hours before being found, even though police, parents, and freinds search the house.

Finally, if some one had it in for JR and wanted to kill JBR in revenge, what better way to screw with his head than to take the body, dump it where it will never be found, and then let him spend the rest of his life never really being sure if JBR is alive or not.

I'd rate it as a very low probability theory.

 

[Ames]

My 2 cents on this aspect of the case.

First, I don't think the idea that someone killed JBR to get back at JR (and/or PR) makes much sense. It's not that it's impossible -darn near anything is possible- it just strikes me as highly (highly, highly) improbable.

How many cases do you know of where someone killed another person's child to get back at them? Not many, because there aren't many. This was John Ramsey, not John Ghotti. JR wasn't having anyone killed and thrown in the east river. If someone had a business deal with him, and thought they got the short end of the stick, the normal remedy would be to sue. Most people, if they loose in court, take it on the chin and move on with their lives - they don't decide to get back at them by killing a child. You could spin a "Tanya Harding" scenario where another pagent mom killed JBR to give her own daughter a better chance in the pagents, but that seems at least as unlikely. In short, it's just highly unlikely anyone hated the Ramseys enough to kill their daughter.

As for finding the body, it wouldn't take weeks or months before one could smell it. They'd find it soon enough.

A third element is that it would be highly unlikely the body wouldn't be found within hours. It seems suspicious to me that the body lies around the house for 13 hours before being found, even though police, parents, and freinds search the house.

Finally, if some one had it in for JR and wanted to kill JBR in revenge, what better way to screw with his head than to take the body, dump it where it will never be found, and then let him spend the rest of his life never really being sure if JBR is alive or not.

I'd rate it as a very low probability theory.

I agree with your whole post. And if it was someone wanting revenge on John, I believe that they would have targeted Patsy...or Burke. John was closer to his son, than to JB. Patsy was closer to JB than to Burke. The "Intruder"...had he of been real...wouldn't have had a clue how long it would take the Rams to discover the body.

 

[Toltec]

there is something absolutely incredible going on in the 1998 interview
with patsy ramsey

pictures that are different that are in her camera versus the police camera

Pictures John Ramsey took of the hallway in order to use up the film. This doesn't make sense to me because after the hallway pics came pics of Christmas day...a pic of JonBenet with Patsy.

cleaning stuff where it shouldnt be

Windex that Patsy used to wipe the flashlight.

a plastic container that might have pineapple in it

Found in JB's bedroom....Det. Smit believes it contained pineapple.


WHOOOOOO... its unreal

There were other things found in the pics....a plastic bag at the foot of the spiral staircase, a scarf that was moved to another place in the hallway, a book, and something (perhaps a picture) of Jay Elowsky.

 

[robotdog]

There were other things found in the pics....a plastic bag at the foot of the spiral staircase, a scarf that was moved to another place in the hallway, a book, and something (perhaps a picture) of Jay Elowsky.

the interview is incredulous.


patsy appears to know the JIG is up and of course she sputters on and on with " i dont knows"

to me it is shocking, the pineappple in the tupperware is what i think sticks a fork in the whole pineapple fiasco the utter nonsense about an intruder feeding here pineapple..

seems more likely that patsy packed some in a tupperware for a trip
and it ended up in the jonbenet's room, she ate it there and it caused her to
wet the bed and the rest is the beginning of the end

 

[Ames]

the interview is incredulous.


patsy appears to know the JIG is up and of course she sputters on and on with " i dont knows"

to me it is shocking, the pineappple in the tupperware is what i think sticks a fork in the whole pineapple fiasco the utter nonsense about an intruder feeding here pineapple..

seems more likely that patsy packed some in a tupperware for a trip
and it ended up in the jonbenet's room, she ate it there and it caused her to
wet the bed and the rest is the beginning of the end

I agree...I had never thought about the pineapple making her wet the bed though. That makes sense...it would be just like eating watermelon...its full of juice.

I actually did a count of how many "I Don't knows" that Patsy said...and posted it on a thread here, and on FFJ. I also counted the "blah, blah, blahs" and when she said.."yadda, yadda, yadda"....and also the "Uhhhh's". I can't remember what the number was for them, but it was alot...especially the "I don't knows". Do a search of threads by me..if you are interested.

 

[robotdog]

I agree...I had never thought about the pineapple making her wet the bed though. That makes sense...it would be just like eating watermelon...its full of juice.

I actually did a count of how many "I Don't knows" that Patsy said...and posted it on a thread here, and on FFJ. I also counted the "blah, blah, blahs" and when she said.."yadda, yadda, yadda"....and also the "Uhhhh's". I can't remember what the number was for them, but it was alot...especially the "I don't knows". Do a search of threads by me..if you are interested.

thank you AMES for your help.

i will look up your posts, i have only posted here a few times but have read many times here.

"i dont know" is her middle name :crazy:

 

[Ames]

thank you AMES for your help.

i will look up your posts, i have only posted here a few times but have read many times here.

"i dont know" is her middle name :crazy:

You are welcome...

LOL..yeah, her REAL name is....Patsy I Don't Know Ramsey. John used it alot too...so, I think thats also his middle name.

 

[robotdog]

You are welcome...

LOL..yeah, her REAL name is....Patsy I Don't Know Ramsey. John used it alot too...so, I think thats also his middle name.

yea that works - the lizard tongue himself :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[robotdog]

i would like to see the photo of the tupperware with the pineapple in it,

also, where the heck is the tupperware that WAS in the photo ?


hmmmmmmmmm

 

[JMO8778]

I don't think the tupperware actually had pineapple in it.That was something that Smit just speculated upon,from looking at the photos of JB's room.And of course he was just looking for any angle to make the intruder theory 'fit'.The container was more likely to have held beads or something.(I think there were some art projects in her room,I know there was said to be a potholder loom).
But we know the pineapple didn't come from there anyway,as what was tested in the bowl matched what was in JB's stomach,right down to the rind.