Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

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[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

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[Niner]

Saturday, November 2nd:
*Trial continues (Day 14) (@ 9am ET) – IN – Abigail Joyce Williams (13) & Liberty Rose Lynn German (14) (Missing Feb. 13, 2017, found killed Feb. 14, 2017, after walking on a local hiking trail & were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the Monon High Bridge Trail, Delphi) – *Richard “Ricky/Rick” Matthew Allen (44 @ time of crime/50/now 52) arrested & booked (10/26/22) into the Carroll County Jail & charged & arraigned (10/28/22) with 2 counts of murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims. Plead not guilty. Initial bond @ $20M on 10/27/22. On 2/16/23 held with no bond.
Amended charges (on 1/18/24/granted on 3/18/24): 2 counts of felony murder (knowingly & intentionally), 2 counts of murder (while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims). Plead not guilty. Carroll County
*Transferred to White County jail from Carroll County for security reasons. And was transferred (11/2/22) to IN. DOC at Westville Correctional Facility at a more secure facility. Was awaiting transfer to Westville Correctional Facility but Judge Gull denied move (6/15/23). She plans to take the arguments under advisement & will make a ruling on whether or not he will be moved out of Westville at a later date. Judge Gull denied move (7/5/23). On 12/6/23 Allen was transferred from Westville to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility (long term segregation). Allen was booked (5/6/24) into the Allen County Jail [for hearing on 5/7/24]. Allen back (5/7/24) to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility. Judge Gull granted transfer [8/1/24] of custody to the Carroll County Sheriff [instead of IDOC] but will be held in Cass County jail until trial is over.
Trial began with jury selection on 10/14/24 & ended 10/15/24.
Trial began on 10/18/24. Mondays thru Fridays from 9am to 6pm. Saturdays from 9am to noon. Prosecutors rested their case on 10/31/24. Defense began their case on 10/31/24.
*12 jurors (7 women & 5 men) & 4 alternates [3 women & 1 man]. One alternate was dismissed for a family emergency on 10/25/24. 3 Alternates left (3 women). Jury is sequestered.
Allen County Judge Frances C. Gull presiding. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland & Special Prosecutor James David Luttrull, Jr.
Andrew Baldwin & Bradley Rozzi are Allen’s public appointed attorneys & added Jennifer Auger [addressing the circumstances surrounding digital forensics].
Charges, case & court info from 4/19/21 thru 10/11/24 & Jury Selection Day 1-2 (10/14-10/15/24) & thru 10/16/24 & Trial Day 1-12 (10/18-10/31/24) reference post #4 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...hi-murders-richard-allen-arrested-209.727700/
10/31/24 Docket updates: Order issued for transport [for inmate Jesse James] by Judge Gull. Noticed: McLeland, Baldwin, Rozzi, Luttrull, Diener & Auger.
10/31/24 Docket updates: Verified petition for rirt of Mandamus & Restator's Brief in Support of Petition for Writ of Mandamus both filed by Andrea Burkhart. Se post #133, page 7, thread 209.
11/1/24 Friday, Trial Day 13: Judge gull tells defense attorney Brad Rozzi that they will chat about his motions he’s filed on transports during the lunch break. The defense calls Christopher Gootee & the state immediately calls for a sidebar.
*Defense witnesses: Hammond Police Officer Christopher Gootee [he was with an FBI gang response task force or GRIT. They focused on kidnappings. Gootee tells the jury that GRIT assisted with the Delphi investigation by canvassing neighborhoods & conducting interviews. He says he worked on the investigation for over a week. He interviewed Brad Weber with FBI Special Agent Adam Pohl who wrote the report]. Dr. Deanna Dwenger. [She oversees the Dept. of Behavioral Health at the Indiana DOC]. Max Baker, who is an intern who works for the defense. [He was asked to compile video of Allen at Westville & put it on a flash drive. There are two main video formats, camcorder video 7 security camera video. The camcorder video is video outside of Allen’s cell & the security video is inside Allen’s cell. The camcorder video has sound, the security video does not. The prosecution objected & there was another sidebar. Judge Gull says she admits the camcorder video with exceptions. The defense can submit the camcorder video, but the video from April to July 2023 cannot be submitted with sound. She admits the spreadsheets]. Ultimately, it appeared Judge Gull decided to allow videos to be played without audio. The debate wasn’t finished there, however. The defense said it couldn’t say for sure when the videos were from because of the way they were labeled in discovery. Gull said they can’t use the videos if they can’t verify the dates. The defense will do some additional research and try to introduce them later. Allen’s team will call additional witnesses after lunch.
*11/1/24 Docket update: Motion for witness to appear remotely filed by Allen. For Supervisory Special Agent Adam Pohl of the FBI. This is regarding interview with Brad Weber. See link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GMlvkQQjNax1N7vn-a8G563ifTuFvSCe/view
*Defense witnesses [continued]: Brad Heath. David McCain [was project manager of the Monon High Bridge Trail]. Former Delphi Fire Chief Darrell Sterrett. Steve Mullin, the former Delphi police chief, now an investigator for prosecutor's office]. Tobe Leazenby [who was the Carroll County sheriff from 2015-2022, now chief deputy for the Sheriff's office].
*Next came a motion from the defense to have inmates in Indiana DOC facilities to be transported. The defense also noted its latest motion to admit evidence of Odinism, a modern pagan religion & an Old Norse religion. A third motion asked for a witness, an FBI special agent who is out of state on assignment, to appear remotely. The judge granted a motion for inmate Jesse James to be transported to the courtroom in Delphi. She denied the motion to allow testimony about Odinism. Judge Gull also denied any witnesses via videoconferencing.
For more info see post #70 (Day 13 blog) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ders-richard-allen-arrested-209.727700/page-4
Trial continues on Saturday, 11/2/24 @ 9am.

 

[Niner]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 14 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi Murders, as it continues with videos of Allen from prison and testimony from witnesses.

www.wishtv.com

9 a.m.: Court resumes for Saturday session​

News 8’s Kyla Russell is back in Delphi for continuing coverage of the double murder trial of Richard Allen.

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Brief summary of Day 12 in the Delphi Murders trial​

 

[EllaMinnowP]

I have been concerned since the arrest affidavit for RA was made public that he could be innocent.(*Admittedly biased by my disappointment with LE and the bits and pieces of the investigation that they dangled in press conferences, etc. over the years).
I followed the case from that perspective, right up until I found out that he’d confessed 61 times or something. I decided not to look at another thing until the trial started. I was well aware of his imprisonment.

So far from the reports coming out of the trial, these are my problems with believing RA’s innocent (*and things I’m weighing it against if any) :

At this time, I am comfortable with accepting that RA -and the group of girls- described seeing one another.
I’m fine with the female witnesses seeing the manipulated still of BG, and confirming that was the man they had tried to describe, even if the details they tried to provide didn’t match one another’s description, much less describe RA, imo.

RA reports being on the bridge, dressed similarly enough to the BG. Apparently nothing is done by him or his confidants to have this picture removed from the investigation. When he’s asked whether it’s him in the picture, he doesn’t give a straight answer.
I heard/read here that some trial attendees (Murder Sheet, maybe?) heard KA telling RA, “You didn’t tell me you were on the bridge” while the investigators were out of the interrogation room. This tells me he was more honest with LE than he was with KA.

Next, he can’t produce his phone for the relevant time period. That is baffling to me, given his communication with LE about a double murder investigation! I can’t picture his wife or anyone close to him getting rid of it, knowing the same.

Then, he eventually changes the timeframe for his bridge visit. *I also do note that others changed details of their accounts over time, too. So on the one hand, if it’s understandable for other people’s memories to be not as clear, why can’t Richard Allen be just as human in that regard? BUT…

Then he goes and specifies box cutter and van. The box cutter confession is supported by the medical examiner’s late-breaking opinion that a box cutter could be consistent with the sharp instrument that was used. I don’t love the optics of the timing, but I guess I’m okay with his opinion that a box cutter would explain the reason that he initially opined that perhaps 2 blades were used, and he had never thought about a box cutter in his previous examination. Can’t remember if he testified to having seen box cutter wounds throughout his career.

The van? I liked it better before I learned of Wala’s fascination with, and excessive following of the case, before and during her treatment of RA. Did she tip him off to that rumor, inadvertently or otherwise, while telling him about his internet supporters in an effort to encourage him? Even if so, though, why does he decide to add that particular morsel to his confession? I’m open minded to hearing more from Weber, but as of right now I have no reason to disregard this confession made by RA.

By all accounts I have heard from reporters, and others who were in the gallery, the recorded call to his mother sounded sincere. I have to wonder if he ever confessed to his attorneys. It seems like his wife and mother were contacting them to let them know what RA was saying. As attorneys, I do not know if they have a legal obligation to handle that situation in one way or another, if a client confesses to them.

For now, I am thinking RA is the murderer. I hate feeling like the investigation into his involvement was still in fairly early stages when they arrested him, and nowhere near complete. I hate that they imprisoned him pretrial, and it seems like the “ongoing investigation” devolved into simply monitoring him in prison, and taking measures to prove his confessions, which were made under extreme duress -imo- even if they were the truth.

 

[katydid23]

Sure he could; that area is heavily wooded.
He disappeared quickly, according to the witness.
IMO

We have no reason to believe he was BG though---no description of him whatsoever

 

[Diddian]

Here are the three things Richard Allen confessed that only the murderer would know:

1) He was spooked by the white van while he tried to SA the girls
2) The girls had their throats cut
3) Their bodies were covered with sticks

GUILTY!

Also incriminating - contradictions between his 2022 and 2017 LE interviews and between those interviews and geofencing evidence:

• In the 2022 LE interview, RA changed the timing of his visit to MHB to EXCLUDE the timing of LG's and AW's visit there. In his 2017 interview, the timing of RA's visit coincided with the girls' visit, the timing of their disappearance, and with the timing of witnesses he encountered while there. It's like he thought that since he had for so long gotten away with the abduction and murders, he was entitled to change his claims to better suggest innocence given later known facts and to be believed.
• In his 2022 LE interview, waffling on the color of the Carhartt jacket he'd been wearing while at MHB that day. He said blue or black in the later interview, even though he stated he'd been wearing a blue jacket in the 2017 interview. (And as @BUF posted here recently, RA told LE that if he'd been wearing a cap, it would have been the skullcap he typically carried in his jacket pocket, which would indicate he kept a cap in a PARTICULAR jacket that had a PARTICULAR color - suggesting the 2017 claim of a particular color jacket is more credible.)
• In his 2017 interview with the conservation officer, RA makes a point of mentioning that he was checking the stock ticker on his phone; however, geofencing appears to contradict that statement because the mobile phone RA was using in 2017 doesn't turn up in geofencing reports and the phone itself is no longer in RA's possession (even though many other obsolete devices were). IMO, in his 2017 statement to the conservation officer, RA admitted to multiple facts that he felt he must admit because he believed he was seen by witnesses and/or photographed while there - facts such as what he was wearing while at MHB, when he was there, where he had parked, who he had encountered, and his claim to have been checking stocks on a phone screen (witnesses would only be able to state and a photograph would only be able to verify that he was seen checking a screen, but would not be able to say what was on the screen). (My suspicion: The phone screen he was viewing was not his regular mobile phone but was instead a phone he gained during his trip to Peru that morning. I suspect that acquiring that phone from the associate who gave it to him was the primary purpose of RA's trip to Peru that morning even if he also stopped to see his mother and I would be very curious whether vehicle data would seem to confirm that suspicion. I suspect - given how much LG had pushed for the ride to MHB that early afternoon AND that her visit there coincided with RA's visit - that LG was making SnapChat posts with the intention that they'd be seen on that phone she likely believed was held by someone else and RA was following those SnapChat posts with that phone and that is why he might have been seen by witnesses looking at a phone screen. All of this is purely my own suspicion, fueled by the belief that there was meaning behind every detail RA mentioned in his statement to LE in 2017 about his time at MHB on the afternoon LG and AW disappeared and were murdered.)

ETA: WHO modifies the statements they make to LE to better suggest innocence in relation to facts later discovered? People who have a reason to lie because the truth incriminates them.

 

[Arkay]

I’m screenshotting this from an earlier post. The last sentence is my focus.





This reporter in court did indeed say the public was allowed to see crime scene photos of Abby and Libby as they were found.

Which is nude and torn up.

I vociferously objected to that in an earlier post, but am confused now because I also saw some posts that said the TV was turned at that point to only face the jury.

It’s received a lot of comments so I just want to add this now.

Once again we are beholden to just getting dribs and drabs from court.

I still lodge a vehement objection if this turns out to be valid.

I see some posts here proclaiming that it’s a public trial and so the public should be allowed to see everything.

I know I can only have my own opinion, while others have theirs.

I don’t even care if there is legal standing for the public to see everything in a trial.

NO ONE, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD SEE ABBY AND LIBBY NAKED AND DEAD UNLESS THEY ARE FAMILY, JUDGE, JURY OR THE LAWYERS INVOLVED!

Just play that string out…YouTubers and podcasters who are not subject to the strict rules of actual journalism can broadcast that for clicks…and then how many perverts out there in the general public are going to relish seeing them that way????

Even upstanding people in the public arena have NO BUSINESS seeing young teenaged girls in this condition.

Two of my grandchildren are girls. The thought is unbearable.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

Boxcutter was unrealistic

murders committed with a box cutter:

Victim of alleged box-cutter killer fought back but died from severe cut to the neck

Amy Humphries, 28, of Orange City had 77 cuts and stab wounds but the injury that severed her windpipe is what killed her, a medical examiner said.

www.news-journalonline.com

"But of all the injuries, Ripple said that the large, deep cut that severed Humphries' windpipe, neck muscle, and veins, killed her."

Reports: Box cutter used to kill Mass. math teacher

Philip Chism, 14, is charged the killing Colleen Ritzer, at Danvers High School.

www.usatoday.com

"Chism told police he followed Ritzer into the women's restroom, punched her in the face and slashed her throat with a box cutter."

Document: 70-year-old man used box cutter to kill his brother

A 70-year-old man used a box cutter to kill his brother, according to court documents.J

kfoxtv.com

"According to court documents, the two brothers got into an argument and started hitting each other. During the fight, Alvino pulled out the box cutter and "began slashing at Alfredo's body causing an an incision to (Alfredo's) neck and jugular artery area."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/elderly-killer-jean-ann-james-loses-bid-for-private-visits-with-unfaithful-husband-1.3198433

"James is serving a life sentence for nearly decapitating her friend, Gladys Wakabayashi, with a box cutter in June 1992"

And I've got pages more of results in my search, and reading the articles to get direct quotes is getting more and more unpleasant, so I'll leave it at that. I can provide more if needed, but after a break.

 

[photographer4]

AB said it didn't look handwritten alluding to the fact they didn't prepare it there in court.

Does not speak to being unprepared imo then. Ty.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I wonder how they'd manage variables? Stress? Weather conditions? Physical fitness or lack thereof? Terrain... visibility (to possible witnesses), the need to be quiet so as to not draw possible attention... could any determination on this be reliable? RA had a heart attack in his 30's per this link:

Delphi murder trial: Libby's blood was likely mixed with her tears, expert says

A pattern on the body of Delphi murder victim Libby German showed her blood was likely mixed with tears, an officer testified.

abc11.com

How likely is it that this guy traversed the terrain that has been described as difficult by the state when the D wanted to take the jury on a trip to the area? Imo? Not likely imo.

EDITED to include link re: P opposing jury trip: https://fox59.com/indiana-news/delp...efense-request-to-take-jurors-to-crime-scene/

SECOND LINK ADDED WITH QUOTE: ""The terrain where the bodies were found is very difficult to traverse and would be dangerous for the jury to get to," McLeland stated" - Prosecutor doesn't want Delphi murder suspect's jurors to see crime scenes in person

Of course RA could manage the terrain.
RL easily traversed into his 70s.

It’s not the Grand Canyon.

jmo

 

[Mitch1]

There are other facts only the killer knows , and RA knows them, which he has proven.

Can you specify what RA knows that only the killer does because it’s not the van

 

[photographer4]

We're not in the court room, but surely, if someone was telling them to go down the hill off camera, then the person on the bridge would have come forward to explain what they had seen? Or the girls would have called for help? Or tried to run back across the bridge to the friendly person following them. I understand the defence has to poke holes but it seems unreasonable that it was anyone other than bridge guy who ordered them down the hill?

A person who had been on the bridge that day did come forward and offer to help police - how has this worked out for RA? Mooo.

 

[gremlin444]

Anyone with discovery knew those details.

The van thing was being discussed very early on SM as well, and D has already stated it was in discovery hundreds of times.

And on redirect, it was clarified that it was just the word "van" that appeared hundreds of times in the discovery--in the listing of ALL the tips that were collected. Not mentions about Brad Weber's white van. But in the collection of every single tip that ever came in about vans on other roads, vans of all colors, etc.

 

[Tricia]

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[Gemmie]

I get it. She's human. But I would think his DA should at least have a poker face during stuff like this. The fact she can't put one on makes me wonder how the rest of the trial will go defense-wise.

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger appeared deeply concerned watching Video #10, Russell observed. At one point, Auger held her head in her hand, and covered her mouth during another. Eventually, she looked away.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 14 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi Murders, as it continues with videos of Allen from prison and testimony from witnesses.

www.wishtv.com

 

[BexLuth0r]

A person who had been on the bridge that day did come forward and offer to help police - how has this worked out for RA? Mooo.

He hasn't been arrested and put on trial just because he was on the bridge though has he? There are other factors at play and a lot of small things do add up to him likely being the killer.

My point is, to me, it doesn't make logical sense that the girls were being followed by BG, were then told to go down the hill by someone at the end of the bridge and the person, who was that close to the girls with his hands in his pockets so was unlikely to be distracted by holding a phone etc., would not have come forward to tell the police they saw the girls go down the hill off the bridge.

It's been spoken about for 7 years that BG is the girls killer, why is it suddenly now a theory that BG is innocent? I just don't understand the logic behind it or the logic behind them framing/railroading RA.

There are far bigger fish they could have caught and made them fit.

MOO

 

[m00c0w]

I have been concerned since the arrest affidavit for RA was made public that he could be innocent.(*Admittedly biased by my disappointment with LE and the bits and pieces of the investigation that they dangled in press conferences, etc. over the years).
I followed the case from that perspective, right up until I found out that he’d confessed 61 times or something. I decided not to look at another thing until the trial started. I was well aware of his imprisonment.

So far from the reports coming out of the trial, these are my problems with believing RA’s innocent (*and things I’m weighing it against if any) :

At this time, I am comfortable with accepting that RA -and the group of girls- described seeing one another.
I’m fine with the female witnesses seeing the manipulated still of BG, and confirming that was the man they had tried to describe, even if the details they tried to provide didn’t match one another’s description, much less describe RA, imo.

RA reports being on the bridge, dressed similarly enough to the BG. Apparently nothing is done by him or his confidants to have this picture removed from the investigation. When he’s asked whether it’s him in the picture, he doesn’t give a straight answer.
I heard/read here that some trial attendees (Murder Sheet, maybe?) heard KA telling RA, “You didn’t tell me you were on the bridge” while the investigators were out of the interrogation room. This tells me he was more honest with LE than he was with KA.

Next, he can’t produce his phone for the relevant time period. That is baffling to me, given his communication with LE about a double murder investigation! I can’t picture his wife or anyone close to him getting rid of it, knowing the same.

Then, he eventually changes the timeframe for his bridge visit. *I also do note that others changed details of their accounts over time, too. So on the one hand, if it’s understandable for other people’s memories to be not as clear, why can’t Richard Allen be just as human in that regard? BUT…

Then he goes and specifies box cutter and van. The box cutter confession is supported by the medical examiner’s late-breaking opinion that a box cutter could be consistent with the sharp instrument that was used. I don’t love the optics of the timing, but I guess I’m okay with his opinion that a box cutter would explain the reason that he initially opined that perhaps 2 blades were used, and he had never thought about a box cutter in his previous examination. Can’t remember if he testified to having seen box cutter wounds throughout his career.

The van? I liked it better before I learned of Wala’s fascination with, and excessive following of the case, before and during her treatment of RA. Did she tip him off to that rumor, inadvertently or otherwise, while telling him about his internet supporters in an effort to encourage him? Even if so, though, why does he decide to add that particular morsel to his confession? I’m open minded to hearing more from Weber, but as of right now I have no reason to disregard this confession made by RA.

By all accounts I have heard from reporters, and others who were in the gallery, the recorded call to his mother sounded sincere. I have to wonder if he ever confessed to his attorneys. It seems like his wife and mother were contacting them to let them know what RA was saying. As attorneys, I do not know if they have a legal obligation to handle that situation in one way or another, if a client confesses to them.

For now, I am thinking RA is the murderer. I hate feeling like the investigation into his involvement was still in fairly early stages when they arrested him, and nowhere near complete. I hate that they imprisoned him pretrial, and it seems like the “ongoing investigation” devolved into simply monitoring him in prison, and taking measures to prove his confessions, which were made under extreme duress -imo- even if they were the truth.

Thank you for this. I’ve followed this case for many years and felt like there was definite substance to KAK/TK and his crew. I thought it was crazy they were dredging the Wabash and they were about to bust the whole thing open. But nope. He was just a lying liar that lies.

I was also aware of a lot of the Odinist theories and believed there was some weird stuff going on there and there were certainly a lot of strange coincidences. But again, deep dives into the theories yielded little of substance.

Then along came RA’s arrest that shocked everyone. Certainly he has to be linked to KAK or something? Nope. Just RA by himself. Over time, more and more comes out that really makes it seem like he’s the guy. I was unimpressed with law enforcement’s efforts and competency in this case, and they definitely missed out on more potential evidence against him because of how long it took them to un-lose a lead.

I wasn’t sure what to expect at trial. Some things I thought should be there are missing, but ultimately it’s a fairly strong case. A lot of what was missing from the other theories is here and points to RA.

And I feel pretty strongly if they were trying to set someone up, it would be someone like KAK that would not attract much sympathy. Instead, they went the hard route which means to me they must feel like this is actually the guy.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

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-After him former fire chief Darrell Sterrett was up

-He was helping lead searches in the area of the bridge the day the girls went missing
-Sterrett had a lot of trouble remembering almost anything and had to reference his deposition several times
-He testified that nobody out there that night saw any clothes in the creek

-He also said he could hear people searching on the north side of the creek which is where the girls were found
-I believe this is an insinuation by the defense that the girls were taken away and then brought back otherwise they would've been found


This^^^ does not sway me. How many cases have we followed here, where missing persons were not found during the initial search, sometimes not found for months or years? And then randomly a hunter or a hiker will come across the remains.

Also, Initially those searchers were not looking for dead, covered up bodies. They were looking for injured or lost girls, for the most part.

The clothing may not have even started out right there in the creek. It could have been on the bank or in the brush at first---could have been moved by wildlife or the elements.

I think it is more likely that the initial search missed the bodies and the clothing. The scenario of the girls being taken and returned seems highly unlikely if not totally.