VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video
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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

- Speculation that is not based on known fact is not allowed.

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[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

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[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here while we wait for the verdict.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

No, he cannot sue for that specifically, but there will be other things he can sue for.

Thanks. I never really thought of it until someone posted that question about the Odinist guy.

 

[fcavanaugh]

IMO, the DA/prosecution will definitely re-try RA if the jury is hung. It gives them a chance to strengthen their case and probably/likely a different presiding Judge overseeing future retrial.

IMHOO

 

[fred&edna]

dbm

 

[KentuckyMama]

I disagree. He actually is quite strong mentally. He has withstood some of the worst conditions possible and did not surrender to the pressure to off himself.

The unsaid reason that he was housed in solitary confinement for 13 months needs to be addressed.

Just call him Surrendering Ricky. He surrendered many times. Every time he confessed. When he "found God" and asked for the chance to apologize to the families. A person "quite strong mentally" does not drink from the toilet. Or throw fits and break electronics. Or eat feces. Or paint themselves with it like they're Picasso. They don't have to be force medicated. Or drug to showers to be washed by staff. The law isn't called by their wife and then she decides to take him to hospital to be evaluated. They aren't self confessed alcoholics. They don't look up online if they should die now. Guilty or innocent....... Definitely not mentally sound. Not before the murders. Not during if he did it. And not since. Unless you think Dr Wala was correct, that he was faking.

 

[SouthEnd]

Quick question: Do we often see change of Judge in retrials?

Because it seems like the state of Indiana has placed a lot of faith on JG, I personally don't see them changing her out.

 

[Vaderman]

Webster's defines a verdict as "a position arrived at after consideration".

Thesaurus results for VERDICT

Synonyms for VERDICT: decision, opinion, conclusion, determination, judgment, judgement, resolution, diagnosis; Antonyms of VERDICT: tie, halt, draw, deadlock, stalemate, standoff, fact, truth

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[katydid23]

No one should be unloved. Period.

I have worked in mental health treatment, substance abuse, and corrections. I've provided health care for people who have done some heinous things. But the care I provide to them speaks about me, not about them.

Yes, providing healthcare and therapy for people who have done heinous things is expected and condoned.

But throwing them a parade full of loving placards like they are a rockstar? That seems ridiculous, imo.

 

[Melted]

I think it’s very important to understand that if he is found not guilty by a jury of his peers who have spent nearly a month viewing all of this evidence in person then that means he’s not guilty, <modsnip: WS does NOT condone threats of any kind. If there are such posts, Report them !!>. In no way was the states case a slam dunk and every lawyer I’ve seen talk about this case other than Kevin from TMS agrees that the state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, which is their burden.

JMO

 

[MyJoey]

Yes. Even with a not guilty verdict, it’s not like this guy is going to ride off into the sunset. He was suicidal well before he was ever caught, and likely before the murders themselves.

His reputation seems to be important to him, and his mental health is likely exponentially worse now (he’s apparently threatening to kill jail guards).

This won’t end well for him, and I also hope he doesn’t take others with him.

Makes you wonder, how happy the family would be to welcome him home. I would be afraid to have him home and I’m sure they are questioning if he’s innocent or guilty themselves.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think it’s very important to understand that if he is found not guilty by a jury of his peers who have spent nearly a month viewing all of this evidence in person then that means he’s not guilty, <modsnip: WS does NOT condone threats of any kind. If there are such posts, Report them !!>.. In no way was the states case a slam dunk and every lawyer I’ve seen talk about this case other than Kevin from TMS agrees that the state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, which is their burden.

JMO

Controversy and taking the "rebel" side gets clicks. My opinion only.

jmo

 

[angelainwi]

Makes you wonder, how happy the family would be to welcome him home. I would be afraid to have him home and I’m sure they are questioning if he’s innocent or guilty themselves.

If he were my husband, he would not be coming home to me

 

[KentuckyMama]

I thought the reason was his repeated threats of harming himself? MOO

And he was put in protective custody due to the nature of the crimes. They had to keep him alive until trial. They weren't paid to keep him happy.

 

[Arkay]

Agree. Great point.

It isn't just about transparency (even if it ought to be) -- it's also about the power of for-profit influencers who can peddle alternative facts and be ambassadors for any number of narratives, however absurd. We know the power of disinformation to shift minds and distort critical truths -- even on a national scale.

You need no journalistic, legal or forensic training for these occupations (though some of course have it), just the ability to find and retain followers. And if you're wrong? Who cares? Nothing depends on it, and you're not liable for anything, as a "content creator." As we know it can pay just as well, or better, to be wrong as it does to be right.

Fortunately in this case I think we've got a strong jury. But the story may not end with their verdict.

My sentiments exactly.

These YouTubers are not trained journalists. Journalism is a profession, with rules and guidelines.

YouTubers are untrained people who have access to the Internet.
It helps if they are good-looking.

I don’t even follow the podcasters who may be more sentient than YouTubers, but IMO are still untrained people spouting whatever they wish in order to attract followers.

Of course actual journalists are trying to make a profit for their newspapers or news channels, but they have journalistic guidelines to which they must adhere.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

What’s the general consensus regarding the elevation change from the Apple Health data? I thought the Defense scored a huge point when they noted out that the distance from the bridge to the river is 60’ but the data only showed an elevation change of 20’ (which is roughly the distance from the bridge to the driveway). MOO

Elevation and distance are not the same thing. Imagine a person stepping off the edge of a cliff. He may as a result have only traveled inches in distance, but hundreds of feet in elevation.

 

[Arkay]

Agree. Great point.

It isn't just about transparency (even if it ought to be) -- it's also about the power of for-profit influencers who can peddle alternative facts and be ambassadors for any number of narratives, however absurd. We know the power of disinformation to shift minds and distort critical truths -- even on a national scale.

You need no journalistic, legal or forensic training for these occupations (though some of course have it), just the ability to find and retain followers. And if you're wrong? Who cares? Nothing depends on it, and you're not liable for anything, as a "content creator." As we know it can pay just as well, or better, to be wrong as it does to be right.

Fortunately in this case I think we've got a strong jury. But the story may not end with their verdict.

My sentiments exactly.

These YouTubers are not trained journalists. Journalism is a profession, with rules and guidelines.

YouTubers are untrained people who have access to the Internet.
It helps if they are good-looking.

I don’t even follow the podcasters who may be more sentient than YouTubers, but IMO are still untrained people spouting whatever they wish in order to attract followers.

Of course actual journalists are trying to make a profit for their newspapers or news channels, but they have journalistic guidelines to which they must adhere.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Makes you wonder, how happy the family would be to welcome him home. I would be afraid to have him home and I’m sure they are questioning if he’s innocent or guilty themselves.

He said in a police interview, that his friends think he did it and he was mad.