GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[INfisherman]

Notice who she noticed:

02/18/2025 Order Issued Defendant's Motion to Correct Abstract of Judgment, filed January 20, 2025, reviewed and denied without hearing. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Uliana, Stacy R Noticed: Leeman, Mark Kelly Order Signed: 02/14/2025​

02/18/2025 Order Issued The Court, having received Defendant's, Richard Allen, Verified Motion to Correct Errors filed January 20, 2025, the State's Response to Motion to Correct Error, filed February 4, 2025, and the Defendant's Verified Motion to Strike the State's Response to Motion to Correct Error, filed February 14, 2025, now denies Defendant's, Richard Allen, Verified Motion to Correct Error and further denies the Defendant's Verified Motion to Strike the State's Response to Motion to Correct Error without hearing. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Uliana, Stacy R Noticed: Leeman, Mark Kelly Order Signed: 02/14/2025​

Look at the actual documents posted above.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Baldwin raced on to Motta's show to discuss the new bombshell developments.

I guess this is just what D attorneys do these days? How does this help his client exactly?

I won't click on this link but I think it's beyond hilarious that it talks about Andrew Baldwin being back. HAHA

These people have really gone so far around the bend of reasonableness at this point, you can just simply shake your head and pity their lack of self awareness. It's still a game to them and they refuse to see how badly they lost.

Noticeably Baldwin seems to be taking the lead and Rozzi seems to be subtly trying to distance. I think Judge Gull really hurt AB's wittle feelings. Quick, somebody call him a Ding Dong in endearing terms and maybe he'll feel better and go away.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Look at the actual documents posted above.
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I don't have what you have. Is there a link?
I wonder why that wasn't in the CCS.

 

[somequestions]

So... I'm still struggling with this. Richard Allen still can't get off that bridge. Richard Allen has still seen the 4 girls who all saw him. He's still on platform One when Betsy Blair sees him. BB then sees libby and Abby. Richard Allen somehow gets off the platform, doesn't see the two girls and also misses Ron Logan and Keegan Kline cross the bridge, approach the girls, force them down the hill. Oh and they also planted his bullet between the girls.

He's super unlucky..

The 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams gets Richard Allen off the bridge in my opinion. We have no eyewitness testimony he ever went back onto the bridge except for a grainy 2:13pm video taken from Liberty Germans cell phone of someone who I cannot say for sure is Richard Allen. It might be him. I agree that the unspent cartridge found between the girls is definitely the best piece of evidence in this case. If you can trust the science, it places Richard Allen at the scene of the crime. I would agree that would be all you need to find him guilty.

We really have no idea how long it took Abby and Libby to get to the Monon High Bridge after Libby's sister dropped them off. If Libby's sister drove away at 1:49pm and the girls walked directly to the bridge that would put them there at around 1:55pm. What were the girls doing between 1:55 and 2:05pm? Due to the 2:05pm picture post by Liberty German of the entire length of the bridge Richard Allen was probably off it and out of sight at that time. How do we know this? If he had seen Liberty German take that picture of the entire length of the bridge at around 2:05pm, he would have realized she had a cell phone. Then there is the 2:07pm picture post of Abigail Williams with no one on the bridge platforms in the background of the picture.

It could be as much as a 3-12 minute gap that Richard Allen left the Monon High Bridge. Was he deciding what to do? Maybe there is the possibility Richard Allen was going to go ahead with the crime whether they had a cell phone or not and seeing a cell phone did not matter? BB could see a person on the Monon High Bridge from a distance away so I keep wondering how Richard Allen was not observing the girls from that distance to be able to see if they had a cell phone?

The closest I can come to a conclusion in this case is that it would appear based on the eyewitness locations of Richard Allen's placement on the trail, the unspent cartridge toolmark evidence, and the van confession that he is probably the murderer. Maybe Richard Allen's 2017 cell phone will be found and it can at least be determined where it was during the murders? A jury found him guilty so they must not have needed any more evidence. The case is over, but hopefully someday the trial exhibits are released so the public can see the evidence.

 

[INfisherman]

I don't have what you have. Is there a link?
I wonder why that wasn't in the CCS.

It was posted by @Vern right above your post (a few posts before yours). Link below should take you to it (I hope):

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GUILTY - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

 

[Vern]

I don't have what you have. Is there a link?
I wonder why that wasn't in the CCS.

It's in the CCS.

I posted the docs a couple posts ago. I got them from the CCS doc filings.

 

[Vern]

...

The closest I can come to a conclusion in this case is that it would appear based on the eyewitness locations of Richard Allen's placement on the trail, the unspent cartridge toolmark evidence, and the van confession that he is probably the murderer. Maybe Richard Allen's 2017 cell phone will be found and it can at least be determined where it was during the murders? A jury found him guilty so they must not have needed any more evidence. The case is over, but hopefully someday the trial exhibits are released so the public can see the evidence.

RS&BBM,

The closest that I can come to a conclusion on this case is that the Jury heard and saw all the relevant evidence and found RA guilty.

Done deal. Justice has been served.

They did their job and I'm not going to doubt them and their findings any further. Time & energy is often better spent.

 

[Jade]

The 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams gets Richard Allen off the bridge in my opinion. We have no eyewitness testimony he ever went back onto the bridge except for a grainy 2:13pm video taken from Liberty Germans cell phone of someone who I cannot say for sure is Richard Allen. It might be him. I agree that the unspent cartridge found between the girls is definitely the best piece of evidence in this case. If you can trust the science, it places Richard Allen at the scene of the crime. I would agree that would be all you need to find him guilty.

We really have no idea how long it took Abby and Libby to get to the Monon High Bridge after Libby's sister dropped them off. If Libby's sister drove away at 1:49pm and the girls walked directly to the bridge that would put them there at around 1:55pm. What were the girls doing between 1:55 and 2:05pm? Due to the 2:05pm picture post by Liberty German of the entire length of the bridge Richard Allen was probably off it and out of sight at that time. How do we know this? If he had seen Liberty German take that picture of the entire length of the bridge at around 2:05pm, he would have realized she had a cell phone. Then there is the 2:07pm picture post of Abigail Williams with no one on the bridge platforms in the background of the picture.

It could be as much as a 3-12 minute gap that Richard Allen left the Monon High Bridge. Was he deciding what to do? Maybe there is the possibility Richard Allen was going to go ahead with the crime whether they had a cell phone or not and seeing a cell phone did not matter? BB could see a person on the Monon High Bridge from a distance away so I keep wondering how Richard Allen was not observing the girls from that distance to be able to see if they had a cell phone?

The closest I can come to a conclusion in this case is that it would appear based on the eyewitness locations of Richard Allen's placement on the trail, the unspent cartridge toolmark evidence, and the van confession that he is probably the murderer. Maybe Richard Allen's 2017 cell phone will be found and it can at least be determined where it was during the murders? A jury found him guilty so they must not have needed any more evidence. The case is over, but hopefully someday the trial exhibits are released so the public can see the evidence.

I know you know but first off, to get it over with, Richard Allen said repeatedly he killed Abby and Libby and knew the details that corroborated his confessions.


It seems basing getting RA off the bridge connected to his not doing something about the phone?

I believe the phone not being detected has more to do with Libby’s heroism than RA's stupidity although that helped.

RA said he drank 3 beers but since he tries to minimize for looks there could have been more.

Imo, RA didn’t care if they had a phone or not because he planned to have them at gunpoint immediately and then they weren’t going to be alive to tell a tale.

He could have thought he would chuck it into the creek if he saw one being carried openly, if he thought at all.

Did you happen to see Megnut's posts of TMS discussing seeing the BG video?

39 m. TMS begins discussing the video.

When is first introduced, it's played all the way through.

They describe seeing gravel and planks that are obviously the bridge.
The phone goes up and you see Abby.
Then it goes upside down, Abby running to the end.
KG saw BG, AC did not.
KG: BG is there, very small. A very small part of the image, not landscape, but portrait.

Saw the video twice.

What they heard:

Libby comments that the trail ends here, then the word gun. AC: I definitely heard the word gun. Both KG and AC heard Abby say, "(he's) freaking me out". Running. Frightened tone, high pitched.

Then "Guys"... pause... metallic sound and then "DTH".

Abby says huh

Video ends

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Four: The Video

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all imo

 

[INfisherman]

The 2:07pm picture of Abigail Williams gets Richard Allen off the bridge in my opinion. We have no eyewitness testimony he ever went back onto the bridge except for a grainy 2:13pm video taken from Liberty Germans cell phone of someone who I cannot say for sure is Richard Allen. It might be him. I agree that the unspent cartridge found between the girls is definitely the best piece of evidence in this case. If you can trust the science, it places Richard Allen at the scene of the crime. I would agree that would be all you need to find him guilty.

We really have no idea how long it took Abby and Libby to get to the Monon High Bridge after Libby's sister dropped them off. If Libby's sister drove away at 1:49pm and the girls walked directly to the bridge that would put them there at around 1:55pm. What were the girls doing between 1:55 and 2:05pm? Due to the 2:05pm picture post by Liberty German of the entire length of the bridge Richard Allen was probably off it and out of sight at that time. How do we know this? If he had seen Liberty German take that picture of the entire length of the bridge at around 2:05pm, he would have realized she had a cell phone. Then there is the 2:07pm picture post of Abigail Williams with no one on the bridge platforms in the background of the picture.

It could be as much as a 3-12 minute gap that Richard Allen left the Monon High Bridge. Was he deciding what to do? Maybe there is the possibility Richard Allen was going to go ahead with the crime whether they had a cell phone or not and seeing a cell phone did not matter? BB could see a person on the Monon High Bridge from a distance away so I keep wondering how Richard Allen was not observing the girls from that distance to be able to see if they had a cell phone?

The closest I can come to a conclusion in this case is that it would appear based on the eyewitness locations of Richard Allen's placement on the trail, the unspent cartridge toolmark evidence, and the van confession that he is probably the murderer. Maybe Richard Allen's 2017 cell phone will be found and it can at least be determined where it was during the murders? A jury found him guilty so they must not have needed any more evidence. The case is over, but hopefully someday the trial exhibits are released so the public can see the evidence.

I believe the animation shown by GH is put together according to the timeline, at least up to the point the girls are filming RA. Maybe this will paint a clearer picture. It’s the shortest video I could find quickly. I feel this gives the viewer a good idea of who was where during the timeline given by the state & using other evidence from people there that day. I’m not necessarily condoning the dialog going along with the animated timeline.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

It's in the CCS.

I posted the docs a couple posts ago. I got them from the CCS doc filings.

Thanks. I was talking to mrjitty and missed that.

 

[Emma Peel]

in fairness, there was a motion for transport order for Ricci. It may have fallen through with the ruling against a third-party defense.

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yes. that's my memory too. jmo.

 

[Emma Peel]

Tick Tock says the Appellate Clock.

Will check back in 4-5 months. Everyone be well!


jmho

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I haven't listened; what does he say?

He's probably just feeling the need to share his side since the long lineup of LE giving interviews with TMS?

MOO

Yes!
The prosecution and LE are talking now! After adhering for two years to the judge’s gag order and making zero attempts to circumvent that order or leak information and pictures of murdered precious children, they are talking!
So what. Boohoo for Baldwin and his lowest of the low defense team. Now they are sad and feel put upon because they aren’t the only ones talking. Cry me a river.
They had their chance. They proved themselves to be exceptionally bad lawyers. Nothing they did was in the best interest of their client. Now they want a do over.
Their client is guilty. Step out of the way and let the actual appeals attorneys do their thing.
This is really beyond the pale at this point. RA brought so much pain to these families and this community and his defense team multiplied that pain by thousands. At least RA has been convicted and justice and punishment are being meted out for what he did. It is a travesty that there is no punishment for this defense team.

My honest to gosh opinion

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Over the weekend, FOX59/CBS4 reporter Max Lewis received a letter from Davis, who claimed he sent multiple letters to Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland about Logan’s confession that had been ignored. Davis wrote that he’s afraid the state convicted an innocent man.

The defense filed another salvo, seeking to strike the state’s response and accusing McLeland of misconduct—even suggesting the prosecutor should be held in criminal contempt for releasing photos of Libby German’s iPhone 6s in his response to the defense’s motion.

The defense filed a motion seeking to preserve all evidence related to Ricci Davis. But in Gull’s denial of this motion, the judge stated the defendant cited no authority or case law to support the motion while adding the court will maintain evidence exhibits in accordance with Trial and Appellate Rules.

Delphi murders: Gull rules against defense motions seeking to reexamine Richard Allen’s conviction

DELPHI, Ind. — Special Judge Fran Gull denied recent motions from Richard Allen’s attorneys seeking to reexamine his conviction last year in the Delphi murders case. In an order dated Feb. 14…

www.wane.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

The Defence subpoenaed Ricci Davis. Gull even GRANTED the Motion To Transport him to trial. Defence failed to call him.

And there we have it. ^
You were right @mrjitty (why did I doubt you? )

So the bombshell is simply.. a dud.

jmo

 

[INfisherman]

And there we have it. ^
You were right @mrjitty (why did I doubt you? )

So the bombshell is simply.. a dud.

jmo

As it should be if a defense lawyer continually pulls from discovery provided by the state & the defense tries to paint it as something as never seen before. All show for the court of public opinion & to continue to feed their crowd sources.

I came here just prior to the start of the trials - so you & many others would know more than me about this: did the defense really bring anything new forward, other than subjects about which the state already knew? Think about that…



MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

BB could see a person on the Monon High Bridge from a distance away so I keep wondering how Richard Allen was not observing the girls from that distance to be able to see if they had a cell phone?

By his own admission, Richard Allen was under the influence of alcohol, and he saw Abby and Libby walking on the trail and followed them. He said he did “something” with his gun and that’s when the bullet fell out. He ordered the girls “down the hill” with the intent to rape them.

He wasn’t in detailed observation mode. He didn’t notice their phone, or just didn’t care. He saw two teen girls and decided to enact fear and violence on them.

After years of dissecting the case, and the killer’s motivations, it turned out to be exactly what Carter said. “It’s about power to you.”

Two budding young women destroyed by a male predator.
Not complicated.
Just… sad.

jmo

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-just-want-to-sign-my-confession-richard-allen-gives-his-account-of-delphi-murders-to-prison-psychologist/

 

[FrostedGlass]

Tick Tock says the Appellate Clock.

Will check back in 4-5 months. Everyone be well!


jmho

Hopefully you'll be back sooner than that but thankfully, IMO, this will be end of this judge's rulings. It will be highly interesting to see what the appellate attorneys come up with.

 

[girlhasnoname]

And there we have it. ^
You were right @mrjitty (why did I doubt you? )

So the bombshell is simply.. a dud.

jmo

Yes, another bombshell nothingburger as usual from the Defense. At least they're consistent in that.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I believe the animation shown by GH is put together according to the timeline, at least up to the point the girls are filming RA. Maybe this will paint a clearer picture. It’s the shortest video I could find quickly. I feel this gives the viewer a good idea of who was where during the timeline given by the state & using other evidence from people there that day. I’m not necessarily condoning the dialog going along with the animated timeline.

MOO

Yes, and if that photo comparison isn''t RA=BG=Killer's frame and body shape then NOTHING is going to convince the diehard proAllen supporters. Not even a jury who found him guilty.

JMO