GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[girlhasnoname]

Thanks. I was talking to mrjitty and missed that.

Lots of people here to help supply you with the documents you requested. I think that is super helpful on a message board.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Tick Tock says the Appellate Clock.

Will check back in 4-5 months. Everyone be well!


jmho

Sure hope RA is getting comfy in his new digs. I see the next appellate issue to the Indiana Board going the same way, and each one after that. He's a convicted child murderer, life in prison is not going to be easy for him. At least he is able to live another day unlike Abby & Libby.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Yes, and if that photo comparison isn''t RA=BG=Killer's frame and body shape then NOTHING is going to convince the diehard proAllen supporters. Not even a jury who found him guilty.

JMO

Some do not wish to see it. It doesn’t matter when the evidence gets released, there will still be doubters & auras of a conspiracy. Many feel there wasn’t enough evidence or the SE end of the bridge wasn’t "covered" with any evidence of what was going on at that end. Not really our problem. I feel they got the right person.

I’m sure the video will be torn apart & someone will question the authenticity - that’s already being done with the images.

JMO

Thanks. I was talking to mrjitty and missed that.

BTW, Sorry if I came across as crass when I said to look at the original docs, that wasn’t the intent at all. Was just posting hurriedly. Apologies if taken as such.

Sure hope RA is getting comfy in his new digs. I see the next appellate issue to the Indiana Board going the same way, and each one after that. He's a convicted child murderer, life in prison is not going to be easy for him. At least he is able to live another day unlike Abby & Libby.

JMO

He’s not going to enjoy Pendleton IMO. That’s a rough one, from my understanding.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Some do not wish to see it. It doesn’t matter when the evidence gets released, there will still be doubters & auras of a conspiracy. Many feel there wasn’t enough evidence or the SE end of the bridge wasn’t "covered" with any evidence of what was going on at that end. Not really our problem. I feel they got the right person.

I’m sure the video will be torn apart & someone will question the authenticity - that’s already being done with the images.

It's unlike anything I've ever seen.

JMO


BTW, Sorry if I came across as crass when I said to look at the original docs, that wasn’t the intent at all. Was just posting hurriedly. Apologies if taken as such.

You have always been more than helpful INfisherman. I appreciate your posts and the documents you attach, especially for those who don't want to read anything that isn't proAllen. Thank you.

He’s not going to enjoy Pendleton IMO. That’s a rough one, from my understanding.

Good, that makes my day. Again, a convicted double child murderer shouldn't have a cake walk. During the assessment in Westville before he assigned a permanent incarceration facility much is taken into account. RA's frequent bursts of anger and the seriousness of his crime plays a part in where he is assigned.

He's a dangerous, evil little man whom a jury of his peers found guilty. Why are his rights more important than those of the two innocent children he murdered? They're not in my opinion, and I hope he faces the consequences of his actions each and every day that he gets to wake up and be alive. Abby & Libby were not afforded that luxury.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

And there we have it. ^
You were right @mrjitty (why did I doubt you? )

So the bombshell is simply.. a dud.

jmo

I've noticed Baldwin has a habit of claiming big evidence in his motions which he never brings to Court - most spectacularly was the 'confessions' of the alt to his sister which he went on about for many months and then was never led at the 3 day hearing. It was just quietly dropped.

Then the defence surrogates just update to the new theory without ever reconciling. They still go on about the sister even though the witness never testified.

MOO

 

[Mirabel091]

I've noticed Baldwin has a habit of claiming big evidence in his motions which he never brings to Court - most spectacularly was the 'confessions' of the alt to his sister which he went on about for many months and then was never led at the 3 day hearing. It was just quietly dropped.

Then the defence surrogates just update to the new theory without ever reconciling. They still go on about the sister even though the witness never testified.

MOO

And because this "big evidence" never gets aired/debunked in court, it feeds the conspiracy theorists & those who think the State has something to hide by not addressing it. When it's actually the Defence who chose not to bring it into a venue they could.

 

[Megnut]

Part 1 covers his background and experience as a crime scene inspector.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Brian Olehy: Part One

Brian Olehy was one of the Indiana State Police crime scene investigators who worked on the Delphi murders case. He spoke with us about his work on the case....

murdersheetpodcast.com

Part 2 gets to Delphi at 15m.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Brian Olehy: Part Two

Brian Olehy, one of the Indiana State Police crime scene investigators who worked on the Delphi murders case, spoke with us about his work at the scene....

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Megnut]

15m

Arrived at 12:50, began assembling his crime scene team en route. Crime scene tape was going up, crime scene log set up, parked by cemetery. Items recovered from water.

Challenges of outdoors, steep a ravine. Not very accessible, lot of ground debris. Remote, rural.

Sees crime scenes as "work to be done" and just processes each one methodically.

Didn't find it surprising there wasn't suspect DNA. Outdoors, air moving, all the blood, wearing gloves all limit DNA transfer/recovery. No from the suspect but no other suspect DNA either.

23 m "The absence of evidence isn't evidence of innocence."

Evidence of moving because of crime scene, her wrist would be a good source for DNA but not if the offender wore gloves.

No evidence at the crime scene to support leaving and returning.

26 m. They did not do a body temp because they didn't want to disturb potential evidence of SA.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Brian Olehy: Part Two

Brian Olehy, one of the Indiana State Police crime scene investigators who worked on the Delphi murders case, spoke with us about his work at the scene....

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Megnut]

26 m

Time of death isn't ever really exact.

Determined by a collection of information.

Scene was diagrams by hand and electronically (Lidar).

Sticks and leaves were soft and punky, porous, not ideal for DNA collection. Moldy, flaky.

Felt that the best DNA, if there was any to be found, they felt would be on the bodies.

Crime scene was secured overnight. The leaves nearest the bodies were analyzed.

Feels confident they didn't leave evidence behind.

The phone was the one of the greatest piece of evidence. Where it was found, under a body, under some leaves, he saw the phone.

Was surprised the suspect didn't take it "but maybe he didn't know about it, it's something only RA would know."

36 m. Discusses collection of the cartridge and why they didn't want to handle it excessively, photograph in situ and bag it so it could be analyzed.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Brian Olehy: Part Two

Brian Olehy, one of the Indiana State Police crime scene investigators who worked on the Delphi murders case, spoke with us about his work at the scene....

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Megnut]

38 m discussion of working with prosecution. Observations on defense strategy, improper question format, objections from prosecution disrupted defense flow.

Used to testifying in trials, used to cross examination, doesn't take it personally. Respects the process.

Bringing Cicero in to review only validated their work.

Considers themselves finders of fact. Seeking the truth.

47 m. Proud of the work they did, sorry for the families it took so long to get justice.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Brian Olehy: Part Two

Brian Olehy, one of the Indiana State Police crime scene investigators who worked on the Delphi murders case, spoke with us about his work at the scene....

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[mrjitty]

And because this "big evidence" never gets aired/debunked in court, it feeds the conspiracy theorists & those who think the State has something to hide by not addressing it. When it's actually the Defence who chose not to bring it into a venue they could.

Right. The geofence is a great example of this. A huge conspiracy itemised in Frank's III, but as far as I can see, they never made these arguments in the hearing.

Because of course they knew who these 3 witnesses were and they didn't see anything.

But then in social media land - Geofence is supposedly a big issue for appeal

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Right. The geofence is a great example of this. A huge conspiracy itemised in Frank's III, but as far as I can see, they never made these arguments in the hearing.

Because of course they knew who these 3 witnesses were and they didn't see anything.

But then in social media land - Geofence is supposedly a big issue for appeal

MOO

Evidently people on SM don’t understand what’s right in the state’s response regarding the geofencing & potential inaccuracies depending upon the type of geolocation being used. From my understanding those phones could have been up to 5000m off from actual location. Had he not suppressed that info the defense surely would’ve used it to potentially show RAs phone wasn’t showing up or was somewhere else; in other words more of the same misuse of information to paint a different picture. I tend to believe the phone was never with RA & if it was, it was turned off.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

And because this "big evidence" never gets aired/debunked in court, it feeds the conspiracy theorists & those who think the State has something to hide by not addressing it. When it's actually the Defence who chose not to bring it into a venue they could.

Even when it is, JG is ruling unfairly & another part of the conspiracy in many of those same eyes.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Evidently people on SM don’t understand what’s right in the state’s response regarding the geofencing & potential inaccuracies depending upon the type of geolocation being used. From my understanding those phones could have been up to 5000m off from actual location. Had he not suppressed that info the defense surely would’ve used it to potentially show RAs phone wasn’t showing up or was somewhere else; in other words more of the same misuse of information to paint a different picture. I tend to believe the phone was never with RA & if it was, it was turned off.

MOO

we also know who some of the phones belonged to. eg the young couple on the trail after the victims. they didn’t see anything. there was no need for geofence as those witnesses already said they were on the trail.

 

[Megnut]

Right. The geofence is a great example of this. A huge conspiracy itemised in Frank's III, but as far as I can see, they never made these arguments in the hearing.

Because of course they knew who these 3 witnesses were and they didn't see anything.

But then in social media land - Geofence is supposedly a big issue for appeal

MOO

And how many of those were there -- the mystery DNA that turned out to be female, familial DNA, logically belonging to the sister who loaned the sweatshirt. No conspiracy.

Didn't have a time of death relative to body temperature. Scandalous. Except that, with two murdered little girls who had been forced to undress where the suspicion of a sexually- motivated crime was high, they opted to forego the invasive procedure for taking body temperature in order to preserve potential evidence. No conspiracy.

The 2:07 photo not being on Libby's phone. No conspiracy. It's a function of the Snapchat app. No conspiracy.

Even the fact that RA wasn't visible in the 2:07 photo finds explanation. Two fold. RA himself explains that he followed the girls. BB's testimony puts RA and the girls on a trajectory to intersect (RA said he left the bridge, to sit on a bench so even he admits to movement and directionality). To follow them, he has to get behind them. I suspect he hears them coming and either, they waited for him to leave the bridge or they passed him near the start of the bridge. I suspect it was a creepy encounter. It's also corroborated IMO by the video itself. When Libby started filming at 2:13, RA was small, upside down and at a distance. He gave them time to cross IMO so that he could overtake them near the end of the bridge and force them off it. No conspiracy. Just terror.

The geofencing, as @mrjitty just mentioned and the mystery phones. No mystery. Other hikers. Who incidentally didn't encounter RA or the girls. Not on the bridge, not on a bench. Because RA moved them to a more private location to continue his assault. No conspiracy. Just evil.

No redundant photos of the cartridge. Why would there be? Detectives followed procedure. And were also mindful of the potential value of the evidence. The less is handled the better for evidence collection. No conspiracy. No shoddy police work, exemplary police work.

The phone. Moved to another location, then brought back. Earbuds. Little screws. Zero supporting evidence. Phone found under some leaves. Under a victim's body. Left overnight under damp dirty conditions. Not ideal for temperamental electronics. No corroborating phone data to show any sort of user inputted action. Phone got water or debris in its ear. No conspiracy.

RA's initial hearing, the secret one where his attorney wasn't there. Complete nonsense. He had A consultation with an attorney who EXPLICITLY was not his attorney of record and representation.

The confessions. Brought on by psychosis and POW conditions. Not true. To either. No conspiracy.

130 years. No conspiracy, just justice.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

And how many of those were there -- the mystery DNA that turned out to be female, familial DNA, logically belonging to the sister who loaned the sweatshirt. No conspiracy.

Didn't have a time of death relative to body temperature. Scandalous. Except that, with two murdered little girls who had been forced to undress where the suspicion of a sexually- motivated crime was high, they opted to forego the invasive procedure for taking body temperature in order to preserve potential evidence. No conspiracy.

The 2:07 photo not being on Libby's phone. No conspiracy. It's a function of the Snapchat app. No conspiracy.

Even the fact that RA wasn't visible in the 2:07 photo finds explanation. Two fold. RA himself explains that he followed the girls. BB's testimony puts RA and the girls on a trajectory to intersect (RA said he left the bridge, to sit on a bench so even he admits to movement and directionality). To follow them, he has to get behind them. I suspect he hears them coming and either, they waited for him to leave the bridge or they passed him near the start of the bridge. I suspect it was a creepy encounter. It's also corroborated IMO by the video itself. When Libby started filming at 2:13, RA was small, upside down and at a distance. He gave them time to cross IMO so that he could overtake them near the end of the bridge and force them off it. No conspiracy. Just terror.

The geofencing, as @mrjitty just mentioned and the mystery phones. No mystery. Other hikers. Who incidentally didn't encounter RA or the girls. Not on the bridge, not on a bench. Because RA moved them to a more private location to continue his assault. No conspiracy. Just evil.

No redundant photos of the cartridge. Why would there be? Detectives followed procedure. And were also mindful of the potential value of the evidence. The less is handled the better for evidence collection. No conspiracy. No shoddy police work, exemplary police work.

The phone. Moved to another location, then brought back. Earbuds. Little screws. Zero supporting evidence. Phone found under some leaves. Under a victim's body. Left overnight under damp dirty conditions. Not ideal for temperamental electronics. No corroborating phone data to show any sort of user inputted action. Phone got water or debris in its ear. No conspiracy.

RA's initial hearing, the secret one where his attorney wasn't there. Complete nonsense. He had A consultation with an attorney who EXPLICITLY was not his attorney of record and representation.

The confessions. Brought on by psychosis and POW conditions. Not true. To either. No conspiracy.

130 years. No conspiracy, just justice.

JMO

Frustrating as hell isn’t it?

This latest tale with RD just is so ignorant. Why on earth would he only send these 7-8 letters to just the prosecutor? Why not the defense as well? On top of that, AB claims the whole RD thing "slipped through the cracks" after the 2024 meeting as he was working on his Odinism masterpiece (per DD latest interview - my paraphrasing except the quoted portion). To boot, RD never once bothers to contact AB for the remainder of 2024? Really? Sorry, just not buying what’s being unloaded into the fan by AB’s manure spreaders.

MOO

 

[Knitty]

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