What's kind of wild, is that we have another recent case to compare in regard to a golden doodle.I have 2 golden doodles myself and they are both attention seekers whether someone they’re familiar with comes over or a complete stranger. Honestly, some would think they’ve never been loved a day in their life, but it’s quite opposite, ha! That being said, I do know if someone did something to me and they were shut in a room or shut off from going in a room that I was in, then they would definitely bark like crazy and try to scratch their way out of the room they were shut in or scratch on the door/floor that I was behind to try and get it open and to me. And they would do it until they got out or in. Unfortunately, I’ve come home to one accidentally being shut in a room and the floor being torn up like he was digging through dirt trying to get out and I could hear him barking from outside as soon as I got out of my car. They will both be 8 this year and still hate being prevented from leaving a space (locked in a room) or from going in a space that my son or I are in but we wouldn’t let them in for whatever reason. Maybe their doodle was with the littles the whole time and that’s why he didn’t bark when the cop came the first time.
How horrific for those poor kids, what a brutal crime. No gun pretty much guarantees this isn't a M/S. A family member is speaking out on social media with the opinion the attack was targeted.
Nine months prior there was a 911 call from a woman( probably the wife) at the residence but she refused any help saying she was ok. I hadn’t heard that thr was no weapon found until tonight so I guess that rules out murder/suicide theory that was posted earlier by someone. Going to have to b very delicate if the police r allowed to talk to the 4 year old to get any info.Considering possible motives for a targeted attack.
Money/valuables - none taken? Might a dentist have drugs at home?
Revenge - disgruntled patient? Bad debt?
Threat - business deal in jeopardy, a crime might be exposed?
Jealousy - unknown, but seemingly happy couple
Power - acquaintance or rival feels inadequate?
2:45am. I have. hard time believing that they were partying that late.I am close to a woman who left an abusive marriage after her husband pointed a weapon at her and her child and threatened to kill both of them. Two days after she and her child moved out of their residence, I attempted to check in with her by phone. When there was no answer after 2 tries, I immediately called several numbers belonging to the owners of the home where they were staying. When nobody answered any of those calls, I became extremely concerned and left a message saying that if I did not hear from someone in 10 minutes, I would have no choice but to call 911 and ask that police go to the house (I was too far away to go myself in that moment). Under the terrifying circumstances (past DV, a restraining order, etc.), I was totally frantic at the thought that the husband could have gone there to harm his wife, the child, or the people who were sheltering them. Thankfully I did receive a call back before I had to do that--but I can certainly understand why the staff at the dental office may have called police so quickly and what they might have been thinking when they requested that welfare check. I think it's very plausible that one or more coworkers had at least some awareness of a potentially dangerous situation involving members of this family and felt just as frantic and fearful as I did when I couldn't make contact with my loved ones. This is my perspective only, of course!
Well past midnight. 2:45am911 can track the phone number
Doesn't rule out the murder-suicide theory if the weapon was taken by a "well-wisher" who wanted to shelter the family and kids from the shame of such a thing. Remember that some friends and co-workers arrived at the scene before LE did. They could have compromised the crime scene with no evil intent - just misguided good intent.Nine months prior there was a 911 call from a woman( probably the wife) at the residence but she refused any help saying she was ok. I hadn’t heard that thr was no weapon found until tonight so I guess that rules out murder/suicide theory that was posted earlier by someone. Going to have to b very delicate if the police r allowed to talk to the 4 year old to get any info.
I've found documented cases where people have inadvertently altered a crime scene, but I can find no case where someone has intentionally removed a weapon. That's just not how people behave, and if you listen to the 911 call, it's clear that the caller was a mess. Such a mess in fact that he was unwilling to get too close to ST's body, and doesn't appear to have seen the body of his wife.Doesn't rule out the murder-suicide theory if the weapon was taken by a "well-wisher" who wanted to shelter the family and kids from the shame of such a thing. Remember that some friends and co-workers arrived at the scene before LE did. They could have compromised the crime scene with no evil intent - just misguided good intent.
What about gunshot residue? You don’t think the autopsies excluded this possibility?Doesn't rule out the murder-suicide theory if the weapon was taken by a "well-wisher" who wanted to shelter the family and kids from the shame of such a thing. Remember that some friends and co-workers arrived at the scene before LE did. They could have compromised the crime scene with no evil intent - just misguided good intent.
That’s definitely interesting and goes to show that mine may act differently than I would think they would if something bad happened to me and they sensed it.What's kind of wild, is that we have another recent case to compare in regard to a golden doodle.
That's the same dog that one of the Idaho 4 victims owned.
In that one, the dog did apparently bark towards the end of the murders (perhaps as Kohbeger was leaving). It continued on for about 45 minutes before apparently stopping. It never entered any of the rooms where the victims were found, and was ultimately located in its owners open bedroom. Reports said that the dog made no sounds when police arrived, and eventually hid from them.
One key difference there is that the dog had access to the outside the entire time, thanks to the door that Kohberger entered.
On the recently released audio of the police dispatcher you can hear the talk of asking for additional cars to be sent to the scene to separate the witnesses.I've found documented cases where people have inadvertently altered a crime scene, but I can find no case where someone has intentionally removed a weapon. That's just not how people behave, and if you listen to the 911 call, it's clear that the caller was a mess. Such a mess in fact that he was unwilling to get too close to ST's body, and doesn't appear to have seen the body of his wife.
In some alternate universe where that did happen, this person would have almost certainly fessed up to it by now.
Just because a weapon is missing though, police don't (or aren't supposed to), immediately determine a case to be straight up murder.
There's gunshot residue, wound bullet trajectory, blood spatter, autopsy findings, and scene reconstruction.
Yeah, that's standard though. If you have the resources, you always want to separate those people so they can be questioned individually and can't be influenced by someone else.On the recently released audio of the police scanner you can hear the talk of asking for additional cars to be sent to the scene to separate the witnesses.
My line of thinking was if any of the witnesses did remove something from the crime scene it most likely would still be on their body and I can't see LE letting anyone in their vehicles w/o first searching them.Yeah, that's standard though. If you have the resources, you always want to separate those people so they can be questioned individually and can't be influenced by someone else.
LE was incredibly quick to call this a homicide and rule out m/s so they must know something beyond what was made public (ex- no gunshot residue, etc)Doesn't rule out the murder-suicide theory if the weapon was taken by a "well-wisher" who wanted to shelter the family and kids from the shame of such a thing. Remember that some friends and co-workers arrived at the scene before LE did. They could have compromised the crime scene with no evil intent - just misguided good intent.
HAHAHHA. Gotcha. I was slow on the uptake there. Yes, very good point.My line of thinking was if any of the witnesses did remove something from the crime scene it most likely would still be on their body and I can't see LE letting anyone in their vehicles w/o first searching them.
Honestly what’s most telling about this 911 call is how trusting the Tepe’s were with allowing people to stay at their home. And I think that is going to be come full circle here as well.So the brother in law has done yet another interview (of course - does he have a PR manager and agent now?) and said he knows who made the domestic dispute call and it wasn’t Monique, another woman who lived there at the time called Samantha. How would he know this and more importantly why add fuel to the fire? Especially since the female on the domestic disturbance call said she was having a verbal argument with her partner? Is he trying to make his brother in law look bad?
Why is the brother in law saying all of this? It doesn’t have to be disclosed to the public. It seems like he is trying to make Spencer look bad.Honestly what’s most telling about this 911 call is how trusting the Tepe’s were with allowing people to stay at their home. And I think that is going to be come full circle here as well.
Who stayed with Spencer and Monique around the time of the murders? Whether for a night, after a holiday party perhaps, or more long term.
That’s where the key to this is. IMO of course.
I hope this is allowed. It is from the BIL. It is their wedding video. I apologize if it has been uploaded already, I have not seen it until now. I loved it and thought to share.
Spencer and Monique Tepe Wedding
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It’s not adding fuel to the fire to clarify that the call was not made by Monique.So the brother in law has done yet another interview (of course - does he have a PR manager and agent now?) and said he knows who made the domestic dispute call and it wasn’t Monique, another woman who lived there at the time called Samantha. How would he know this and more importantly why add fuel to the fire? Especially since the female on the domestic disturbance call said she was having a verbal argument with her partner? Is he trying to make his brother in law look bad?