AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[plongi]

It was a tip off that sent them on the right path. The immunization trail was a bit off.
I will trawl and find the info on that.

Police established that Khandalyce had not had further immunization from her 18 month milestone, and there was no medical record of her from that time. That set them on the path of further enquiries, including obtaining blood information from the Guthrie test, taken when she was born, enabling them to match her DNA. I am sure that there were a lot of other female children, who had missed immunizations followed up in that time to ensure that they were alive and safe, whilst the detectives were trying to identify Khandalyce.

 

[JaneSA]

Perhaps because LE were getting close to identifying Karlie and 'someone' who no doubt came up in the investigations was worried....quick, get rid of anything that ties me to her. I cant do it myself for 'whatever reason' but you do it.

Yet still leave the 2 suitcases and birth certificate at DH's sisters place?

 

[JaneSA]

Maybe Centrelink received returned mail which had been addressed to Karlie whereever. This can often trigger cessation, or she may have been written to to attend an appointment (possibly re Khandalyce's ongoing immunizations) and failed to respond. It may even have been the extra money (wages) going into Karlie's bank account which triggered a query, and perhaps negated some of her entitlements. My thoughts only, but I think they are very feasible.

I have never received a Centrelink benefit so don't really know how they work, but I have somehow had the impression from friends that it is the client who informs Centrelink of their earnings. I don't think Centrelink has access to their client's private banking details.
Correct me if wrong please, just my impression and as I said, I don't know.

 

[Amee]

If there are any ladies in websleuths, on this thread who can elaborate on what Centrelink would be cutting Karlie off from her payment in 2011 for, I would appreciate the info. It seems careless in a way of Centrelink to do this without some confirmation of Karlie's situation (or anyones, really ) .. she is a young girl with a young child, I just wondered if Centrelink just stopped payment without any further ado, just boom, .. what would be the leadup to that? what would they have been requiring of 'Karlie', that 'Karlie, the female impersonator of ' would go without the money rather than attempt to provide what Centrelink wanted at the time?

taking into consideration that the impersonator had already been successful in prolonging the payments for years.....

Hank Jongen from Centrelink had a chat on the local radio a few weeks ago Trooper, I am trying to find a link of that convo. :sigh:
All I can find at the moment is the link below.

How Centrelink was fooled by Karlie’s impersonator
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subsc...tory-fni6uo1m-1227585916303&memtype=anonymous

 

[KG1]

I have never received a Centrelink benefit so don't really know how they work, but I have somehow had the impression from friends that it is the client who informs Centrelink of their earnings. I don't think Centrelink has access to their client's private banking details.
Correct me if wrong please, just my impression and as I said, I don't know.

With Data sharing there is a lot of liaison and sharing of information between Centrelink and ATO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

The bank account would have been Karlie's bank account as she was the purported 'sole trader' on this account (the robbed one). You will never see the bank account attached to an ABN. It is not yours or anyone else's business. Only the bank, the ATO, and Centrelink need to know (only if also on benefits). GST inactive only means that there is no GST registration attached to the ABN. Under $75,000 business turnover, it is optional as to whether an entity, including a sole trader registers for GST. Over $75,000 turnover, it is mandatory to be registered. Hope this helps.

I tried to multi-quote, but I failed. So: Trooper wanted me to check on the never active bank account and my problem is: I don't know how and therefore asked.
that account has been inactive since it's inception. check it out. = #762


To your answer: I don't think, the "robbed" bank account of Karlie is the same bank account which belongs to KP company. Therefore I assumed before, HP possibly had done transfers from Karlie's private bank account to KP company bank account. The ploy of the fraudsters/DJH would have been to have as many companies and as many bank accounts as possible, I imagine, even before Karlie's death. There has to be a reason for having x names and x companies all over Australia.

 

[plongi]

I think that maybe who ever knew of the case thought it was a safe time to do something about it. As a consequence intentional or unintentional would eventual identify the Belanglo Angel. Reunite them. DH had lost his grip on the control of this situation.

Yet still leave the 2 suitcases and birth certificate at DH's sisters place?

 

[Estelle]

Or one is in a wheelchair and the other isn't.

I have often wondered whether another woman impersonated HP by hiring a wheelchair for one or both appointments.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe Centrelink received returned mail which had been addressed to Karlie whereever. This can often trigger cessation, or she may have been written to to attend an appointment (possibly re Khandalyce's ongoing immunizations) and failed to respond. It may even have been the extra money (wages) going into Karlie's bank account which triggered a query, and perhaps negated some of her entitlements. My thoughts only, but I think they are very feasible.

Just to add ..... the ATO regularly identify people who earn a wage (through the payroll data that each employer must lodge at the end of the financial year) while at the same time collecting a Govt benefit of some type. The ATO has an audit department whose sole task is this type of data matching and investigation.

 

[inkpink]

I have often wondered whether another woman impersonated HP by hiring a wheelchair for one or both appointments.

It's entirely possible that one of the fraudsters had some sort of accident/operation that left them temporarily requiring a wheelchair.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I have often wondered whether another woman impersonated HP by hiring a wheelchair for one or both appointments.

Another woman impersonating HP impersonating Karlie?? Highly unlikely imo

 

[KG1]

I tried to multi-quote, but I failed. So: Trooper wanted me to check on the never active bank account and my problem is: I don't know how and therefore asked.
that account has been inactive since it's inception. check it out. = #762


To your answer: I don't think, the "robbed" bank account of Karlie is the same bank account which belongs to KSP company. Therefore I assumed before, HP possibly had done transfers from Karlie's private bank account to KSP company bank account. The ploy of the fraudsters/DJH would have been to have as many companies and as many bank accounts as possible, I imagine, even before Karlie's death. There has to be a reason for having x names and x companies all over Australia.

The Exploration Drilling account is not a company. The name behind KP Exploration Drilling is Karlie Jade Stevenson - individual/sole trader entity type. Therefore it is a personal bank account and likely to be Karlie's original account, attached to her ATM card. BBM

 

[KG1]

Just to add ..... the ATO regularly identify people who earn a wage (through the payroll data that each employer must lodge at the end of the financial year) while at the same time collecting a Govt benefit of some type. The ATO has an audit department whose sole task is this type of data matching and investigation.

That is perfectly correct SouthAussie. ATO match payment summaries from employers submitted by each 14 July, with the annual tax returns of those same employees. If no return submitted, checks are conducted with Centrelink - ascertains whether wage earner is a beneficiary. However if an employer is paying 'cash in hand', then there is no ability to match up. Employer won't declare the wages paid and employee won't either. So it is a tax dodge both ways. Can also easily happen if person has an ABN. Cash again, and both parties benefit and no trace anywhere. In this scenario, GST does not enter the picture.

 

[Maggie_May]

I think you're right Jane though I'm guessing they could get access if they wanted to, perhaps as a result of a tip-off or when tax returns raised an issue as ATO speaks to Centrelink speaks to... in this day and age of data-matching.

I have never received a Centrelink benefit so don't really know how they work, but I have somehow had the impression from friends that it is the client who informs Centrelink of their earnings. I don't think Centrelink has access to their client's private banking details.
Correct me if wrong please, just my impression and as I said, I don't know.

 

[Karo]

I don't think the timeline allows for HP to be any kind of carer for a 2 yo, even her own, as from what has been in the media already, it seems HP was in hospital (and rehab) from the time of the accident and for several months afterwards. There was no time for it to happen. Karlie chose not to leave Khandalyce with her family when she left home so I don't think she would leave her behind someplace else.
As to the connection between HP and DH, following the accident, I have wondered if there could be a "parental" connection.

I've been thinking about how the pin number was obtained for the card to be used. Just a hypothetical situation -

Karlie to HP - "I've got to go away again, not looking forward to the long journey with Khandalyce in the car"
HP - "leave her with me, she'll be fine and a lovely playmate for my little girl"
Karlie - OK, here's my card and pin just in case you need anything for her, thanks so much"

Sadly, she didn't come back to collect her little girl.

I'll admit to giving a friend my bank card and pin number just in case, I have two accounts, it's easy to do.

JMO

 

[BlueBayou]

I am under the impression that financial data is private. But that may well have changed in recent years.

I believe Centrelink can request copies of bank statements. If they are not provided they can stop payments.

 

[1968]

Me too.
I think it likely.

Me too, Jane. I have swivelled between thinking the perpetrators are drugged out
Snowtown copycats, to thinking Karlie stumbled into some much bigger setup, with
a few people involved who may have done this before, and who are cunning and good at working the system.
Doesnt seem to fit Hazel. I see her as more a victim of DH. I don't quite know why, just a feeling.
IMO there is another player it could fit.....Someone who cons a grandma into accepting the ownership of some drugs to get off more lightly. Someone who rings Crimestoppers and speaks to the press. Someone who knew KPS, and who seems privy to a lot of information about her and her family and who also may have had access to her mail.

It occurs to me that one of the techniques of a criminal could be to use the wheelchair as kind of disguise. I work with disabled people and they say that often people see the wheelchair and not the person.

IMO if you wanted commit a crime, and you knew there might be CCTV footage, and you wanted to frame someone else for that crime, then Hazel could be the perfect victim.

 

[JaneSA]

Me too, Jane. I have swivelled between thinking the perpetrators are drugged out
Snowtown copycats, to thinking Karlie stumbled into some much bigger setup, with
a few people involved who may have done this before, and who are cunning and good at working the system.
Doesnt seem to fit Hazel. I see her as more a victim of DH. I don't quite know why, just a feeling.
IMO there is another player it could fit.....Someone who cons a grandma into accepting the ownership of some drugs to get off more lightly. Someone who rings Crimestoppers and speaks to the press. Someone who knew KPS, and who seems privy to a lot of information about her and her family and who also may have had access to her mail.

It occurs to me that one of the techniques of a criminal could be to use the wheelchair as kind of disguise. I work with disabled people and they say that often people see the wheelchair and not the person.

IMO if you wanted commit a crime, and you knew there might be CCTV footage, and you wanted to frame someone else for that crime, then Hazel could be the perfect victim.

I think all any of us have to go on in relation to HP is our feelings.
Of course, there must be other people the police have questioned who we know nothing about. We only know what the media shows us.
The wheelchair is cunning IMO.

 

[1968]

I think all any of us have to go on in relation to HP is our feelings.
Of course, there must be other people the police have questioned who we know nothing about. We only know what the media shows us.
The wheelchair is cunning IMO.

either super dumb ( easy to identify) or super cunning.

 

[Estelle]

My theories are forever changing on this case. One minute I think HP is a cunning person who chose a wheelchair to get sympathy and maybe more benefits? instead of keeping her prosthetic leg. Then the next, I think she has been set up by DH to take the fall for the fraud but, in fact, it has been DH withdrawing the money. That is why I think that DH had another woman involved who hired a wheelchair to enter the bank/Centre Link. This woman may have looked more like Karlie too and been younger. By the way the cost per week to hire a wheelchair is $30.