GUILTY Australia - Eurydice Dixon, 22. Comedian's Rape And Killing Prompts Anger. June 2018

[Eloise]

Autism seems to be a growing concern in western societies. I raise this point because the accumulating issues that create autism contain the lack of empathy. Empathy can be seen as a weakness unless employed in underhanded ways. Isn't autism just an adaptation of capitalism and western society? Or global society?

No. Autism is a neurological condition. They're developing tests that will enable diagnosis in babies because it's present as early as the fetal period. It's not caused by bad or cold parenting (a very old and now discredited idea that caused absolute grief for parents for a long time), vaccines, or society.

I share a story about my son again. Children with autism can absolutely be taught to empathise. He's learning about how facial expressions indicate how a person is feeling, how behaviour of others affects that feeling, and ways you can tell how you are feeling and how to respond to emotions. It's harder for kids with autism but not impossible. If a person with autism grows up without being taught this stuff, then that's on the parents imo - that said, it is harder and you need the help of professionals.

 

[SheMantis]

No. Autism is a neurological condition. They're developing tests that will enable diagnosis in babies because it's present as early as the fetal period. It's not caused by bad or cold parenting (a very old and now discredited idea that caused absolute grief for parents for a long time), vaccines, or society.

I share a story about my son again. Children with autism can absolutely be taught to empathise. He's learning about how facial expressions indicate how a person is feeling, how behaviour of others affects that feeling, and ways you can tell how you are feeling and how to respond to emotions. It's harder for kids with autism but not impossible. If a person with autism grows up without being taught this stuff, then that's on the parents imo - that said, it is harder and you need the help of professionals.

Such an important clarification!

 

[SheMantis]

I do think empathy has a party to play, however we must be careful when talking about autism and empathy. The type of empathy that I think we're all concerned about is referred to as 'affective empathy', that is the feeling/emotive kind, when you can feel what someone else is experiencing, which people on the spectrum certainly experience, and often to a greater extent than neurotypical people.

Whereas people on the spectrum may have impaired 'cognitive empathy', which refers to the ability to understand someone's experience, based on facial expression, speech, body language, etc.

Affective empathy is the source of compassion and altruistic behaviour, arguably, your conscience, so this is the deficit we're concerned with in people like Jaymes Todd.

Add touch of narcissism and a whole lot of INCEL entitlement to the mix (which IMO is the low self-esteem/external locus of control response to female empowerment) and bam, he's taking what he thinks he deserves.

I find it extremely interesting that all of the worst crimes we're seeing in western society (murders, mass shootings), seem to fit the same profile: white, young, anti-social men. Entitlement (or extreme felt loss of entitlement) must play a part.

On another note, I used to think that people who raped and murdered women did so due to objectification and dehumanisation. Which may be true in one regard, though Kate Manne, author of 'Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny' wrote a great article, and proposed that it is actually her 'humanness' that he is trying to obtain. Her humanity, her love and nurturing, are things he feels women 'deny' him(i.e. they are inherently entitled and have no socially adaptive ways of obtaining them), and thus the violent act is both punishing and actualising. An interesting theory I thought!

 

[Aron.Wor]

Awesome!
I'm sure you both have more insight and understanding of the subject than I do.
Now, when neurological conditions and environmental factors both play a part, we come to that amalgamation of biopsychosocial factors that contribute to such personalities. Our society is geared in a way that creates greater issues surrounding these 'problems of personality'. It enables the characteristics we observe within these problems.
I'm only a 1st year Bach student. Counselling. I've done a Diploma in mental health, so I have a lot to learn.

Contemporary Existential-Humanistic theories of psychotherapy would disregard the terminology and try to understand any person from an I-Thou perspective. Autism, Aspergers, and other disorders are not a consideration. A person's reality is the frame of reference we respond to. Taking that into consideration, from an objective view of what society calls autism, could not this be perceived as a developmental adaptation to seemingly hedonistic society with a sociopathic overtone. I mean, that is what capitalistic society enables, no?

"I find it extremely interesting that all of the worst crimes we're seeing in western society (murders, mass shootings), seem to fit the same profile: white, young, anti-social men. Entitlement (or extreme felt loss of entitlement) must play a part."

I find this an interesting comment. The profile, yes, that is fitting. Perhaps a loss of entitlement now, but stemming from what?
A loss of identity?
Considering humans have been around for such a long time, yet the catalysts for the many issues in today's society come from the industrial revolution, and the complete restructuring of societies, has the human race really had time to adjust to the way of life created? Is it men's loss of entitlement? And if it is, there has to be an underlying factor. We're (humans) boxed. Placed in roles and expected to act accordingly. Our instincts are in conflict with what society's norms have become. Instead of tribal values, we encourage hedonism and selfishness.

 

[Eloise]

a developmental adaptation to seemingly hedonistic society with a sociopathic overtone.

How is it an adaptation, though? It's present from birth or earlier. It's not developed in adulthood. It has a strong genetic component. It's diagnosed more often now because it hasn't always been a diagnostic category and has only really begun to be understood. People with autism would once have been diagnosed simply as intellectually disabled or mentally ill, depending on how they presented. There have been people with strongly autistic traits described in literature for centuries, as early as the middle ages, it's just not what it was called or understood to be.

I think I understand what you're getting at. Like you mean incels and that kind of thing? Because I strongly argue against conflating autism and incels. Young men with ASD might easily be convinced to join in with that sad crowd but that doesn't mean all autistic men are incels or all incels are autistic. For one thing, girls and women with autism exist too.

 

[Aron.Wor]

Perhaps my terminology is off. Not Incels-please not incels- No.
Yeah, I understand there has been cases stemming back for some time. Yet, there seems to be a significant increase and impact in today's societies.
Human adaptation to society stemming from modern constructs of government and global society is causing an alteration in empathetic processing and adapting mechanisms of individual preservation. The family unit no longer offers the comfort and protection it once did in societies. All you have to do is turn on the TV, turn to the streets, the papers. Anxiety is causing many maladaptations, and perhaps evolutions. Dissociation is a result of trauma and the anxiety that comes with such trauma. What's the best way for the human race to continue in a world that is so anxiety-provoking?

I don't know. I'm just very concerned. There's been a lot of concerning issues in Australia's progression recently. Everyone's been saying we've been taking the American path for some time, but it's our social structures and societal behaviours that I didn't see morhing into the very ill society that America has grown.

 

[BlackCloud]

He was today sentenced to life in prison but will be eligible for parole after 35 years behind bars for crimes that Supreme Court Justice Stephen Kaye described as "categorically evil".

Judge finds Eurydice Dixon's killer has low chance of rehabilitation

Violent searches prior to killing
There it is again - violent .

If he's "categorically evil" why did they have made him eligible for parole? This is a nonsense to me....
Australian laws are odder than ours....

 

[BlackCloud]

Perhaps my terminology is off. Not Incels-please not incels- No.
Yeah, I understand there has been cases stemming back for some time. Yet, there seems to be a significant increase and impact in today's societies.
Human adaptation to society stemming from modern constructs of government and global society is causing an alteration in empathetic processing and adapting mechanisms of individual preservation. The family unit no longer offers the comfort and protection it once did in societies. All you have to do is turn on the TV, turn to the streets, the papers. Anxiety is causing many maladaptations, and perhaps evolutions. Dissociation is a result of trauma and the anxiety that comes with such trauma. What's the best way for the human race to continue in a world that is so anxiety-provoking?

I don't know. I'm just very concerned. There's been a lot of concerning issues in Australia's progression recently. Everyone's been saying we've been taking the American path for some time, but it's our social structures and societal behaviours that I didn't see morhing into the very ill society that America has grown.

You're just all the other "democratic and capitalist" countries of the world:
1) no morality at all
2) too much edonism
3) too much tv, mass media, celebrity cult
4) too many people living meaningless life
All these thing are just happening in USA, Canada, Europe and many other nations (all "democratic" and capitalist nations, as I said before)
Anyways...what the hell...life in prison for this scum...do you really want to pay for his food and medicines for years maybe decades?
You should bring back the death penalty. It's more easy and effective than life imprisonment.

 

[Aron.Wor]

You're just all the other "democratic and capitalist" countries of the world:
1) no morality at all
2) too much edonism
3) too much tv, mass media, celebrity cult
4) too many people living meaningless life
All these thing are just happening in USA, Canada, Europe and many other nations (all "democratic" and capitalist nations, as I said before)
Anyways...what the hell...life in prison for this scum...do you really want to pay for his food and medicines for years maybe decades?
You should bring back the death penalty. It's more easy and effective than life imprisonment.

Yeah, thanks mate.......
So as I was saying.....

 

[DRT]

NoCookies | The Australian

Title is The reckoning: one city, four murders

Article about Violence against women. 4 murders occurring in Melbourne including Eurydice Dixon.

Talks about the politics of Equality of Women as a major cause of Violence against Women versus other factors including mental illness, drugs, alcohol and dysfunctional family backgrounds.

 

[they'll get you]

You're just all the other "democratic and capitalist" countries of the world:
1) no morality at all
2) too much edonism
3) too much tv, mass media, celebrity cult
4) too many people living meaningless life
All these thing are just happening in USA, Canada, Europe and many other nations (all "democratic" and capitalist nations, as I said before)
Anyways...what the hell...life in prison for this scum...do you really want to pay for his food and medicines for years maybe decades?
You should bring back the death penalty. It's more easy and effective than life imprisonment.

I hear you loud and clear BlackCloud.
My cousin has a son who showed violent problems at 4 and the only medication that helped would put him in a vegetative state which was of help and that cruelty was being kind.
Now he’s 18 and stronger than most men, even his grandmother refuses to visit as everything will trigger an ‘episode’.
He’ll go into shops and bash the manager if challenged and masturbate in front of women and children.
The cops know him as mentally challenged person, no-one will help and his mother can’t do a damn thing about it.

Mark my words this is the type of person who will rape an innocent woman or child or kill his mother.
He needs a padded cell 24/7. imo and no asset to society whatsoever.
You hear of these murders but you’re never told the background.

 

[they'll get you]

Eurydice Dixon's killer to have life-sentence appeal streamed online

The man who raped and killed comedian Eurydice Dixon in a Melbourne park will have his bid to appeal his life sentence broadcast online.
Jaymes Todd was jailed for at least 35 years after he pleaded guilty to attacking the young woman as she walked through a Carlton North park in 2018.
The 20-year-old's crime was labelled "pure and unmitigated evil" by Supreme Court Justice Stephen Kaye who ordered the killer to life behind bars last year.


Eurydice Dixon's killer to have life-sentence appeal streamed online

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Eurydice Dixon's sadistic killer has failed to overturn his life sentence for the "unspeakably loathsome and cruel" rape and murder of the aspiring Melbourne comedian.

Rapist and murderer Jaymes Todd claimed the sentence was "manifestly excessive" because it was too long and disproportionate to the crime.

But Court of Appeal Justices Anne Ferguson, David Beach and Phillip Priest rejected this.

"A young woman should be able to walk home alone after a night out without any fear of being harmed, let alone subjected to a vile sexual attack and killed," they wrote in their judgment handed down on Thursday.
Eurydice Dixon killer's loses appeal bid

 

[they'll get you]

If he's "categorically evil" why did they have made him eligible for parole? This is a nonsense to me....
Australian laws are odder than ours....

That’s what Victoria does. Their rulings are totally odd.