AZ AZ - John Doe found hanging in Flagstaff hotel room UP9874 - Oct’83

[MadMcGoo]

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[No Photo]

Date Body Found: October 1, 1983
Location Found: Flagstaff, Coconino County, Arizona
Sex: Male
Race / Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Estimated Age Group: Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years): 18-99
Estimated Year of Death: 1983
Estimated PMI: 1 Days
Measured Height: 5' 11"(71 inches)
Measured Weight: 159 lbs
Hair Color: Brown (curly, 6.5 cm in length)
Eye Color: Brown
Scar/mark: Diagonal scar over the right lower abdominal quadrant, 4.6 cm in length. Inferiorly and parallel is a 7.5 cm scar over the right inguinal region.

Clothing: White t-shirt, blue jeans, black short trouser-style socks, red Speedo swimsuit, green "deck" shoes with laces.
Jewelry/Accessories: e [sic]white-metal bands are present on the 4th left digit, loosely tied thin yellow thread on the left wrist.

Circumstances of Recovery: Found hanging in a hotel room. Was last seen alive the day before on Sept. 30, 1983. The only name given to the hotel manager was "Schneider" with an address of "Bahnhoffter St., Zurich, Swiss". The decedent paid for the room in cash. Witnesses stated that he spoke with a european accent.

ME/C Case Number: 83-141

 

[MadMcGoo]

There should be a photo somewhere, I’d think.

 

[Springrain]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

[No Photo]

Date Body Found: October 1, 1983
Location Found: Flagstaff, Coconino County, Arizona
Sex: Male
Race / Ethnicity: White / Caucasian
Estimated Age Group: Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years): 18-99
Estimated Year of Death: 1983
Estimated PMI: 1 Days
Measured Height: 5' 11"(71 inches)
Measured Weight: 159 lbs
Hair Color: Brown (curly, 6.5 cm in length)
Eye Color: Brown
Scar/mark: Diagonal scar over the right lower abdominal quadrant, 4.6 cm in length. Inferiorly and parallel is a 7.5 cm scar over the right inguinal region.

Clothing: White t-shirt, blue jeans, black short trouser-style socks, red Speedo swimsuit, green "deck" shoes with laces.
Jewelry/Accessories: e [sic]white-metal bands are present on the 4th left digit, loosely tied thin yellow thread on the left wrist.

Circumstances of Recovery: Found hanging in a hotel room. Was last seen alive the day before on Sept. 30, 1983. The only name given to the hotel manager was "Schneider" with an address of "Bahnhoffter St., Zurich, Swiss". The decedent paid for the room in cash. Witnesses stated that he spoke with a european accent.

ME/C Case Number: 83-141

There's no Doe Network page for him! Thanks for posting @MadMcGoo. I'm curious why there's no photo or sketch available if it sounds like he was recognizable.
If he has been reported missing it would definitely, I assume, have to be on Interpol since it sounds like he was European...then again he could have immigrated to the US (or even Mexico or Canada) long before.

 

[annemc2]

Possible wedding ring(s). I usually associate Speedos with Europeans, unless this was an early 80s thing?

And what's with the age range!?

 

[Springrain]

Possible wedding ring(s). I usually associate Speedos with Europeans, unless this was an early 80s thing?

And what's with the age range!?

I would understand if it was a skeleton, but it sounds like he'd just been found and was recognizable! So confusing!

 

[ipa]

Is there any sense in contacting the contact/PD to see if more information or any images are available?

 

[cenazoic]

There’s no ‘Bannhofter St’ in Zurich. Perhaps a transliteration of Bahnhofstrasse?

 

[ipa]

There’s no ‘Bannhofter St’ in Zurich. Perhaps a transliteration of Bahnhofstrasse?

My search led me to the same conclusion

 

[MadMcGoo]

Is there any sense in contacting the contact/PD to see if more information or any images are available?

Go for it! Couldn’t hurt.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Bumping case up.
It's too bad PMI was only 1 day, yet they couldn't estimate his age at all.

I am going to speculate he was visiting from Europe but maybe not Switzerland. He used a generic German last name but either he misspelled Bahnhofstr. for some reason, or he said it to a clerk who spelled it like it sounds. JMO.

When I have time, I am going to see if I can find any potential matches....

 

[DD Byrd]

It sounds like he, or the clerk, was trying to put "street" in English, rather than German "strasse." Maybe the clerk wanted the closest representation for some reason. Or the address meant something and the Doe wanted to be sure if was listed as street so it could be followed up on by an American. If that's the case, I wonder if the last name Schneider, pronounced Shneeder, is of any significance like the Lyle Stevik case. Even in '83 it would have been possible to see if were any leads of Schneiders in Zurich.
They probably list the wedding ring as "possible" since it could be a tan line on his right ring finger. I'm about 50/50 in trying to get into Namus...does it list whether they have DNA for him?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I'm about 50/50 in trying to get into Namus...does it list whether they have DNA for him?

He is in NamUs:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Could someone please check for exclusions?

I found an American (from Maine) who went missing in April '83, had long curly brown hair, and was threatening self-harm when he disappeared. However he was said to have blue eyes, a lot of men had longer hair in the '80s, and I don't think circumstances match enough. So not going to put his name into the thread, but he's NamUs MP12654.

I'll look at Interpol Yellow Notices...

 

[Myrrh]

He is in NamUs:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Could someone please check for exclusions?

I found an American (from Maine) who went missing in April '83, had long curly brown hair, and was threatening self-harm when he disappeared. However he was said to have blue eyes, a lot of men had longer hair in the '80s, and I don't think circumstances match enough. So not going to put his name into the thread, but he's NamUs MP12654.

I'll look at Interpol Yellow Notices...

No exclusions in NamUs

 

[jdnoel]

Did anyone happen to find out any more on this john doe? I stumbled across it doing some digging on looking for my bio family not sure how but i did.