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Coast guard search, quite methodical, prayers she’s found.
 

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another Taylor Swift themed event
poor lady but how does it happen?
I thought the railings were quite high?
did she climb up? was she able to lean over?
are they not as high as they should be?
 
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another Taylor Swift themed event
poor lady but how does it happen?
I thought the railings were quite high?
did she climb up? was she able to lean over?
are they not as high as they should be?
It is virtually impossible to "fall" off a modern cruise ship. This will be either murder or suicide.
 
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It is virtually impossible to "fall" off a modern cruise ship. This will be either murder or suicide.
True! And don't forget "I'm going to sit on top of the railing for a selfie" which has doomed more than one passenger (usually involves alcohol). The Cruise Vessel Safety and Security Act requires cruise liners to report incidents of serious criminal activity to the FBI and to take safety measures such as providing ship rails 42 inches or higher and installing technology to detect when someone falls overboard
 
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Coast guard search, quite methodical, prayers she’s found.

I'm curious if anyone knows more about the search pattern that is used here. In land searches we see searchers use the grid method, is there a reason they use the hub and spoke pattern on water? Just curious, JMO
 
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It is virtually impossible to "fall" off a modern cruise ship. This will be either murder or suicide.
I've been on enough cruises to know that this is the absolute truth. There are warnings in the passenger contract prior to the cruise and announcements made onboard advising guests not to sit or stand on railings. And, of course, parents should not allow children to sit or stand on railings for a photo-op. Regardless of the many warnings, there are always folks who don't think rules apply to them, and they will do whatever they please, putting themselves, their children, and/or other passengers at risk. This woman was either pushed over a railing by someone else, or she climbed on a piece of furniture and threw herself over the railing. JMO
 
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This could also be an accident due to poor judgment. Climbing up on a railing or chair near a railing to take a photo.
 
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This could also be an accident due to poor judgment. Climbing up on a railing or chair near a railing to take a photo.
Yes, it could have been an accident. But climbing on a railing or on a piece of furniture near a railing is deliberately putting oneself in danger of falling overboard. Millions of people cruise annually, and very few "accidentally" fall overboard. JMO
 
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I'm curious if anyone knows more about the search pattern that is used here. In land searches we see searchers use the grid method, is there a reason they use the hub and spoke pattern on water? Just curious, JMO
My first thought on seeing it was a thorough circular search in the area where she was known/thought to have gone overboard. I’m not sure from there. JMO
They were doing the grid search the next morning.
 
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If she fell from where the video in this press article was taken, she could have had a avc or heart failure, and fall oberboard, the protection rail is not that high no ??
otherwise since they immediately reacted, they would have maybe found her trying not to drown. Or the height of the fall and the impact with water was too violent and she lost consciousness for that ?
I doubt this is murder. I think of a health issue plus accident, more than suicide.
But who knows ??
JMO

 
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If she fell from where the video in this press article was taken, she could have had a avc or heart failure, and fall oberboard, the protection rail is not that high no ??
otherwise since they immediately reacted, they would have maybe found her trying not to drown. Or the height of the fall and the impact with water was too violent and she lost consciousness for that ?
I doubt this is murder. I think of a health issue plus accident, more than suicide.
But who knows ??
JMO

Assuming she is of average height for a woman, the railing would have been at least waist level. Had she had a medical event and passed out there is no way her body could have fallen over such railing. She had to have been standing on something near the railing, sitting/climbing on it, or seriously leaning well over the railing with her entire upper body when a possible event happened. As far as a 14 story drop, highly unlikely she would have survived the impact with the water.
 
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Yes, it could have been an accident. But climbing on a railing or on a piece of furniture near a railing is deliberately putting oneself in danger of falling overboard. Millions of people cruise annually, and very few "accidentally" fall overboard. JMO
The person said "murder or suicide". I was replying to this and adding accident.
 
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If she fell from where the video in this press article was taken, she could have had a avc or heart failure, and fall oberboard, the protection rail is not that high no ??
otherwise since they immediately reacted, they would have maybe found her trying not to drown. Or the height of the fall and the impact with water was too violent and she lost consciousness for that ?
I doubt this is murder. I think of a health issue plus accident, more than suicide.
But who knows ??
JMO


what is a avc?
 
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what is a avc?
Arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy?
AVC can also stand for arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy, an inherited condition that can cause sudden cardiac death, heart failure, and ventricular tachyarrhythmias.
 
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I would imagine there was drinking on board? Alcohol consumption and bodies of water are a very risky mix, very unfortunately. moo.
 
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Arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy?
AVC can also stand for arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy, an inherited condition that can cause sudden cardiac death, heart failure, and ventricular tachyarrhythmias.
I had in mind a cerebrovascular accident. I had a relative that unfortunately died of a similar unlucky accident but from a house balcony with quite high protection, he surely did not jump, he just fell off with his whole weight. I was observing that the rail in the video is not that high, look at the people bending over it to look down.
 
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The person said "murder or suicide". I was replying to this and adding accident.
I excluded simple accident because it would be virtually impossible for someone to go overboard from a cruise ship accidentally. Misadventure would be different, taking misadventure as being something which would be an accident if it were not for risky or stupid behaviour by the deceased - eg climbing or sitting on the railings.
 
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I had in mind a cerebrovascular accident. I had a relative that unfortunately died of a similar unlucky accident but from a house balcony with quite high protection, he surely did not jump, he just fell off with his whole weight. I was observing that the rail in the video is not that high, look at the people bending over it to look down.

it's lower than I was envisioning
but I think someone would still have to climb up to lose balance and fall?
 

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