Black fibres on the thigh and crotch areas of the body

[Nuisanceposter]

I don't think Patsy decided it was time to choke and bludgeon JonBenet. I don't think she intended to severely injure her at all. I think she lost control of herself while enraged, and perhaps even blacked out. I think she acted on instinct and adrenaline and grabbed her daughter and choked her and hit her not out of any intention, but because she totally lost it and snapped.

Why? Mental instability.

After it was done, and she saw how badly injured her daughter was, seemingly dead, she decided the next course of action was to stage a different scene than what had just happened.

 

[tumble]

NP:
I see. Maybe itwas the first time she really blew up. After the initial assault she realized what she had done. Even if JBR was not seriously hurt at this moment maybe she realized that things maybe would never get the same again ie JBR would probably tell JR. This could have caused another rage that was immediatly directed at JBR as the 'cause' of the problem. Just spitballing as SD would say...

 

[BBB167893]

Heck, it might be right, for all I know!

 

[Britt]

This could have caused another rage that was immediatly directed at JBR as the 'cause' of the problem. Just spitballing as SD would say...

Maybe during the attack JonBenét made a break for it to go tell dad what mom was doing... and mom's kneejerk reaction was the maglite head blow.

JSB... (JustSpitBalling)

 

[Luanne]

Coroner Meyer suggested that she had been sexually assaulted digitally, the blood on her genitals was as a result of this.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is digital sexual assault?

 

[UKGuy]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is digital sexual assault?

Luanne,

The person that assaulted her, in Coroner Meyer's opinion, and he viewed the injury, did so by using a finger.

If there is evidence of prior sexual abuse, then why should this instance be viewed as a staged assault?

Given the assumed force of trauma to her head why did it not bleed?

Also whomever whacked her must have known she was alive to carry on and strangle her!

Much as I'd like to see it as something accidental the evidence does not line up that way.


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[tumble]

Given the assumed force of trauma to her head why did it not bleed?

I think the head injury is consitent with no bleeding. Blunt force trauma. Distributed force.

Also whomever whacked her must have known she was alive to carry on and strangle her!

Not necessarily, the neck ligature could be just pure staging.

 

[Becba]

I thought Jon Benet had marks on her neck that were thought to be from her scratching at the ligature to remove it. If so, she had the ligature on first. But I am not sure if I remember correctly or if I just read someones opinion. Did she have indications of fingernail marks?

 

[tumble]

I thought Jon Benet had marks on her neck that were thought to be from her scratching at the ligature to remove it. If so, she had the ligature on first. But I am not sure if I remember correctly or if I just read someones opinion. Did she have indications of fingernail marks?

No she didn't have any skin under her fingernails and she didn't have any scratchmarks on her neck.

 

[BBB167893]

Tumble's right, Becba. That scratchmark business is yet another deLOUsion.

"Not necessarily, the neck ligature could be just pure staging."

I know a few people who said it was.

"Pardon my ignorance, but what is digital sexual assault?"

Using fingers to molest the victim. I'll probably get booted off for using that kind of language, but that's as direct a way to put it as I know.

"JSB... (JustSpitBalling)"

I've created a monster.

 

[tumble]

I've created a monster.

Yes, it's out roaming the internet now.

 

[Britt]

I thought Jon Benet had marks on her neck that were thought to be from her scratching at the ligature to remove it.

Mythinformation.

Did she have indications of fingernail marks?

No.

 

[Britt]

"JSB... (JustSpitBalling)"

I've created a monster.

Maybe you should copyright it and start charging

 

[BBB167893]

Maybe you should do the same with "mythinformation!"

No, truthfully, I can't copyright it because I didn't invent it. I first heard Larry Linville say it on M*A*S*H. Besides, knowledge should be free to all!

 

[rashomon]

Luanne,

The person that assaulted her, in Coroner Meyer's opinion, and he viewed the injury, did so by using a finger.

If there is evidence of prior sexual abuse, then why should this instance be viewed as a staged assault?

Given the assumed force of trauma to her head why did it not bleed?

Also whomever whacked her must have known she was alive to carry on and strangle her!

Much as I'd like to see it as something accidental the evidence does not line up that way.

Was coroner Meyer of the opinion that the digital molestation occurred during the sexual assault on JB or did he mean this was from chronic sexual abuse? Has Dr. Meyer ever offered his opinion re JB being a victim of chronic sexual abuse?

If there is evidence of prior sexual abuse, then why should this instance be viewed as a staged assault?

I'm not sure I understand what exactly you mean by that UKGuy, therefore correct me if I' m wrong: do you mean that if JB suffered from prior sexual abuse, why would the stager create a sexual abuse scene?
But keep in mind that the stager created a violent sexual assault scene, where JB's vagina was injured to the point of bleeding.
Suppose JB had been molested by a family member for quite some time, but not in a way which caused her to bleed etc.
But still the person who molested JB was aware that during the autopsy, this abuse might be discovered (eroded hymen, etc).
Now wouldn't it make sense for the abuser to stage a sexual predator scenario and inflict some injuries to JB's genitals which should lead the coroner to believe that things like an eroded hymen had been caused by that sexual predator too?

Also whomever whacked her must have known she was alive to carry on and strangle her!

Not necessarily. The person who whacked her in a rage may have thought JB was already dead from the head bash, and then the perp proceeded to create a strangling scene for staging purposes.

 

[UKGuy]

rashomon,

Was coroner Meyer of the opinion that the digital molestation occurred during the sexual assault on JB or did he mean this was from chronic sexual abuse? Has Dr. Meyer ever offered his opinion re JB being a victim of chronic sexual abuse?

Yes he considered it occurred during the sexual assault, he voiced this as his opinion, during the autopsy.

I'm not sure I understand what exactly you mean by that UKGuy, therefore correct me if I' m wrong: do you mean that if JB suffered from prior sexual abuse, why would the stager create a sexual abuse scene?
But keep in mind that the stager created a violent sexual assault scene, where JB's vagina was injured to the point of bleeding.
Suppose JB had been molested by a family member for quite some time, but not in a way which caused her to bleed etc.
But still the person who molested JB was aware that during the autopsy, this abuse might be discovered (eroded hymen, etc).
Now wouldn't it make sense for the abuser to stage a sexual predator scenario and inflict some injuries to JB's genitals which should lead the coroner to believe that things like an eroded hymen had been caused by that sexual predator too?

I'm not assuming JonBenet suffered from prior sexual abuse, but if there is enough evidence of any prior abuse, then why should we continue to view her sexual assault as a form of staging?

Now wouldn't it make sense for the abuser to stage a sexual predator scenario and inflict some injuries to JB's genitals which should lead the coroner to believe that things like an eroded hymen had been caused by that sexual predator too?

Yes, and that is the major thrust of the Intruder theories, but what if the sexual assault was for real and her death was a consequence from it, say her abuser whacks her so to silence her, but it becomes mortal? The same reasoning and rage rational that people apply to Patsy can be run through here.

Not necessarily. The person who whacked her in a rage may have thought JB was already dead from the head bash, and then the perp proceeded to create a strangling scene for staging purposes.

mmm, maybe, according to Coroner Meyer her death was from ligature strangulation, although imo the garrote is staging, why should her killer proceed with a ligature or even a manual strangulation, other than to kill her?


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[Luanne]

Luanne,

The person that assaulted her, in Coroner Meyer's opinion, and he viewed the injury, did so by using a finger.

If there is evidence of prior sexual abuse, then why should this instance be viewed as a staged assault?

Given the assumed force of trauma to her head why did it not bleed?

Also whomever whacked her must have known she was alive to carry on and strangle her!

Much as I'd like to see it as something accidental the evidence does not line up that way.


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<blushing> that makes sense, when I read digitally, I was thinking something more along the lines of internet . What a dummy!

I haven't read the JonBenet forum for ages, until Patsy died. I'd forgotten a lot of details. This is such a sad case, that poor little girl.

 

[LinasK]

<blushing> that makes sense, when I read digitally, I was thinking something more along the lines of internet .

You aren't the first person to think that, but in this regard digital does not refer to computer, it means digits as in fingers.

 

[BBB167893]

"Was coroner Meyer of the opinion that the digital molestation occurred during the sexual assault on JB or did he mean this was from chronic sexual abuse? Has Dr. Meyer ever offered his opinion re JB being a victim of chronic sexual abuse?"

he might. Det. Arndt said that Meyer didn't think all of her injuries were from that night. But, this was a while afterward and she was going from memory.
Interestingly, Dr. Sirotnack, who examined the body with Meyer just for that reason, co-authored a treatise on child abuse with Dr. Krugman where they both said she'd been abused.

"Suppose JB had been molested by a family member for quite some time, but not in a way which caused her to bleed etc."

Someone once said that the blood itself was a sign of previous abuse, in that it was only spots, not a lot of blood.

"mmm, maybe, according to Coroner Meyer her death was from ligature strangulation, although imo the garrote is staging, why should her killer proceed with a ligature or even a manual strangulation, other than to kill her?"

The reverse is also true: there was no need for a head blow if she was already dead.