Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #6 *both parents arrested/charged*

[Trinitee]

I get a bad vibe from the whole family.

 

[Lusitana]

Something is definitely not right with that family, not sure what but I don’t get any good vibes from any of them. Poor kids.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm kind of surprised they would admit they haven't seen them in a year. Is that including Grandma and Grandpa West ? They lived so close to each other, I wonder why not.

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Haven't seen the kids in a year because of Covid - isn't that what was stated? It's been about a year since people were advised not to visit with older relatives.

I'd really like to know when somebody other than the parents last saw the boys.

jmo

 

[Limecat]

The only thing I noticed was that they clarified that the family hasn't been together for over a year, which is why they don't have any recent pictures of the boys. We speculated that was the case but hadn't heard an explanation.

The only other new information is that they claim they agreed the rest of the kids should be put in FBI protection. It might be more accurate to say the children were placed in the custody of the state pending the outcome of the investigation. I'm not sure they would have had a choice, but they might have been in agreement. Imo

Thank you!

 

[Limecat]

The West Family

There are some people who have come on here with hateful comments and disrespectful comments and…

Thank you!

 

[Limecat]

I'm kind of surprised they would admit they haven't seen them in a year. Is that including Grandma and Grandpa West ? They lived so close to each other, I wonder why not. What good does this statement do ? I highly doubt she gave the other kids to the FBI of her own volition and sincerely doubt she had that authority anyways. This statement makes her look worse to me. So you want to gaslight the public ? Her energy could be better spent trying to convince TW and JW to just tell the truth already. IMO

Love this!! Exactly. Honestly nothing in the statement rang entirely true and didn’t do much to inspire trust. Just MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

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Haven't seen the kids in a year because of Covid - isn't that what was stated? It's been about a year since people were advised not to visit with older relatives.

I'd really like to know when somebody other than the parents last saw the boys.

jmo

I understand no visits since (when? March of last year) if family lives far away due to Covid.
But socially distanced, masked visits in the park, driveway, outside areas if within driving distance?
No zoom or FaceTime either?

 

[Limecat]

I can see no visits if family lives far away.
But socially distanced, masked visits in the park, driveway, outside areas.
No zoom or FaceTime either?

They weren’t even allowed to play by themselves in their own fenced back yard “due to Covid-19”. Yeah. Right. MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

They weren’t even allowed to play by themselves in their own fenced back yard “due to Covid-19”. Yeah. Right. MOO

Was that reported? Crazy.

 

[MimosaMornings]

They weren’t even allowed to play by themselves in their own fenced back yard “due to Covid-19”. Yeah. Right. MOO

I’m not buying that. Hinky as heck.
JMO

 

[Limecat]

Was that reported? Crazy.

Yes - I’m paraphrasing but I think it was either when the APs did their one and only interview or might have come from what they said to LE when they reported the boys missing. TW said the boys were out playing on the patio with chalk. Then made it a big point they weren’t even allowed off the patio and onto the dirt. (Explaining no little footprints leading away the night they disappeared?)

Just going on memory, usually not that reliable, but that’s the gist. IMO

 

[Philosophia]

When they said the other kids were at the grandparents house, was it the West's they were referring too? I ask because a comment on a response to the statement Wanda made (or whoever wrote it for her) says that they didn't have any current pics because due to Covid they haven't been around the kids for over a year. Hmmmm
And another thing.... Let's say that was the case, shouldn't you have lots of updated pics seeing that you aren't able to see your grandkids in person?

Click the comments on the link below to see the response

PLEASE HELP RETURN MY BABIES — A GRANDMOTHERS PLEA

 

[Ontario Mom]

So... the kids can't venture off the patio into the yard, or go see the grandparents on dad's side because... covid, but they're cleared to go see the grandparents on mom's side? How does that make sense?

I've had two grand babies born in the past 5 months, and while we all live in the same town, we still have to "distance" visit. However, their mamas have sent me roughly 82 billion pics, of each them. Per day.

Now the West boys aren't newborns so pic taking is a little different with older children but still, did NO ONE in the family even ask for pics? Cute videos on their birthdays? Blowing out candles on their cake? No pics, no videos and... this didn't send any sort of red flags with anyone?

 

[MoeInVA]

So... the kids can't venture off the patio into the yard, or go see the grandparents on dad's side because... covid, but they're cleared to go see the grandparents on mom's side? How does that make sense?

I've had two grand babies born in the past 5 months, and while we all live in the same town, we still have to "distance" visit. However, their mamas have sent me roughly 82 billion pics, of each them. Per day.

Now the West boys aren't newborns so pic taking is a little different with older children but still, did NO ONE in the family even ask for pics? Cute videos on their birthdays? Blowing out candles on their cake? No pics, no videos and... this didn't send any sort of red flags with anyone?

Exactly. Covid is not a sufficient excuse. And if Covid was an issue all year than why could kids go to one grandma or the other all of a sudden at Christmas.

There ARE perfectly reasonable explanations for not seeing them or having pics, such as a difficult relationship. Everyone can understand that kind of thing happens in families.

Honesty would go a long way.

Between the doubtful Covid excuse and the claim the family made the “decision” to entrust the kids to the “FBI”, this statement just did not come off as candid.

If they cannot be truly honest or candid to protect the investigation then they’d be better off not issuing anything more than statements thanking investigators or those donating reward money or billboards etc. For example, they could have released a statement when BPD took over the case to say something like:

We want to extend our thanks and appreciation to the California City PD for their efforts on the investigation to date. We met with Bakersfield PD this week and we feel optimistic that the resources they are committing to finding O and O will finally bring us some answers. Thanks to all in the community for your support, prayers and continued efforts to bring O and O home.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

MAR 28, 2021
Adoptive grandmother of missing toddler brothers pleads for their return (turnto23.com)
The adoptive grandmother of two missing Kern County boys pleaded for their return Sunday morning, in a statement issued online.

"Come forward," Wanda West said in her statement, speaking to whoever may be involved in the disappearance of 3-year-old Orson West and 4-year-old Orrin West.

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"Someone knows exactly where Orrin and Orson are and what happened in December ... God and our family has already forgiven you and you will be free from the guilt and burden I know you are carrying," West's said in the statement.

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[Kismet7]

So now, according to WW comment, the police that have all photos of the kids...Has a case ever existed where police take all photos of a missing child or person and then deny family access to the photos? Has it happened where police have current photos, but choose to keep the current ones a secret and only show older dated ones to the public? If either of these has happened, color me shocked. I think no new photos have been shared because they don't exist. It scares me thinking how long these boys may have been gone and how far away they could be or how little evidence may exist after how much time may have passed before LE was notified. This family seems to think they are helping themselves each time they talk, but the holes are tremendous in the story we are being fed. No photos because of Covid because they couldn't gather, but TW and JW lived with these boys everyday and yet here we sit with outdated pictures. It is almost as if somebody(ies) knows the photos don't matter anyway because these boys are gone. A concerned and loving parent would be out there all the time sharing any pictures they had and making heartfelt pleas, but that isn't what we are getting. We have gotten the exact opposite from TW and JW. This is infuriating. All jmo.

 

[Lusitana]

I am the MOST annoying person when it comes to Covid precautions. I don't go anywhere without a mask on, I don't go near anyone, be it friends or family, outside of my bubble without a mask on, I sanitize my hands and make other people do the same constantly, I don't touch random surfaces, I don't even go to public bathrooms.

But not seeing someone that I love for a whole year? They are little kids, how could they not have any contact with their grandparents for a whole year? I understand being at risk for Covid (which we don't even know if anyone in the family was), but you wear your maks, you don't touch anyone and keep your distance. You don't have to actually stop living your life and not seeing anyone.

When cases are low, I live a normal life. I go to the mall, I eat out, I socialize with friends, etc. With a mask on and acting like we are in a pandemic, but I still live a normal life. I go to work every day. So... not seeing family, CHILDREN, for a whole year? No.

Covid is a GREAT excuse to avoid people you don't actually want to see. Sure, if they lived far away from each other, I could understand why they haven't seen each other, but they live so close to each other, it's almost hard to believe they haven't really seen each other at all for a whole year.

Unless they are not actually close or they haven't been on speaking terms for a long time, thus not having much contact with the kids even prior to Covid.

I don't know, I just feel like everyone is lying, some more than others, but still.

 

[Inthedetails]

Covid is a GREAT excuse to avoid people you don't actually want to see.

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Agreed. Covid can serve as a valid excuse not to see people. So how far back does that put the "last seen" date?

Was the family planning to get together for Christmas this past December, over zoom or in person? I've been wondering about that.

jmp

 

[Lusitana]

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Agreed. Covid can serve as a valid excuse not to see people. So how far back does that put the "last seen" date?

Was the family planning to get together for Christmas this past December, over zoom or in person? I've been wondering about that.

jmp

That's what I actually would love to know. When was the last time they actually see the boys? Were there plans to spend Christmas together? Those questions were never answered.

 

[Dre]

What I gleaned from that post is that WW was not the grandmother that reported having seen them in December, and that she has never had foster kids. And that she believes her son.

From that I personally surmise that JWs mom was the one that says she saw them in dec, that she was the one that took in the 4 others for vacation and that she is the one with foster kids that she brought over to the house after the boys went missing.

From that I would also surmise that investigating JWs family at casa loma apartments, specifically her mother might bring to light any inconsistencies or possible knowledge of what happened.

Pure speculation and personal opinion of course!