GUILTY Canada - Eight men found shot to death, Shedden, ON, 8 April 2006

[cami]

I feel bad for the families of these men. I'm sure they loved their son...brother...father, etc as much as we love our kids but I don't feel much grief for the men themselves. I would imagine when they became involved with the biker gang they had to have know what the gang was all about. Years ago I knew 3 guys from that particular gang. I remember when two of them decided to leave the biker gang they feared for their lives because you don't just decide to quit the gang. There isn't anything good about biker gangs. They are big time drug dealers...they pick women who are willing to work as strippers in order to support them and think that they run the world.
Back in those days I don't think the Banditios were as bad or as big as they are now but they were bad enough. These were born and raised in a small town here in Washington state. How they ended up in a biker gang is beyond me.

The killers weren't very smart.....they got caught right away :banghead:

LOL, yeah, I bet they were killed in Kesseltine's house and then moved onto that farm next door. Really stupid eh, to leave the bodies 5 kms away from your own property....

My boyfriend and I were wondering if someone grassed them up since the arrests were made so fast...

 

[cami]

This story sends chills up my spine. I want to tell a story of something that happened to me & MrShadow years ago in a little town called Bob Caygeon(spelling is probably wrong) which is a couple of hours north of Toronto. We had gone there on vacation and were staying in this nice little Inn on a lake. It was right at the edge of dark and we decided to do some fishing. We went to our car to get our fishing gear and while we were there had an encounter with some very obnoxious biker dudes. They had checked into the Inn earlier in the day and problems started as soon as they arrived. They were being very roudy and really disturbing the other guests. I never really understood why they were staying there to begin with. They just didn't quite fit the type who normally stay at quaint little Inns or Bed&Breakfasts. Anyway, while we were at our car, there was this biker upstairs yelling out the window to one of his buddy's who was outside. The things that he was saying were really very rude/obscene. Well Mr.Shadow yells at him to shut up. I know, I know, very STUPID thing to do! The guy upstairs, says "Oh, OK, sure man." Somehow, I knew that was not the end of it and boy was I right! As we started down toward the lake, they were all there waiting on us! They immediately circled us and started saying some pretty scary stuff. Of course MrShadow was not backing down at this point(though he knew he was getting ready to get his a$$ kicked). They actually had chains and were swinging them around. I think that we were very close to being seriously injured if not killed! About that time, the manager of the Inn ran out and said that he had called the police. Luckily, he had seen what was about to happen. That broke it up but I was scared to go back to our room. I didn't want them to know what room we were staying in for fear that they would show up there later. We waited in the lobby for a long time and then sneaked to our room. I did not sleep at all that night. Thank God, they checked out the next morning. What really sucked about the whole thing is we were both police officers but were not armed(couldn't take our weapons into Canada). I loved our visit to Canada, the area was beautiful but I could have done without the encounter with the biker dudes!

OMG, how awful. I hope that is not typical of my beautiful country....but I live in an area where we don't have those gangs.

I was summonsed to jury duty a few years ago, it was a Hell's Angels drug trial. For the first time in my life, I was extremely glad that I did not speak or understand french. I was only summonsed because I have a french last name. I wouldn't have wanted to serve on that jury even though I believe in doing my civic duty. They got off, no jury will convict those dudes.

 

[lisan1373]

"Hey, I really resent that. My uncle was very involved in causes for children, such as "Toys for Tots," "St. Jude Children's Hospital," and "The Jerry Lewis Telethon for MD."

*****

I totally agree...the biker 'gangs' in my town actually do many good deeds. For example, they bring toys to a local childrens' hospital.

I am not necessarily opposed to 'gangs' (using the term very loosely). An affiliation within a group(s) and the need to belong is a universal desire for most. It isn't the affiliation that I oppose of but the actions committed by the gang that ends up hurting others. There can be a basket-weaving gang & that in and of itself wouldn't be disturbing (well, kind of, lol) but if these basket-weavers were thugs hurting others, then I'd be concerned. Are you following or have I just confused the lot? :crazy:

 

[tezi]

Did he use his own money or was it "dirty"--drug money IOW. I grew up with a guy who is in the Hell's Angels now. A quiet, unassuming guy....with the blood of many on his hands now. How he could point a gun at someone and pull the trigger is beyond my comprehension. This guy played cards with my dad and brothers in my home on Saturday nights.

Gee, Cami, I didn't think to ask him if that was his personal money or "dirty" money. And what makes you so certain if it was "dirty" money, it came from drugs?

Oh, and just so you know, he ran his own very sucessful construction company, so I am sure that he had his own "clean" money. Also, why do you seem to think that he would have any "dirty" money? Oh, wait, he was a biker in a gang, and a high ranking member of the administration, so therefore, he must have had "dirty" money. I get it now. Forgive me for being so slow.

Hey, I'll be sure in the next life to ask him just where he got the money to pay for my niece's funeral and to help out all the worthwhile causes he helped ok?

 

[tezi]

"Hey, I really resent that. My uncle was very involved in causes for children, such as "Toys for Tots," "St. Jude Children's Hospital," and "The Jerry Lewis Telethon for MD."

*****

I totally agree...the biker 'gangs' in my town actually do many good deeds. For example, they bring toys to a local childrens' hospital.

I am not necessarily opposed to 'gangs' (using the term very loosely). An affiliation within a group(s) and the need to belong is a universal desire for most. It isn't the affiliation that I oppose of but the actions committed by the gang that ends up hurting others. There can be a basket-weaving gang & that in and of itself wouldn't be disturbing (well, kind of, lol) but if these basket-weavers were thugs hurting others, then I'd be concerned. Are you following or have I just confused the lot? :crazy:

Hey Lisa, I totally understand what you are saying. I oppose any action where someone innocent gets hurt. As did my uncle.

Hey Lisa, do those biker "gangs" use "clean" money or "dirty" money to buy those toys for the children's hospital? LMAOROF!

You got to watch our for those basket-weaving gangs!!! I see them everytime I go to counseling at my local counseling center. LOL

 

[lisan1373]

LMAO!!!! We must have a similar funny bone. Thanks for the giggles.

 

[tezi]

LMAO!!!! We must have a similar funny bone. Thanks for the giggles.

Hey, we probably do! That basket-weaving gang comment made me roll out of the chair! I even got the dogs' attention because I was laughing so hard. They probably thought I was having another seizure!:laugh: :dance:

 

[CyberLaw]

There was a trial in Barrie where Bikers's were convicted.

With the Quebec Hell's Angles, many were convicted at trial and sentenced.

Remember "Mom" Bouchard.....he is still in jail.

So the "blanket" statement that "no one or any jury" will convict bikers is just not an accurate statement.

www.thestar.com

Michael Simmons, who worked undercover for the Mounties and the OPP against motorcycle gangs 15 years ago, said he purchased cocaine and guns from Kellestine on several occasions and that his work helped put away 18 bikers, including his own brother, Andrew "Teach" Simmons — onetime president of the Outlaws.

In Quebec where there has been "gang" wars, they take bikers very seriously and they do convict them and send them to prison.

But I do have to admit, they are scary people............

 

[guenevere]

I agree that not all their money is "dirty" money. They own legit businesses as well. I guess someone could argue that the businesses were started with "dirty" money but anyway... A lot of them do donate to charities.

My point is if it's going to a good cause, who cares where it came from? I'm not saying I agree with some of those methods of getting money. But dirty or not, it's far better for it to go to charity than to illegal activity.

Just my opinion.

 

[PonderingThings]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/04/12/1530841-sun.html

Eight Bandidos gang members were slain after Wayne Kellestine -- one of five people now charged in the slayings -- was tipped about plots to take his life or snatch his biker's colours, or patch, sources say.

Kellestine, 56, whose Iona Station farm is now under the forensic microscope as a suspected human slaughterhouse, had become such an embarrassment to the Bandidos that he was to be eliminated -- one way or the other, sources say.

One ex-Bandido, who did not want to be named, said police claims of "internal cleansing" being behind the slayings are "an insult."

Much more at link

 

[Alta]

Wayne Kellestine: Portrait of a biker
This is an interesting read.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/04/15/1534993-sun.html

 

[Alta]

The eight slaughtered men arrived in small groups and were likely executed the same way, sources told Sun Media, which reported police believe the massacre started after a dispute over drugs or gang membership got wildly out of control during a binge involving hard drugs.

Meanwhile, a Toronto newspaper reported the working theory among detectives is that the violence erupted after the men announced plans to break away from the group. It's unclear whether the intended defection was to include a "patch-over" to the Hells Angels, the Bandidos' archrivals and the dominant outlaw bikers in Canada.

Sun Media reported police theorize the eight bodies and four vehicles were haphazardly dumped on a dirt road 20 kilometres away because whomever killed the eight was "too high" to come up with any thoughtful plan.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/04/15/1535008-sun.html

 

[tezi]

I'd say the police are partially to blame here, by releasing the informant's name. But, that doesn't excuse what happened. Sickening.

 

[OkieGranny]

From September 2014:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bandi...ed-he-himself-might-die-lawyer-says-1.2767905

Marcelo Aravena... is one of five men challenging dozens of murder convictions in a ruthless internal cleansing of the Bandidos motorcycle club that left eight members of its Toronto chapter dead.

In all, Aravena and five other men were convicted of 44 counts of first-degree murder and four counts of manslaughter in the April 2006 slaying... including the purported mastermind, Wayne Kellestine, on whose farm the murders took place...

The other four — Michael Sandham, Brett Gardiner, Frank Mather and Dwight Mushey — were portrayed at trial as power-hungry schemers or wannabes gunning for status in the outlaw motorcycle club.