Child Rape Tests Limits Of Death Penalty

[southcitymom]

Bolding mine - I totally agree. It's a bit of a leap from molester to murderer.

I agree with this as well - not to mention the fact that not all child molesters are bonafide pedophiles - many (if not the majority) are situational molesters with nonexistent boundaries.

 

[Brefie]

I agree with this as well - not to mention the fact that not all child molesters are bonafide pedophiles - many (if not the majority) are situational molesters with nonexistent boundaries.

I did not know this....and I am pretty fascinated by that fact. I am not questioning you, but if you have a link to an article I would LOVE to read it.

 

[southcitymom]

I did not know this....and I am pretty fascinated by that fact. I am not questioning you, but if you have a link to an article I would LOVE to read it.

Let me see what I can find. I have discussed it on other threads here - but I will go scrounge up a link.

 

[Brefie]

Let me see what I can find. I have discussed it on other threads here - but I will go scrounge up a link.

Oh, don't go to any trouble.....just thought you might have read something recently....if you come across it, I would love it, but please don't put yourself out.:blowkiss:

 

[southcitymom]

I did not know this....and I am pretty fascinated by that fact. I am not questioning you, but if you have a link to an article I would LOVE to read it.

Here are just a few articles:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n6_v63/ai_15704699

http://www.skeptictank.org/nc70.pdf

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/kelly/qtr3/0801.htm

It is standard in LE to know this. It is not, I have found, common knowledge to the general public. I don't know if any of the articles I post delve into this, but several I have read say that children are molested more often by situational molesters (a drunk stepDad, a coked out neighbor - drugs and alcohol almost always play a role in situational molestation) than pedophiles.

This is important to me for a number of reasons - the main one being that we have to accept that "killing all the pedophiles" is not going to protect our children. We have to understand that our children are in even more peril from people in the more normal range of the sexual spectrum.

I know scads of folks who were molested as children. Only one of them (my youngest sister) was molested by what I consider to be a bonfide pedophile. The rest of them were molested by family members and friends who had "normal" sexual lives and relations outside of the molestation and whose sexual preference was adults.

 

[southcitymom]

Oh, don't go to any trouble.....just thought you might have read something recently....if you come across it, I would love it, but please don't put yourself out.:blowkiss:

Not put out at all - I just posted a few. A Google search will find many others. My friends in LE are trained in it all the time.

 

[Brefie]

Not put out at all - I just posted a few. A Google search will find many others. My friends in LE are trained in it all the time.

Thanks so much!

*Going to underground to read*

 

[eve]

Here are just a few articles:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n6_v63/ai_15704699

http://www.skeptictank.org/nc70.pdf

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/kelly/qtr3/0801.htm

It is standard in LE to know this. It is not, I have found, common knowledge to the general public. I don't know if any of the articles I post delve into this, but several I have read say that children are molested more often by situational molesters (a drunk stepDad, a coked out neighbor - drugs and alcohol almost always play a role in situational molestation) than pedophiles.

This is important to me for a number of reasons - the main one being that we have to accept that "killing all the pedophiles" is not going to protect our children. We have to understand that our children are in even more peril from people in the more normal range of the sexual spectrum.

I know scads of folks who were molested as children. Only one of them (my youngest sister) was molested by what I consider to be a bonfide pedophile. The rest of them were molested by family members and friends who had "normal" sexual lives and relations outside of the molestation and whose sexual preference was adults.

I agree.

So interesting. I wonder how the dp being a consequence would affect this kind of molestor. Would it have an affect at all? Would it drive them to murder?

The question is - how would the dp help decrease these crimes?

Eve

 

[southcitymom]

I agree.

So interesting. I wonder how the dp being a consequence would affect this kind of molestor. Would it have an affect at all? Would it drive them to murder?

The question is - how would the dp help decrease these crimes?

Eve

Yep - for me that would be important. Of course, I am not a DP advocate - I don't feel like it helps decrease any violent crime.

I think it's much more honest for people to say "I want to kill them because they harm children and I think they should suffer the ultimate punishment for that crime" than for people to say "it will protect our children." Overall, it won't.

JMHO.

 

[eve]

Yep - for me that would be important. Of course, I am not a DP advocate - I don't feel like it helps decrease any violent crime.

I think it's much more honest for people to say "I want to kill them because they harm children and I think they should suffer the ultimate punishment for that crime" than for people to say "it will protect our children." Overall, it won't.

JMHO.

My thoughts exactly, south.:blowkiss: The dp is more for retribution, it is not really effective to deter crime, and may even cause more severe crimes, imo.

Eve

 

[Brefie]

Here are just a few articles:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n6_v63/ai_15704699

From above link:

Was predisposed to commit the crime because the offender was victimized as a child. (In reality, evidence suggests that the majority of individuals who were sexually molested as children lead productive lives and do not become child molesters.)

Another interesting fact!

 

[southcitymom]

From above link:

Was predisposed to commit the crime because the offender was victimized as a child. (In reality, evidence suggests that the majority of individuals who were sexually molested as children lead productive lives and do not become child molesters.)

Another interesting fact!

Absolutely! I find it very important to note both of these things: 1) most people who are molested as children do not go on to become molesters and 2) with rare exception, people who molest children were molested as children.

 

[Brefie]

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/kelly/qtr3/0801.htm

From this link:

We do have Megan’s law, which is access to the addresses of sex offenders who are at high risk to repeat the offense. But how effective is it? Who really looks up sex offenders in their neighborhood? Some school districts send out a notice, but really don’t provide a lot of information in it. About a year ago, I received a notice from my daughter’s school alerting to a child molester in my area. In the notice, it never told me where the offender was living; I had to research that information myself. I found out he was a great distance away, but I’ll never forget how scared I felt.

I can't quite believe this - a school goes to the trouble of alerting parents and all this chick can do is whine that she had to google something to keep her daughter safe??

 

[sherri79]

Yep - for me that would be important. Of course, I am not a DP advocate - I don't feel like it helps decrease any violent crime.

I think it's much more honest for people to say "I want to kill them because they harm children and I think they should suffer the ultimate punishment for that crime" than for people to say "it will protect our children." Overall, it won't.

JMHO.

/wave! over here hun. i will be one of those to step up and say it. :blowkiss:

in cali the DP is a joke. rape and kill a child and you will die of old age on death row. i expect david westerfield to out live me. in florida we use the death penalty regularly(at least we did before the big lethal injection is too painful debate). joseph p. smith still killed carlie. evil men will continue to rape and even kill children regardless of the penalty. true that the dead men will not re offend but neither would those who got life without parole. for me some crimes are just so horrible that life in prison is not enough. now if we did not feed/clothe/provide medical care for those men i might agree with life in prison.

 

[southcitymom]

/wave! over here hun. i will be one of those to step up and say it. :blowkiss:

I knew I could count on you, hon!!:blowkiss: And that really is what it is, so we should just say it and not dumb it down or try to make it look like something it is not.

As someone who is not in favor of the DP, the most persuasive opinions I read on the other side of it basically say, "Hey, as a society, we have an obligation to say that your behavior is 100% unacceptable and we will not tolerate it by allowing you to continue to live among us." I can truly hear that and understand the place it comes from.

 

[mostlylurking]

I'll say it. Here ya go. :crazy:

....."I want to kill them because they harm children and I think they should suffer the ultimate punishment for that crime"......JMHO.

 

[southcitymom]

I'll say it. Here ya go. :crazy:

All you honest bloodthirsty folks are making my head hurt!!

 

[LinasK]

what would life without parole do? if a man rapes a 6 year old and knows if caught and convicted he will stay in prison til the day he dies might he kill the child? what if he knew he would stay in prison for 20 years no matter what?

i think the type of man that will kill a child after they have ripped their small bodies apart with a rape does not view the child as a person. the perverts willing to kill a child to avoid the DP will kill a child to avoid life without parole or even a long jail term. is the answer to give a lighter sentence in hope they will not kill the child and only continue to rape countless children?

I think if this country actually used the DP without years and years of appeals, then it would be a deterrent to crime (IMO). Our criminal justice system is a joke with all the plea bargains, paroles, early releases, etc.....
We need to seriously look at the whole process for any difference to be made.

While I have not in the past believed in capital punishment, I am finding myself sway with age. Being a victim of child rape by a stranger, I'm just at a place now where I say kill 'em.

Save the paroles & such for those folks who can actually be rehabilitated.

i agree that killers will kill regardless of punishment. the few that really fear the punishment are far outweighed by those who think they will not get caught. i also agree that people kill witnesses to get away with their crimes. they will shoot a store clerk to get away with a robbery of 50 dollars. they kill witnesses in DP state and in those with out the DP or states that claim to have the DP but never use it.

SCM if you see a small child bleeding and alone on a dark country road can you drive past? you do not know why she is there or what has happened to her, only that she is hurt and alone. can you leave her? you do not know if whoever hurt her is nearby. do you leave her to whatever controls fate rather than take a risk and save her? having spoke to you repeatedly i do not think you could leave the child. it is not in your nature.

when a small child is raped by a grown man much pain is involved. the child will cry, scream, and bleed. these men know they have hurt a child but they do not stop. they know if caught they will face prison. they know in prison they may suffer rape themselves. they do not stop. it is in their nature to prey on children. they can no more switch of their desire to harm the child than you can switch off your desire to save the child on the dark road.

the fear of punishment will not stop those that find sexual pleasure in the pain of a young child. life without parole or the DP will only stop those we catch. either would risk children being killed to avoid punishment. after all children are raped and killed in states without the DP regularly. to me it comes down to does the punishment fit the crime.

I am a molestation victim, and I totally agree with the bolded parts!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[mostlylurking]

All you honest bloodthirsty folks are making my head hurt!!

I've never been blood thirsty before.
I think my emotions are just high right now.
With all the FLDS stuff going on, my personal experience of being raped at 10 & the fact that my DH had jury duty this last week on a rape case where he walked free.....
DH said yesterday that if I was over my own experience, then I wouldn't want this kind of punishment. He's lucky I didn't whack him for that . I told him it's not about not being over it. It's about wanting it to stop & I am at a loss for what will ever make that happen.

 

[LinasK]

I've never been blood thirsty before.
I think my emotions are just high right now.
With all the FLDS stuff going on, my personal experience of being raped at 10 & the fact that my DH had jury duty this last week on a rape case where he walked free.....
DH said yesterday that if I was over my own experience, then I wouldn't want this kind of punishment. He's lucky I didn't whack him for that . I told him it's not about not being over it. It's about wanting it to stop & I am at a loss for what will ever make that happen.

I'm so sorry you went through that Mostly. Tell your DH that victims of sexual abuse never "get over it", you may stop thinking about it on a daily basis, but you're never over it. I was molested, not raped, at age 13- the memories are still crystal clear.