Could Kyron Horman’s disappearance yet have a happy ending?

There is always hope, look at Elizabeth Smart, Jaycee Dugard and Steven Stayner. The Stayner story is what I am hoping for as the guy as bad as he was took care of Steven to a degree, and dont hate me for saying that because I know how bad Parnell was and I know how bad the story is, his brother wound up becoming a killer and Steven was killed in a crash 7 years after he was home, but it still gives us hope that if a stranger took Kyron, they took him because they wanted a son and would not harm him.

the one thing that jaycee ellzabeth steve and sean have in common other then being kidnapped children who survived, is they were all raped and abused by there kidnappers repeatedly. i hope to god if kyron is alive he is not enduring that.

i also dont think torturing steven, telling him his parents hated him was 'taking care of him.' i know you meant well but that sent my blood boiling :(
 
the one thing that jaycee ellzabeth steve and sean have in common other then being kidnapped children who survived, is they were all raped and abused by there kidnappers repeatedly. i hope to god if kyron is alive he is not enduring that.

i also dont think torturing steven, telling him his parents hated him was 'taking care of him.' i know you meant well but that sent my blood boiling :(

Oh I know, I hated even writing it that way, a clearer idea of what I meant was he fed him, clothed him gave him some freedoms, verses locking him in a basement, chained to a wall and beaten daily.
I cant imagine the torture poor Steven went through mentally, as well as physically and my heart still breaks for him and what he went through and it still infuriates me that he held Steven longer than he was sentenced to. I am sorry I upset you that was never my intentions.
 
imo that is worse. steven sean jaycee and even elizabeth's captors not only raped and tortured them, they also screwed with there minds so much that they thought they were better off not running/going to the police. though steven finally did because he wouldnt let his captor do the same thing to another kid. (which shows obviously that steven was the more stable minded of the 2 brothers obviously).

btw you didnt offend me, i just get emotional too much.
 
"Could Kyron Horman's disappearance yet have a happy ending?"

I think at this point, after all this time, there are no options for happy outcomes, just outcomes that are less awful than others.

Where’s Kyron?
Kyron is currently exploring the Washington State wilderness in the hands of an Extended Family Member (EFM) that loves him and would do nothing to harm him physically. He is relishing his chance to learn more about the species he has studied in school. He is completely unaware that there is a massive search underway.

I seem to recall his grandmother saying that he's afraid of the woods around their house and would not willingly enter them alone. That was in answer to speculation he'd run away on his own but I think it may also indicate he's probably not a kid to enjoy an extended wilderness trip.

Still, that would be better than any of the options I think of as being likely.

Since the vast majority of child abductions are perpetrated by family members, I think it likely that the local LE or FBI did check out the whereabouts of all family members, immediate and extended. Since none of them have been published as missing, I find it unlikely that there are any that are missing.

Of course, such investigations rely heavily on input of family members, so if the family members omitted to mention old Uncle Ferd, LE might not know to check out Ferd Jones. That would require most of the immediate family to be in collusion, I think. Which seems unlikely.

Kyron’s current companion is an EFM with an unusually strong relationship with the SM.

How do you explain SM’s behavior since Kyron went missing?

The SM’s role in this disappearance could have been nothing more than that of enabler.

The SM’s postings on social media have been her way of communicating with the EFM…allowing direct communication with plausible deniability.

Web postings on the day of the disappearance provided the EFM with updates on whether anyone at the school had yet recognized Kyron’s absence. The photo of Kyron with a CSI shirt could well be an in-joke. The EFM may also have a webpage which effectively allows for two-way, but asynchronous, communication

If the EFM is in the wilderness with Kyron, how would they be accessing the internet? Most of the wilderness in the western US does not have complete cell coverage, so being able to pick up coded messages would be unpredictable.

So How Did Kyron disappear?
As the SM told us, she left Kyron at school …and bought the EFM time by creating confusion in the mind of Kyron’s teacher about the timing of Kyron’s appointment.

With her inside knowledge of the school’s inadequate absence procedures, she told the EFM he would have at least 75 minutes to make the short journey across the Columbia River and into neighboring Washington State. If those 75 minutes extended to 180 minutes, the EFM could be as far as Seattle without the need to speed on Interstate 5.

If she did not get the call at the start of afternoon session, before the talent show, she figured the EFM could safely be anywhere in Washington State, before the alarm was sounded. Crossing the border into Canada though conceivable in the time-frame is far less likely as it could have led to unwanted border checks.

The EFM knew that by crossing state lines the chance of discovery was greatly minimized, there being far from seamless responses from different State LE's.

Of course, if Kyron who is a nervous sort of child reacted badly to his new circumstances, the plan allowed for the EFM to abort the operation on Day 1 by returning Kyron to a pre-agreed location near his home. Multiple drop-off times were prearranged.

How would they keep Kyron from telling all after he was dropped off?

What about the Cell Ping discrepancies alleged by Willamette Weekly?
With Kyron’s father being tech savvy, much of his knowledge has rubbed off on his wife, and she knew with suspicion immediately falling on her as the last person to see the child, she could give LE some busy work which would buy some time for the EFM.

There are many possible explanations for the cell ping discrepancies, including that TMH did not accurately report her movements to LE to the Sauvie Island tower picking up her pings when she was exactly where she said she was.

SM’s Motives could range from altruism to greed
Spending much time online has led to the SM following a number of well-publicized missing children’s cases. She knew her coded messages to EFM on Facebook would immediately lead to her vilification in the media…but with her EFM agreeing to "take the fall" and with her involvement plausibly deniable due to use of coded communication, she knew that LE could never prove that she had conspired. Like several other vilified family members in recent cases, she knew that eventually she would receive a pay-off from the media as compensation for being wrongly accused.

But that wasn’t all …she could also hit the legal jackpot by suing the school district for failing to take adequate precautions to protect Kyron…a little bit of coaching to some of Kyron’s young friends could easily lead to some of the youngsters making statements to the media which would quickly paint the School district in a very bad light.

Of course, apart the financial payoff, Kyron’s disappearance is likely to lead to significant enhancement in school absence reporting. Maybe the ESM and SM have acted altruistically in an effort to bring about political change for the good of all schoolchildren. Maybe this idea was triggered by a flyer sent out by the school district only last may as part of its Safe Summer program.

EFM motives could range from altruism to anger

Why would the EFM take the fall? To allow the SM to get her payoff for one.

For another, maybe the idea was triggered by the continuing efforts of certain organizations to encourage parents to take advantage of anti-abduction kits. Such kits were being promoted for example at the recent Rose Festival in Portland. Interestingly one of the many not-for-profits promoting these kits is an organization sponsored by fraternal organizations. Several members of Kyron’s extended family may have held leadership positions in fraternal not-for-profits.

Less generously, maybe the recent criminal prosecution of a member of Kyron’s extended family has embittered other members of the extended family and led to a willingness in certain quarters to “stick it” to the authorities.

Who knows, but maybe due to declining health an older member of the extended family feels they have little to lose.

This all depends on TMH having an insane amount of trust in the EFM. Trust that the EFM would take good care of Kyron, trust that the EFM would not implicate her if they are caught, trust that Kyron would not implicate her if he is found, etc.

Maybe I'm a cynic, but I can't see trusting anyone that far. I would assume that the instant my co-conspirator was caught, they'd sing like a bird and transfer as much culpability to me as possible.

End Game.
After SM has been muddied enough by the media…Kyron will return from his extended vacation in the wilderness being dropped off at a location close to home…having been coached into keeping his mouth shut...giving the EFM plenty of time to prepare an exit.

In other words, just when all hope is fading…Kyron will reappear and reaffirm our belief that good things can happen!

That all hinges on adults trusting a seven year old to keep a secret.

It is true that some seven year olds can keep secrets. Not all can and not all seven year olds understand the parameters for what a secret is. Think of all the problems adults have in trying to define strangers for children! Now complicate that with trying to define what is and isn't part of the secret.

Most seven year olds would spill the secret if a sufficiently trustworthy adult asked them "what were you told not to tell anyone?"

Brainstorming
In the spirit of brainstorming , please challenge my storyline…and/or provide alternatives that also result in the ending for which we all pray!

I cannot do the latter because I just don't see any that seem realistic to me.

I have tried to challenge your story line.

Overall, the problems I see with it are that it involves way too many people who each have to trust all the other people in on the conspiracy, including a seven year old boy. That level of trust seems highly unlikely to me.

But I could be wrong and I often am.
 
for some reason i still think lindsey baum is still alive. i have no reason or indication to think that other then a gut feeling.

i dont know about kyron, seriously. i would think if he was dead he would have been found by now? but if he's alive then whoever has him is far away and laughing at the police incompetence. :(
 
"Could Kyron Horman's disappearance yet have a happy ending?"

I think at this point, after all this time, there are no options for happy outcomes, just outcomes that are less awful than others.

SNIP

I have tried to challenge your story line.

Overall, the problems I see with it are that it involves way too many people who each have to trust all the other people in on the conspiracy, including a seven year old boy. That level of trust seems highly unlikely to me.

But I could be wrong and I often am.


GrainneDhu thanks for being the first to critique the story-line in my o/p

You raise some excellent points each of which I would like to address

GrainneDhu wrote:
I seem to recall his grandmother saying that he's afraid of the woods around their house and would not willingly enter them alone. That was in answer to speculation he'd run away on his own but I think it may also indicate he's probably not a kid to enjoy an extended wilderness trip.

Yes I remember Mrs Moulton's comments of June 5 . OTOH there is at least one photo in the recent batch...number 5 of the first 101, IIRC, that shows Kyron with fishing equipment...I suspect that fishing would indeed be part of any long extended wilderness trip. Also I believe Mrs Moutlon's comment was referring to the idea of him running off by himself...in my scenario he is accompanied by a loving EFM (Extended family Member) whom he implicitly trusts.


GrainneDhu Wrote

Since the vast majority of child abductions are perpetrated by family members, I think it likely that the local LE or FBI did check out the whereabouts of all family members, immediate and extended. Since none of them have been published as missing, I find it unlikely that there are any that are missing.

I'm sure you are right about the family members...otoh I'm sure LE is not monitoring his vast extended family 7/24...and they cant be looking that closely or why did they need to make phone-calls to LE in Seattle after it was revealed that Kyron's uncle had been incarcerated for 3rd degree Stat Rape.
I believe the EFM could easily return from the wilderness for short periods in order to establish presence and say the right things to LE/media etc. Lets be clear when I refer to wilderness in Washington State I'm talking about the tens of unspoiled areas where I'm told people go hiking...these areas can be reached in hours, which means that returning from the wilderness could be accomplished relatively quickly and as often as necessary.

One thing I can tell you is that I checked on the two major Seattle TV Station websites yesterday to see if they were carrying the new vids/pic and the absense was deafening. Seems WA State has its own fair share of missing persons/abduction attempts which take precedence over one from Oregon. This is unfortunate as from Skyline School to WA State takes about 30 mins and Kyron clearly has a number of WA State connections including a Dad that frequently wears a UW football shirt and Kyron's own support for the Mariners.

GrainneDhu wrote

If the EFM is in the wilderness with Kyron, how would they be accessing the internet? Most of the wilderness in the western US does not have complete cell coverage, so being able to pick up coded messages would be unpredictable.

The most important time to access the web for messages would have been on the day of the abduction, in other words before ESM + Kyron set foot in the wilderness. As noted above returning from the wilderness would not take long, so non-time-sensitive communications could be picked up then.

GrainneDhu wrote
This all depends on TMH having an insane amount of trust in the EFM. Trust that the EFM would take good care of Kyron, trust that the EFM would not implicate her if they are caught, trust that Kyron would not implicate her if he is found, etc.

I believe that there may be an unusually strong relationship with someone in the extended family. This is purely my opinion based on circumstantial connections from my independent research on the WWW. As this is not info reported by the MSM I am not allowed to share that research based on the rules of WS.

GrainneDhu wrote
Maybe I'm a cynic, but I can't see trusting anyone that far. I would assume that the instant my co-conspirator was caught, they'd sing like a bird and transfer as much culpability to me as possible.

True...it also assumes that EFM cares about being implicated. There may be personal circumstances that lead to someone having little regard for their own welfare...(similar concept to "suicide by cop" that we see so often playing out in mass killings) . For example, an elderly person with a much shortened life-expectancy due to illness might not care about what might happen after LE builds a case in the aftermath of Kyron's reappearance.

That all hinges on adults trusting a seven year old to keep a secret. ....

And if my scenario is correct the seven year old would be unable to implicate anyone other than the EFM, leaving SM still in the position of being wrongly accused by the media and badly damaged by the School District's apparent gross negligence.


Again, thanks for taking the time to critique...and my counterpoints are offered in that same spirit...and frankly in an effort to keep alive at least one plausible scenario that could yet allow for to the happy ending for which we all pray...Kyron's prompt return in good health.
 
Kelly I know where you are coming from...which is exactly why I tried to lay out an alternative scenario in my Opening Post which is not only plausible but is also in my opinion consistent with the public statements made by LE. So far no one has pointed out any obvious flaws in the alternative scenario...

Thank you Oxymoran, for being a breath of fresh air to this case. It is so easy to become cynical and say "Well, here we go again.... another little one gone."

If some misguided person has Kyron I pray they will come to their senses and bring him home. Obviously, anyone who would take a child is misguided, but I am referring to the scenario you describe. Actually, I guess stranger things have happened.

Thank you for trying to offer hope for our little guy. You obviously put a lot of thought and effort into your theory and as you stated, I cannot point out any flaws with what you've said. It IS possible.

Prayers for Kyron and his family.

Kelly
 
The biggest draw back would be getting Kyon to stay quiet about all of it.
 
Thank you so much for interjecting the possibility of hope into this case...
Is it entirely too simple to say....Kyron appears to have simply vanished, without a trace...why then would it be impossible for him to simply... reappear?

I wish TV would make shows called "Reappear...Without a Trace."
It does happen.

Prayers for Kyron and his family. What an absolute nightmare.
 
Thank you so much for interjecting the possibility of hope into this case...
Is it entirely too simple to say....Kyron appears to have simply vanished, without a trace...why then would it be impossible for him to simply... appear?

I wish TV would make shows called "Reappear...Without a Trace."
It does happen.

Prayers for Kyron and his family. What an absolute nightmare.

oriah as veterns of the aja case i remember having so much hope she would be found alive.

god if there is anyways kyron is still with us, please let him be found, now
 
oriah as veterns of the aja case i remember having so much hope she would be found alive.

god if there is anyways kyron is still with us, please let him be found, now

Agree... I am so glad for the SAR efforts made for him...and so hope he is found. Soon.
 

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