CT CT - Norwalk, Rex Marine Yacht Club docks in Charles Creek off of Beach Rd, WhtMale 30-40, UP8937, drowned, 30 X 29 Levis, Grooves brand shirt, Jul'73

[rats]

I didn't see a thread for this UID, but I'm sorry if it's a duplicate!

NamUs: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8937

PDF by Norwalk PD: http://www.norwalkct.org/DocumentCenter/View/4946

CASE: 73-25064

CASE TYPE: Unidentified Male Body

DATE: 7-27-1973

LOCATION: Charles Creek

VICTIM: Unidentified White Male, 30-35 years of age, 5’10’’, 175lbs, reddish-brown hair. Male was wearing a Cranbury colored “Grooves” brand pull over shirt-size medium; “Levis” brand gray trousers; size 30 Fruit of the Loom underpants. No jewelry or other personal paperwork.

SUMMARY: On July 27th, 1973 at 6:50am, a passerby in the area of the Rex Marine Yacht Club docks in Charles Creek off of Beach Road observed a white male floating in the water face down. The body was taken to the Norwalk Hospital Morgue where an Autopsy was performed at a later date. Due to a state of decomposition, no facial identification would be possible. The autopsy estimated that the date of death would be sometime between July 20th and July 23rd, 1973 based upon decomposition. Recently, the dental chart that was completed at autopsy in 1973 has been coded into NCIC. The partial fingerprints of the male were restored by the FBI in 1973 and recently searched through the IAFIS fingerprint system with no matches.

CONTACT: Lt. Art Weisgerber – (203) 854-3028 ; [email protected]
Anonymous Tip-Line (203)-854-3111
Text: to CRIMES (274637) and”NPD” with info in text.
https://www.tipsubmit.com/WebTips.aspx?AgencyID=143

NamUs lists John Doe as 30-40, the above PDF as 30-35. Denials are in NamUs, fingerprints "available elsewhere". Surprisingly, no DNA, and no recon.

 

[rats]

Rule outs on NamUs, last updated September 2013:

Myron Alberding 1944 New York
Lyndal Ashby 1938 Kentucky
David Bacon 1946 New York
Michael Burnett 1956 California
Roger Carlson 1939 California
Steven Chait 1951 New York
Ronald Cole 1945 California
James Egan 1954 Wisconsin
Joseph Halpern 1910 Colorado
Raymond Harris 1951 Nebraska
Dermot Kelly 1955 Illinois
John Lake 1930 New York
Roger Madison 1953 California
Edward Maps 1938 Pennsylvania
Thomas Meuse 1956 New York
Gregory Mitchell 1965 Florida
Darrel Nichols 1953 Utah
Norman Prater 1956 Texas
Derran Rogers 1959 California
George Tonsgard 1927 Alaska
David Waggoner 1947 Texas
John Wagner 1951 Missouri
Christopher Wells 1956 Washington

 

[rats]

Today (July 27th) is the 43rd anniversary of the day he was found. I hope that we will have found his name by this time next year. :rose::rose:

 

[rats]

Fingerprints have been put in the system for this John Doe, I just got the email.

Also, a new exclusion (one I suggested myself):

Warren Niederfringer 1948 Connecticut
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23570/8

Kind of sad it isn't him, back to the drawing board I guess.

I also recently talked to this detective. He doesn't want to exhume for DNA. So I guess fingerprints and dentals are all we got.

 

[Springrain]

That's awesome! Hopefully John can be brought home to his family soon. :rose:

 

[digitective]

Maybe John Corbett? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28176/
35 years old, 5'9" - 5'10", 130 - 150 lbs, "small build," brown hair
Missing from Rochester, NY (357 miles away) since 7/1/72

 

[rats]

Bumping. This year is 45 years.

 

[rats]

I emailed Lt. Weisgerber and police Chief Kuhawlik of the Norwalk PD about the DNA Doe Project for this John Doe as well as for the other John Doe from Norwalk (1996) and he said he would look into it and be in contact with others about it. So fingers crossed.

1996 John: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...0-off-Shea-Island-below-average-height-Apr-96

 

[Laughing]

OT:

My tonsils were removed in Norwalk Hospital in 1969.

Mitchel Weiser?

Mitchel & Bonnie

NY - NY - Mitchel Weiser, 16, & Bonita Bickwit, 15, Narrowsburg, 27 July 1973

Tight timeframe, for sure, but -- he's missing on July 27, 1973.

JMHO YMMV LRR

 

[MadMcGoo]

OT:

My tonsils were removed in Norwalk Hospital in 1969.

Mitchel Weiser?

Mitchel & Bonnie

NY - NY - Mitchel Weiser, 16, & Bonita Bickwit, 15, Narrowsburg, 27 July 1973

Tight timeframe, for sure, but -- he's missing on July 27, 1973.

JMHO YMMV LRR

Interesting possibility! I think the only way for it to work is if someone got the date of disappearance wrong for Mitchel. It seems pretty solid, but lord knows we’ve seen bigger mistakes in reported information.

I’d like to think Bonnie and Mitchel ran off and lived a happy life someplace. It beats the alternative.

 

[madamx]

Rule outs on NamUs, last updated September 2013:

Myron Alberding 1944 New York
Lyndal Ashby 1938 Kentucky
David Bacon 1946 New York
Michael Burnett 1956 California
Roger Carlson 1939 California
Steven Chait 1951 New York
Ronald Cole 1945 California
James Egan 1954 Wisconsin
Joseph Halpern 1910 Colorado
Raymond Harris 1951 Nebraska
Dermot Kelly 1955 Illinois
John Lake 1930 New York
Roger Madison 1953 California
Edward Maps 1938 Pennsylvania
Thomas Meuse 1956 New York
Gregory Mitchell 1965 Florida
Darrel Nichols 1953 Utah
Norman Prater 1956 Texas
Derran Rogers 1959 California
George Tonsgard 1927 Alaska
David Waggoner 1947 Texas
John Wagner 1951 Missouri
Christopher Wells 1956 Washington

Wow this guy actually has a lot of rule outs
Bump bump bump

 

[YaYa_521]

Updated link:
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

24 exclusions: (same list as above)

Myron Alberding 1944 New York
Lyndal Ashby 1938 Kentucky
David Bacon 1946 New York
Michael Burnett 1956 California
Roger Carlson 1939 California
Steven Chait 1951 New York
Ronald Cole 1945 California
James Egan 1954 Wisconsin
Joseph Halpern 1910 Colorado
Raymond Harris 1951 Nebraska
Dermot Kelly 1955 Illinois
John Lake 1930 New York
Roger Madison 1953 California
Edward Maps 1938 Pennsylvania
Thomas Meuse 1956 New York
Gregory Mitchell 1965 Florida
Warren Niederfringer 1948 Connecticut
Darrel Nichols 1953 Utah
Norman Prater 1956 Texas
Derran Rogers 1959 California
George Tonsgard 1927 Alaska
David Waggoner 1947 Texas
John Wagner 1951 Missouri
Christopher Wells 1956 Washington

 

[dotr]

Subscribing with a re post, this poor soul has been uid for so long now, maybe suggest to Othram?
rbbm.

1973 Cold Case: Norwalk Police Seek Help Identifying Victim

On July 27, 1973, an unidentified man was discovered floating face down in Charles Creek in Norwalk.

patch.com

''NORWALK, CT - On July 27, 1973, an unidentified man was discovered floating face down in Charles Creek in Norwalk, and now nearly 43 years later the police department is seeking the public's help in closing the cold case.
The man was described as a white male between the ages of 30 and 35, 5’10’’ tall, 175 pound and with reddish-brown hair.
"Male was wearing a Cranbury colored 'Grooves' brand pull over shirt-size medium; 'Levis' brand gray trousers; size 30, Fruit of the Loom underpants. No jewelry or other personal paperwork," stated Lt. Art Weisgerber.

A passerby discovered the body at 6:50 a.m., "in the area of the Rex Marine Yacht Club docks in Charles Creek off of Beach Road." observed a white male floating in the water face down.
The body was transported to the Norwalk Hospital Morgue, and an autopsy was performed, but due to the state of decomposition, facial identification was not possible. However, the decomposition aided medical officials who performed the autopsy in estimating that the date of death was sometime between July 20 and July 23, 1973.''

 

[dotr]

This caught my eye, still looking for a link with more details (height/weight ect)to start a thread for the mp, and to compare to this uid.
2013 rbbm.

Boat of Northern NY business man missing since '73 found submerged near Oswego

Paul "Preston" Zerwas vanished while delivering the vessel from Clayton to Oswego.

www.syracuse.com

''CLAYTON, N.Y. (AP) — Shipwreck hunters say they've found the sunken houseboat of a northern New York businessman who disappeared during a trip on Lake Ontario 40 years ago.''

The men say the registration number matches that of a houseboat that disappeared in September 1973. Paul "Preston" Zerwas vanished while delivering the vessel from Clayton, on the St. Lawrence River in Jefferson County, to Oswego to trade it for another boat.

The president of a Clayton shipyard was 32 when he disappeared. His body was never found.''

Zerwas Houseboat Shipwreck

House boat lost in 1973 while being piloted by Preston Zerwas. Preston and the boat disappeared en-route from Clayton to Oswego NY.

www.shipwreckstories.com

 

[Laughing]

@othram

 

[dotr]

This caught my eye, still looking for a link with more details (height/weight ect)to start a thread for the mp, and to compare to this uid.
2013 rbbm.

Boat of Northern NY business man missing since '73 found submerged near Oswego

Paul "Preston" Zerwas vanished while delivering the vessel from Clayton to Oswego.

www.syracuse.com

''CLAYTON, N.Y. (AP) — Shipwreck hunters say they've found the sunken houseboat of a northern New York businessman who disappeared during a trip on Lake Ontario 40 years ago.''

The men say the registration number matches that of a houseboat that disappeared in September 1973. Paul "Preston" Zerwas vanished while delivering the vessel from Clayton, on the St. Lawrence River in Jefferson County, to Oswego to trade it for another boat.

The president of a Clayton shipyard was 32 when he disappeared. His body was never found.''

Zerwas Houseboat Shipwreck

House boat lost in 1973 while being piloted by Preston Zerwas. Preston and the boat disappeared en-route from Clayton to Oswego NY.

www.shipwreckstories.com

ETA.
Dates don't quite correlate, but leaving it here just in case!
Started a thread..

NY - NY- Paul “Preston” Zerwas, 32, last seen delivering houseboat, Vincent Marina, St. Lawrence River, to Oswego, 14 Sept 1973 *Boat found 2012*

https://www.the-leader.com/story/news/state/2013/05/08/boat-clayton-man-missing-since/44434997007/ 2013 ''Shipwreck hunters say they’ve found the sunken houseboat of a northern New York businessman who disappeared during a trip on Lake Ontario 40 years ago. Daniel Scoville and Christopher...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Laughing]

Our friend Google Maps indicates over a 4 hour drive from Oswego, NY to Norwalk:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Oswego,+NY/Norwalk,+CT/@41.7819854,-76.0221246,7.29z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d762e4614aaa11:0xdc339f8ec30066ea!2m2!1d-76.5104973!2d43.4553461!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e81c4a9c36c5b9:0x5dfa2209bc49d58d!2m2!1d-73.4081575!2d41.117744

I do like the idea!

 

[digitective]

Maybe John Corbett?
35 years old, 5'9" - 5'10", 130 - 150 lbs, "small build," brown hair
Missing from Rochester, NY (357 miles away) since 7/1/72

Updated link for John Corbett, since the previous one I posted now goes to a spam site.

 

[madamx]

Updated link for John Corbett, since the previous one I posted now goes to a spam site.

Was john submitted I never saw him on the ruleouts list.

 

[digitective]

Was john submitted I never saw him on the ruleouts list.

I didn’t submit him but if y’all think it looks like a potentially good match, I can!