DNA solves Colorado girl's 1993 abduction/murder

[BBB167893]

UGh, what friends?

You know who I'm talking about. The Wrecking Crew over at CS, the ones who couldn't HACK IT here at WS.

I think you are a little paranoid. I treat you with the respect just as you give me.

Don't change the subject. I let you sidestep too much of what I have to say. Not this time.

 

[Roy23]

You know who I'm talking about. The Wrecking Crew over at CS, the ones who couldn't HACK IT here at WS.



Don't change the subject. I let you sidestep too much of what I have to say. Not this time.

Chill out Dave. You don't have anything more to say to me and I don't have anything to sidestep. I am pretty comfortable in saying LE is looking for an intruder. I also feel very confident in the DNA evidence that they have. As far as CS is concerned, I am not like in a club or anything. I don't really want to air CS stuff here, it is not fair to Tricia.

We can only wait and see man.

 

[BBB167893]

Chill out Dave.

Don't tell me to "chill out," pilgrim. Time may be eternal, but my patience is not. And it's been used up.

You don't have anything more to say to me and I don't have anything to sidestep.

But you just did.

I am pretty comfortable in saying LE is looking for an intruder. I also feel very confident in the DNA evidence that they have.

Yes, you've made that quite clear.

As far as CS is concerned, I am not like in a club or anything.

Well, for better or worse, I am. You claim I have nothing to offer you. Well, far as I'm concerned, none of them have anything to offer me, but the idea of leaving smurf, Jeeves, Hippo and the others to your mercies rubs me the wrong way.

I don't really want to air CS stuff here, it is not fair to Tricia.

I'm sure it isn't! I'll bet it isn't TRUE, either!

 

[DeeDee249]

Hey- I know who "Francis" is....."Stripes", right Roy?

 

[Roy23]

Hey- I know who "Francis" is....."Stripes", right Roy?

Yeah! Thats who i was referring to.

I just want to keep the peace around here. We disagreed yesterday, and will today. I still like reading here and I have no allusions that anyone will be changing anyone's mind. I also don't believe I have the power to solve this case.

And Big Dave wants to bring up another website that I read from. As does he. where is the Love?:crazy:

 

[wonderllama]

When people say "trust me, they're going to catch him"...it really is the same as someone saying "trust me, there's a God".

Faith is something reserved for something which cannot be proven, generally cos it isn't true in my opinion, so to try and evoke a similar blind trust in a case where there is plenty of evidence to the contrary...well...you know.

 

[BBB167893]

Yeah! Thats who i was referring to.

I never saw that one.

I just want to keep the peace around here. We disagreed yesterday, and will today. I still like reading here and I have no illusions that anyone will be changing anyone's mind.

Then wouldn't you agree that there's no reason not to talk about things?

I also don't believe I have the power to solve this case.

I believe it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have done as much as I have up to now. And it's high-time I went for the gusto.

And Big Dave wants to bring up another website that I read from. As does he. where is the Love?:crazy:

I haven't got much left!

 

[Roy23]

I never saw that one.



Then wouldn't you agree that there's no reason not to talk about things?



I believe it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have done as much as I have up to now. And it's high-time I went for the gusto.



I haven't got much left!

Dave,

Dont take this personal but two things.

1. Nobody who matters is listening to you or any of us. You can't do anything to help this case. Besides, and I know you disagree, they have a CODIS approved DNA in database and have told us it is important.

2. I wish we could discuss things. But until we agree on #1 above we are at a stale mate. I have read the other evidence, much of it outdated. And even the stuff that is true, has to again yes answer to #1 above.

Cynic's thoughts on the DNA were an interesting read until they debunked the myth with more corroborating DNA. As a matter fact you like to throw out the CSI effect. Deeming the fingernail DNA as tainted at this point is the CSI effect. Good ole fashion investigating has it sourced to the three other sources of DNA that they have in this case told us about. At least that is my opinion. And I also believe they got a lot more they haven't told us about.

 

[BBB167893]

Dave,

Dont take this personal but two things.

1. Nobody who matters is listening to you or any of us.

Even if I believed that, I plan to do my best to make sure they have no CHOICE.

You can't do anything to help this case.

I guess we'll find out pretty soon whether I can or not!

BTW, pilgrim: I don't know what you do for a living, but I sure hope you're not a motivational speaker!

Besides, and I know you disagree, they have a CODIS approved DNA in database and have told us it is important.

I'm a little wary considering who "they" is.

2. I wish we could discuss things. But until we agree on #1 above we are at a stale mate.

Why am I the one who has to concede things? I concede NOTHING.

I have read the other evidence, much of it outdated. And even the stuff that is true, has to again yes answer to #1 above.

Pardon me, but IDI is in no position to talk about things which are outdated. I'd be more than happy to get specific on that if you'd like.

As a matter fact you like to throw out the CSI effect. Deeming the fingernail DNA as tainted at this point is the CSI effect.

Eh? Wanna run that by me one more time, good buddy? How is deeming the fingernail DNA tainted the CSI effect? The CSI effect refers to the effect that shows like CSI have on the average person by presenting an unrealistic, almost magical depiction of how forensic science works. In turn, people start to believe that this is how it works in real life and that every case should be like that, and that circumstantial evidence, which is how MOST cases are solved up to now, is not real evidence because it's not the kind of evidence they expect. As a result, we get verdicts like Casey Anthony walking free. There was no "smoking gun" forensics against her, so that's it. In this particular case, (JBR) we had the added "bonus" of the CSI effect within the DA's office itself. Sc**w investigative work! Long live the double helix! Give me a break!

Pilgrim, I realize that this may come as a complete shock to some of those who read here, but there was a time when DNA analysis and all this other scientific wizardry did not exist, but police were still able to track down killers, prosecutors were still able to make cases, and juries were still able to apply common sense to the evidence before them. And you know what? It WORKED. Despite the contrarian ramblings of some, like the so-called "Innocence Project," our prisons were NOT overflowing with wrongly convicted innocent people. I hate to sound like some bitter old man complaining about how things were so much better "in my day," but it is what it is: no amount of hocus-pocus will ever take the place of good old-fashioned investigative work. If anything, the increasing overreliance on technology is a step BACKWARDS.

Good ole fashion investigating has it sourced to the three other sources of DNA that they have in this case told us about. At least that is my opinion.

Well, you're entitled to it, of course. Trouble is, it betrays an extreme misunderstanding of "good old-fashioned investigating!" You seem to be a bit confused as to what I mean when I talk about that, so I'll do you a favor and cut right to it.

Good old-fashioned investigating is NOT sitting around with a thumb up your butt and a big grin waiting for a DNA match that will never come. That's the part IDI really hates: this case HAD good old fashioned investigative work! The police worked their a**es off to get justice in this case. They ran down leads, even when they were ridiculous. They gathered the finest experts to guide them the right way. And perhaps most importantly, they knew what you need to get to solve a case like this. And it all led back to the SAME place.

And if you remember, they were hamstrung on every front by the same folks YOU have chosen to place your faith in.

Don't talk as if I don't understand these things, because I DO. That's the whole problem!

 

[Junebug99]

Results: Solved. Investigators taking a new look at the unsolved 1993 kidnapping and murder of 5-year-old Alie Berrelez matched a DNA sample to neighbor Nick Stofer — ending a saga for the little girl's family. As advancements in technology emerged, evidence gathered in the case has been re-submitted for additional testing and comparison, police said. On Feb. 8, 2011, several items of evidence were submitted to the CBI for new DNA testing. A CBI agent developed a complete DNA profile from an area of Alie’s underwear and from the waistband of her underwear. That DNA profile matched the DNA profile of Stofer. "We had to wait 18 years for forensic scienc

This sounds so familiar regarding DNA, sides of waistband and in her underwear, almost the same place where DNA was collected on JBR.

 

[Roy23]

Results: Solved. Investigators taking a new look at the unsolved 1993 kidnapping and murder of 5-year-old Alie Berrelez matched a DNA sample to neighbor Nick Stofer — ending a saga for the little girl's family. As advancements in technology emerged, evidence gathered in the case has been re-submitted for additional testing and comparison, police said. On Feb. 8, 2011, several items of evidence were submitted to the CBI for new DNA testing. A CBI agent developed a complete DNA profile from an area of Alie’s underwear and from the waistband of her underwear. That DNA profile matched the DNA profile of Stofer. "We had to wait 18 years for forensic scienc

This sounds so familiar regarding DNA, sides of waistband and in her underwear, almost the same place where DNA was collected on JBR.

Things that make you say hmmm, for $5000.00, Alex!