FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #26

[Going Rogue]

Some are saying they couldn't get into the devices.

The Adelson’s used ‘Gmail. If the 80k ‘emails’ are in fact emails, I doubt it has anything do with cracking the password to their IOS devices - Gmail emails are not stored in iCloud.. They could have easily gotten access to any of their Gmail emails via a subpoena to Google. SMS text messages are stored in iCloud, so that could possibly related to gaining access to the devices. My guess is they have had these emails for a long time and decided it was best to send to the defense to avoid a potential Brady violation.

 

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The Adelson’s used ‘Gmail. If the 80k ‘emails’ are in fact emails, I doubt it has anything do with cracking the password to their IOS devices - Gmail emails are not stored in iCloud.. They could have easily gotten access to any of their Gmail emails via a subpoena to Google. SMS text messages are stored in iCloud, so that could possibly related to gaining access to the devices. My guess is they have had these emails for a long time and decided it was best to send to the defense to avoid a potential Brady violation.

But why would they delay in handing over evidence they knew would have to be handed over? It would be worthless if the defence had not had access to it,

Perhaps this were emails from a secret account that only were accessed when they broke in to the various devices.

 

[Knitpicker]

Ah that makes sense. So they would have access to whatsapp, text messages too. Beautiful.

Not sure because it’s 80K emails I think they are releasing to the defense. No mention of texts.

 

[Knitpicker]

But why would they delay in handing over evidence they knew would have to be handed over? It would be worthless if the defence had not had access to it,

Perhaps this were emails from a secret account that only were accessed when they broke in to the various devices.

If I remember correctly there was one device (I think Harveys) that they couldn’t get into. Or maybe that was someone on a podcast and conjecture.
In Feb 2024 there was the new (latest) search warrant for info on Donnas phone. So yes, its been over a year.
Listening to opening arguments for KR, AJ mentions celebrite and the google searches attained. Hopefully the state has not only emails, texts, WhatsApp, but Donnas google searches related to the murder. Because they are going back to 2010.

 

[Going Rogue]

But why would they delay in handing over evidence they knew would have to be handed over? It would be worthless if the defence had not had access to it,

Perhaps this were emails from a secret account that only were accessed when they broke in to the various devices.

A newly discovered email account that was found AFTER the last trial was delayed is the only thing that makes sense to me. If they had 80k emails prior to Donnas delay, they were foolish not to add them to discovery. In an appeal it could be argued that there are exculpatory emails that the state didn’t share. I think this is just the state covering their a$$ and they should have submitted theses long ago.

I can just picture an email from Charlie “you didn’t do anything”. Even though it’s a lie, the defense can argue its proof they (Charlie & Donna) didn’t conspire – Brady violation. They are required to hand over any evidence that is exculpatory. In the example I gave, again even know it would be clear BS, it would be a Brady violation and grounds for a reversal – Ask Alec Baldwin. If the state has had these 80k emails for sometime, they should have turned them over a long time ago.

 

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If the state has had these 80k emails for sometime, they should have turned them over a long time ago.

I'm trying to see the logic in that. They would know handing over 80'000 emails 4 weeks out of the trial would end in a continuation. The State could go to trial yesterday. They've tried the same case 5 times prior. They don't need to be playing silly buggers.

 

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If I remember correctly there was one device (I think Harveys) that they couldn’t get into. Or maybe that was someone on a podcast and conjecture.
In Feb 2024 there was the new (latest) search warrant for info on Donnas phone. So yes, its been over a year.
Listening to opening arguments for KR, AJ mentions celebrite and the google searches attained. Hopefully the state has not only emails, texts, WhatsApp, but Donnas google searches related to the murder. Because they are going back to 2010.

Imagine DA's google searches. Dear Lord!

 

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You know what would be interesting is seeing the call logs and text messages as each person was arrested, SG, LR, KM and seeing how panicked the Adelsons were.

 

[Going Rogue]

I'm trying to see the logic in that. They would know handing over 80'000 emails 4 weeks out of the trial would end in a continuation. The State could go to trial yesterday. They've tried the same case 5 times prior. They don't need to be playing silly buggers.

Let’s put it in perspective. According to some ‘pundits’, a reversal in Charlie's appeal is a guarantee. Charlie’s appeal was filed at the same time (or just after?) Donna’s trial was delayed. Did the state properly mitigate their risk in Charlie trial? According to the experts – no they did not. IMO, as a result they are more cautious about what could potential bite them in the a$$ knowing Michael Ufferman will be looking at everything after Donna hires him. As per the example I gave you, one silly email from Charlie attempting to throw investigators off the trail is all that would be needed for a Brady violation.

 

[Ferpo]

New filings today.

1. State opposing a Continuation. (I don't think 30 minutes is going to be long enough for the upcoming hearing)
2. DA denied use of a digital forensics expert because of potential conflict of interest. (It sounds like they could use him if all parties agree?)
3. WA deposition cancelled.

 

[Knitpicker]

Let’s put it in perspective. According to some ‘pundits’, a reversal in Charlie's appeal is a guarantee. Charlie’s appeal was filed at the same time (or just after?) Donna’s trial was delayed. Did the state properly mitigate their risk in Charlie trial? According to the experts – no they did not. IMO, as a result they are more cautious about what could potential bite them in the a$$ knowing Michael Ufferman will be looking at everything after Donna hires him. As per the example I gave you, one silly email from Charlie attempting to throw investigators off the trail is all that would be needed for a Brady violation.

Just wanted to let you know that the southbeachgrandma account fo DA has been online for years. I found it and a few others she had (other than the one she shared with H), by doing just a simple search for D and H’s address-it was under a real estate listing with their condo. Prob close to 2.5 yrs ago, so I doubt the state found that one after Donnas arrest. Unless the state wasn’t looking at property of theirs.

 

[Going Rogue]

Just wanted to let you know that the southbeachgrandma account fo DA has been online for years. I found it and a few others she had (other than the one she shared with H), by doing just a simple search for D and H’s address-it was under a real estate listing with their condo. Prob close to 2.5 yrs ago, so I doubt the state found that one after Donnas arrest. Unless the state wasn’t looking at property of theirs.

The state didn’t know about that email account until after her arrest. I remember reading the search warrant that specifically stated it was discovered from Donna’s confiscated iPhone. I’m like 99% on that – I remember reading it and it would definitely have been uploaded to the docket. If you knew about that before the prosecutor’s office, you should have let them know

 

[Knitpicker]

The state didn’t know about that email account until after her arrest. I remember reading the search warrant that specifically stated it was discovered from Donna’s confiscated iPhone. I’m like 99% on that – I remember reading it and it would definitely have been uploaded to the docket. If you knew about that before the prosecutor’s office, you should have let them know

 

[Knitpicker]

@Going Rogue

Do you think the state never looked up their condo? So are ya laying a guilt trip on me?
That was never something I’d think the state would have missed.

How would I know they didn’t have it? It wasn’t as if I searched for it. It was just there. On the real estate page. I think there were more than 2 emails on that page, I’m thinking 3-4. I can see it in my head. Too bad I didn’t take a screenshot. I’ll try and look over my photos. Maybe I did.

 

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@Going Rogue

Do you think the state never looked up their condo? So are ya laying a guilt trip on me?
That was never something I’d think the state would have missed.

How would I know they didn’t have it? It wasn’t as if I searched for it. It was just there. On the real estate page. I think there were more than 2 emails on that page, I’m thinking 3-4. I can see it in my head. Too bad I didn’t take a screenshot. I’ll try and look over my photos. Maybe I did.

I just went to the docket. Here is the search warrant issued on April 26th of 2024 that I referenced. See page 4 and the 7th paragraph. I’m not sure if I’m interpreting it correctly, but it seems to imply the ‘second’ email address grandma1sobe@gmail.com was discovered from Donna's iPhone. I don’t think they knew of that email address prior to Donna’s arrest. I’m basing that comment on the verbiage in the attached search warrant. I’m open to hearing alternate interpretations.

Had you emailed Georgia 2.5 years ago, Wendi might have already been convicted!!!

 

[Knitpicker]

I just went to the docket. Here is the search warrant issued on April 26th of 2024 that I referenced. See page 4 and the 7th paragraph. I’m not sure if I’m interpreting it correctly, but it seems to imply the ‘second’ email address grandma1sobe@gmail.com was discovered from Donna's iPhone. I don’t think they knew of that email address prior to Donna’s arrest. I’m basing that comment on the verbiage in the attached search warrant. I’m open to hearing alternate interpretations.

Had you emailed Georgia 2.5 years ago, Wendi might have already been convicted!!!

Well theres at least one more. If I remember correctly. Maybe they knew about it and just didn’t have her devices to extract from?

 

[Going Rogue]

Well theres at least one more. If I remember correctly. Maybe they knew about it and just didn’t have her devices to extract from?

It’s a Gmail account, they didn’t need any of her devices to get the ‘content’. They found the 'second' address via the device (her iPhone) - not the 'content'. Gmail is a Google cloud email service and all info is stored on Google servers – all they needed was to issue a search warrant to Google - which is exactly what they did.

 

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So hypothetically if there is irrefutable proof in those emails that DA was involved in the conspiracy does she still go in to the trial pleading not guilty? I mean, the case is pretty much a slam dunk as it is and she's still trying to maintain complete innocence..

 

[Luna20]

So hypothetically if there is irrefutable proof in those emails that DA was involved in the conspiracy does she still go in to the trial pleading not guilty? I mean, the case is pretty much a slam dunk as it is and she's still trying to maintain complete innocence..

I wish but it ^ happens everyday. Even with video evidence they enter a Not guilty plea.

PDiddy is claiming that the video we all saw was altered and planted, even though he publicly and dramatically apologized for it.

Lori Daybell said she was on a mission from God.

Alec Baldwin said he didn’t point the gun.

And many more…

 

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I wish but it ^ happens everyday. Even with video evidence they enter a Not guilty plea.

PDiddy is claiming that the video we all saw was altered and planted, even though he publicly and dramatically apologized for it.

Lori Daybell said she was on a mission from God.

Alec Baldwin said he didn’t point the gun.

And many more…

I suppose they might as well roll the dice hey. No other choice.