FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen-Donna Adelson Upcoming Trial - *5 Guilty* #28

[Zedzded]

Seems the next time she used her phone would have been heading out the second time to ABC at 12:31-32 (Hypothetically). Where she wanted to document where she was.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense hey. At 11.44 she now suspects Dan is dead. Yet she doesn't touch her phone again until 12.27pm... She would be completely adrenalised, I can't imagine her not touching her phone unless she did not take it. So she drives to Trescott and if there are no police, she comes home and as far as cell tower information goes, she never left the house. That fits well. Her whole morning was a hive of activity, dozens of phone calls and texts and TV repairs and work. Then 30mins of silence. Something happened in that 30 minutes.

Be interesting to see if there was anything on her computer that shows she was at home.

 

[Knitpicker]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense hey. At 11.44 she now suspects Dan is dead. Yet she doesn't touch her phone again until 12.27pm... She would be completely adrenalised, I can't imagine her not touching her phone unless she did not take it. So she drives to Trescott and if there are no police, she comes home and as far as cell tower information goes, she never left the house. That fits well. Her whole morning was a hive of activity, dozens of phone calls and texts and TV repairs and work. Then 30mins of silence. Something happened in that 30 minutes.

Be interesting to see if there was anything on her computer that shows she was at home.

Yes. Actually 45 minutes of silence. From the call to Jeannine at 11:43 until 11:27 -Joe Davis

Right-I mentioned the computer- supposedly she was sending some paperwork for citations to the librarian at FSU.

 

[Knitpicker]

LR's word, alone, is insufficient. So unless both he and Km can confirm that's what she said I don't think it means much. Unless of course there is phone data to show the train car call history.

Was WA's phone off for a period of time?

Right. Its he said she said. The phone location was only after she left at 12:30.
But her denial was to protect an Adelson imo.
Someone would have had to call her to let her know and she wasn’t expecting Luis to overhear her.

I really don’t have the stomach to go back over 4 trials of Corbitts testimony!
I was looking forward to Marcia Rodriguez’s testimony at Donnas trial.
We haven’t seen her since KM’s 2nd trial.
She is the digital expert. Probably more for what is in the phone vs where the phone was (Corbitts job).
We just have to wait and see.

 

[Zedzded]

Yes. Actually 45 minutes of silence. From the call to Jeannine at 11:43 until 12:27 -Joe Davis

Right-I mentioned the computer- supposedly she was sending some paperwork for citations to the librarian at FSU.

That's so suspicious. Her ex has been shot dead and she's chilling at home... as soon as he didn't answer his phone she would have been racing out the door.

 

[Weki]

Yes! The proffer interview with Katie was so bad. They seemed to have very little patience with her. Sanford admits he walked out out of frustration at one point. No one was in the mood to coddle Katie by then. They had already convicted her and she was sentenced to life. I don’t blame them for being sick of her by that point - recall - she had to be tried twice. She was the one that was supposed to try to cajole them not the other way around. But either she’s too arrogant or too stupid to realize that.

I will say, however, Katie was instrumental in convicting Donna imo. Her testimony that Donna dropped off the money was big.

There is no way Katie could’ve known it was done before Sigfredo called her. I think that’s another one of Rivera’s inconsistencies.

JMO

 

[Mysticeilis]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense hey. At 11.44 she now suspects Dan is dead. Yet she doesn't touch her phone again until 12.27pm... She would be completely adrenalised, I can't imagine her not touching her phone unless she did not take it. So she drives to Trescott and if there are no police, she comes home and as far as cell tower information goes, she never left the house. That fits well. Her whole morning was a hive of activity, dozens of phone calls and texts and TV repairs and work. Then 30mins of silence. Something happened in that 30 minutes.

Be interesting to see if there was anything on her computer that shows she was at home.

What about garage door opening data? Was her car in the garage and the door opened and closed around noon - which could indicate a “first trip”? What about car data info for being turned on? She could VERY likely leave her phone at home.

 

[ch_13]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense hey. At 11.44 she now suspects Dan is dead. Yet she doesn't touch her phone again until 12.27pm... She would be completely adrenalised, I can't imagine her not touching her phone unless she did not take it. So she drives to Trescott and if there are no police, she comes home and as far as cell tower information goes, she never left the house. That fits well. Her whole morning was a hive of activity, dozens of phone calls and texts and TV repairs and work. Then 30mins of silence. Something happened in that 30 minutes.

Be interesting to see if there was anything on her computer that shows she was at home.

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this whole two trip thing. The theory would mean she constructed this elaborate alibi: Best Buy repairman, constant phone calls on the way to the liquor store, etc. But right in the middle, just at the time of the murder, there's this 45 minute gap where there's no record of where she is. IMO, Wendi's number one goal was self-preservation, so I just can't believe she would expose herself in that way.

And then if I understand this theory correctly, her plan was to go to the scene of the murder without her phone, see Dan lying dead, and then leave without notifying the cops and return home. She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter.

It just makes no sense.


Edit - Let me add that oftentimes we hear about the police work that produces a fruitful result. But we often don't hear about the work that's done to eliminate other possibilities. So, for example we know they used bus cams and other CCTV footage to track Luis and Sigfredo's car as it drove through Tallahassee. Did it ever occur to you that they probably also did the same with Wendi's car? But it hasn't come up in testimony because they didn't find any evidence of this other trip.

 

[Knitpicker]

That's so suspicious. Her ex has been shot dead and she's chilling at home... as soon as he didn't answer his phone she would have been racing out the door.

If you go back to the first time she mentions what time she left her house..

Isom - So you tell me what time you left your house this morning.

WA: I was there- I didn’t leave this morning until NOON…Oh my god and I tried to drive up Trescott and it was blocked!

 

[Zedzded]

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this whole two trip thing. The theory would mean she constructed this elaborate alibi: Best Buy repairman, constant phone calls on the way to the liquor store, etc. But right in the middle, just at the time of the murder, there's this 45 minute gap where there's no record of where she is. IMO, Wendi's number one goal was self-preservation, so I just can't believe she would expose herself in that way.

And then if I understand this theory correctly, her plan was to go to the scene of the murder without her phone, see Dan lying dead, and then leave without notifying the cops and return home. She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter.

It just makes no sense.


Edit - Let me add that oftentimes we hear about the police work that produces a fruitful result. But we often don't hear about the work that's done to eliminate other possibilities. So, for example we know they used bus cams and other CCTV footage to track Luis and Sigfredo's car as it drove through Tallahassee. Did it ever occur to you that they probably also did the same with Wendi's car? But it hasn't come up in testimony because they didn't find any evidence of this other trip.

I'm open to both scenarios 1 trip, two trip. She's extremely reckless, ill disciplined and impulsive. When she phoned Dan at 11.44am and he didn't answer, she would have been bouncing off the walls. 1 trip theory says she just stayed at home for 45mins and didn't touch her phone. You could argue she was being controlled, doing the smart thing, but then why drive past the crime scene.

If self-preservation was at the forefront of her mind, she would never have gone past the crime scene. She would have avoided it altogether. Go to lunch and then await a phone call re Dan. She has alibiied herself for the entire day.

She never meant to make two trips and she never meant to go to ABC liquor at that time. The police seeing her changed that and turned it into 2 trips. That's why she started panic dialing at 12.27pm, so she could use her cell phone data as an alibi. The police had 3 fixed points for her phone:

12.31pm - leaving Aqua Ridge
12.35pm on Centreville
12.46pm arrives ABC

That puts her in the clear. But if she had her phone off or left at home then they have nothing to show she took a first trip.

If those calls from 12.27pm were innocent, why did not she get off the phone when she saw the roadblock? You're chatting to your friend about the weather, see a dozen emergency vehicles outside your ex's house (and he has the kids) and you stay on the phone discussing said weather??

"She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter."

I'm not sure what you mean? She did go there.

 

[Zedzded]

WA: I was there- I didn’t leave this morning until NOON.

Yeah I heard that. But don't give it much attention. She could be mistaken herself, so we'd need something more. Cell phone towers get a signal when a phone is powered off and when it's powered back on and handshakes with the tower. Be interested to know what WA's phone was doing 11.45-12.27pm.

 

[Knitpicker]

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this whole two trip thing. The theory would mean she constructed this elaborate alibi: Best Buy repairman, constant phone calls on the way to the liquor store, etc. But right in the middle, just at the time of the murder, there's this 45 minute gap where there's no record of where she is. IMO, Wendi's number one goal was self-preservation, so I just can't believe she would expose herself in that way.

And then if I understand this theory correctly, her plan was to go to the scene of the murder without her phone, see Dan lying dead, and then leave without notifying the cops and return home. She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter.

It just makes no sense.


Edit - Let me add that oftentimes we hear about the police work that produces a fruitful result. But we often don't hear about the work that's done to eliminate other possibilities. So, for example we know they used bus cams and other CCTV footage to track Luis and Sigfredo's car as it drove through Tallahassee. Did it ever occur to you that they probably also did the same with Wendi's car? But it hasn't come up in testimony because they didn't find any evidence of this other trip.

It’s my theory not Zedzded’s.

What you listed wasn’t a plan, it was a default bc of her seeing the crime tape and being seen by Brannon. (And how you listed it isn’t really what I was getting at -maybe you can go back to my comments for the details)

As I said above, she had no plans to go to ABC until she saw the crime scene.
Then she NEEDED a reason to have driven by the Dans so she decided tp go to ABC since Dans was on the way and it became an excuse.

I’m not saying this is for sure what happened.
It became a thought when trying to justify why originally she said she left the house at NOON and then it became around 12:32.
I had remembered with Isom she said noon.

It is to fill in the gap of time between 12 and 12:32.

Yes Wendi is very smart. Why would she have said NOON if she left he house at 12:32?
Because she did leave around noon, the first time. (Probably closer to after she called Dan at 11:42 and he didnt answer.
And after she called Jeannine ONE MINUTE later to make last minute lunch plans.

The second time she left her house was about 12:32 and during the trials that became the ONLY time that was used.
Because it was true.

 

[Knitpicker]

I'm open to both scenarios 1 trip, two trip. She's extremely reckless, ill disciplined and impulsive. When she phoned Dan at 11.44am and he didn't answer, she would have been bouncing off the walls. 1 trip theory says she just stayed at home for 45mins and didn't touch her phone. You could argue she was being controlled, doing the smart thing, but then why drive past the crime scene.

If self-preservation was at the forefront of her mind, she would never have gone past the crime scene. She would have avoided it altogether. Go to lunch and then await a phone call re Dan. She has alibiied herself for the entire day.

She never meant to make two trips and she never meant to go to ABC liquor at that time. The police seeing her changed that and turned it into 2 trips. That's why she started panic dialing at 12.27pm, so she could use her cell phone data as an alibi. The police had 3 fixed points for her phone:

12.31pm - leaving Aqua Ridge
12.35pm on Centreville
12.46pm arrives ABC

That puts her in the clear. But if she had her phone off or left at home then they have nothing to show she took a first trip.

If those calls from 12.27pm were innocent, why did not she get off the phone when she saw the roadblock? You're chatting to your friend about the weather, see a dozen emergency vehicles outside your ex's house (and he has the kids) and you stay on the phone discussing said weather??

"She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter."

I'm not sure what you mean? She did go there.

Lol people are challenging you when it was my theory!!

She was on the phone with Jeff S from when she left her house at 12:31 for 16 minutes, (until she got to ABC) then perhaps she hung up on him, bc he called her back at 12:27 (bought the Bourbon at 12:48-(receipt). If she would have said “I’m buying something I’ll call you back-I doubt he would have called her back as soon as they disconnected-but she ignored his call and called him after she paid.
-called him back after the purchase and was on the phone with him until about 1:10. (And was late to lunch)

So yes she was on the phone with him the entire drive to ABC until a minute before she paid for the bourbon.
If my theory is correct.

PS the 12:46 is not when she arrived at ABC.
It takes about 12 minutes from her house to ABC-so it would be about 12:43 or so when she arrives.
Then she asks the boy where the Bulleit is, he comments about her eyes, she pays at 12:48

 

[Knitpicker]

What about garage door opening data? Was her car in the garage and the door opened and closed around noon - which could indicate a “first trip”? What about car data info for being turned on? She could VERY likely leave her phone at home.

I do not have a tracking system of when my garage door was opened and closed. And I have a new computerized key pad system.

Not sure they even would have thought of tracking her car as Isom admits he did not think she was a suspect -so thats something that would never have been done if possible.

She did get keys for her front door made-if you remember that. So anyone entering her house would use the front door.

 

[Going Rogue]

It’s my theory not Zedzded’s.

What you listed wasn’t a plan, it was a default bc of her seeing the crime tape and being seen by Brannon. (And how you listed it isn’t really what I was getting at -maybe you can go back for the details)

As I said above, she had no plans to go to ABC until she saw the crime scene.
Then she NEEDED a reason to have driven by the Dans so she decided tp go to ABC since Dans was on the way and it became an excuse.

I’m not saying this is for sure what happened.
It became a thought when trying to justify why originally she said she left he house at NOON and then it became around 12:32.
I had remembered with Isom she said noon.

It is to fill in the gap of time between 12 and 12:32.

Yes Wendi is very smart. Why would she have said NOON if she left he house at 12:32?

You are treating certain general statements about timeframes as if they were an exact science, when they are not. For example, Wendi said she left at noon, but the data shows she left at around 12:27pm. Based on this discrepancy, you believe she must be hiding something (like a second trip), when she was just providing a general timeframe. Minor time discrepancies are common when people recall past events, and while is isn’t always irrelevant, timeframes aren’t an exact science. For instance, in Isom’s recent interview, he said he arrived at the restaurant at 1:15pm and approached Wendi, had a brief conversation with her about the “incident,” and stated that she willingly left with him for questioning. However, it would have been impossible for Wendi to have eaten her “whole delicious lunch” by 1:15pm when we know she arrived at the restaurant after 1:00pm—correct? Isom is clearly providing an inaccurate timeline here. Was he lying to protect Wendi somehow? Obviously not, so why do you take other minor time discrepancies and build elaborate theories around them? Can you give a reason why Isom is making the claim he got to the restaurant at 1:15pm?

 

[Wishbone]

You are treating certain general statements about timeframes as if they were an exact science, when they are not. For example, Wendi said she left at noon, but the data shows she left at around 12:27pm. Based on this discrepancy, you believe she must be hiding something (like a second trip), when she was just providing a general timeframe. Minor time discrepancies are common when people recall past events, and while is isn’t always irrelevant, timeframes aren’t an exact science. For instance, in Isom’s recent interview, he said he arrived at the restaurant at 1:15pm and approached Wendi, had a brief conversation with her about the “incident,” and stated that she willingly left with him for questioning. However, it would have been impossible for Wendi to have eaten her “whole delicious lunch” by 1:15pm when we know she arrived at the restaurant after 1:00pm—correct? Isom is clearly providing an inaccurate timeline here. Was he lying to protect Wendi somehow? Obviously not, so why do you take other minor time discrepancies and build elaborate theories around them? Can you give a reason why Isom is making the claim he got to the restaurant at 1:15pm?

She knew and she had to see for herself the job was done. As CA said, “SHE JUST COULDN'T HELP HERSELF”no matter what the exact time was it's enough for me. It screams conscienceness of guilt to me just like demented mama's one way ticket. JMOO

 

[ch_13]

"She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter."

I'm not sure what you mean? She did go there.

As I understood the theory* that's been proposed, Wendi went by Trescott around noon, when she wasn't on the phone with anyone and didn't even have the phone in her car so she has no alibi during that time period. If someone saw her car at that time, it would point to her as the shooter.

However, the evidence that's been presented at trial is that she went by Trescott at 12:30-ish while she was on the phone with someone from the U.K. So even if the police hadn't yet arrived and someone spotted her car, she would still have an alibi since she obviously couldn't have shot Dan while in mid-conversation with her friend.

*And note, I never said whose theory it was or wasn't.

 

[Going Rogue]

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this whole two trip thing. The theory would mean she constructed this elaborate alibi: Best Buy repairman, constant phone calls on the way to the liquor store, etc. But right in the middle, just at the time of the murder, there's this 45 minute gap where there's no record of where she is. IMO, Wendi's number one goal was self-preservation, so I just can't believe she would expose herself in that way.

And then if I understand this theory correctly, her plan was to go to the scene of the murder without her phone, see Dan lying dead, and then leave without notifying the cops and return home. She had no reason for being there, so if anyone caught a glimpse of her or her car than it sure would look like she was the shooter.

It just makes no sense.


Edit - Let me add that oftentimes we hear about the police work that produces a fruitful result. But we often don't hear about the work that's done to eliminate other possibilities. So, for example we know they used bus cams and other CCTV footage to track Luis and Sigfredo's car as it drove through Tallahassee. Did it ever occur to you that they probably also did the same with Wendi's car? But it hasn't come up in testimony because they didn't find any evidence of this other trip.

You are missing a little in your interpretation. She never planned a second trip, she only decided to go on the second trip because she was spotted. After she was spotted, her quick thought was to immediately go back home and get her cell phone and go back on second trip. Prior to being spotted, she had no plan to go to ABC, but because she was spotted, she used ABC as the reason for being in the area--the quick thinker she is. Also, her plan was to go home after the first trip and shower, but because she was spotted, she needed to make that second trip and that threw a wrench in the showering plans.

Does it make better sense now?

 

[Teche]

They were calling them Adelson before the murder! 2 weeks before.

I’m surprised that the school/daycare didn’t require a birth certificate to enroll.

 

[Knitpicker]

You are treating certain general statements about timeframes as if they were an exact science, when they are not. For example, Wendi said she left at noon, but the data shows she left at around 12:27pm. Based on this discrepancy, you believe she must be hiding something (like a second trip), when she was just providing a general timeframe. Minor time discrepancies are common when people recall past events, and while is isn’t always irrelevant, timeframes aren’t an exact science. For instance, in Isom’s recent interview, he said he arrived at the restaurant at 1:15pm and approached Wendi, had a brief conversation with her about the “incident,” and stated that she willingly left with him for questioning. However, it would have been impossible for Wendi to have eaten her “whole delicious lunch” by 1:15pm when we know she arrived at the restaurant after 1:00pm—correct? Isom is clearly providing an inaccurate timeline here. Was he lying to protect Wendi somehow? Obviously not, so why do you take other minor time discrepancies and build elaborate theories around them? Can you give a reason why Isom is making the claim he got to the restaurant at 1:15pm?

I think you are skirting around what I have said.
When she said she was home in the morning until noon-those are her words not anyone else’s.
Yes it is truth that she left at 12:32 or so also. (The phone pings prove it)
So both are true statements.
Just one has been lost over time.

Wouldn’t you say that a witnesses first account is usually the correct one?

There will be no way to prove that she made a first trip prior to what has “evolved” to be her only trip at 12:32 ,so I am sure the state is one step ahead of my thinking! And the only account we have to go by is her FIRST account which was with Isom.
I believe that what she is saying is the truth. That may be the first time lol

And we will just have to wait with bated breath to see what is revealed at her trial.
Are you a betting man?

 

[Knitpicker]

Yeah I heard that. But don't give it much attention. She could be mistaken herself, so we'd need something more. Cell phone towers get a signal when a phone is powered off and when it's powered back on and handshakes with the tower. Be interested to know what WA's phone was doing 11.45-12.27pm.

Maybe taking a nap at home…In between a flurry of calls before and after…