GUILTY GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #5

[wasnt_me]

You'll notice that the poster I was responding to also said s/he doesn't know whether Arbery was jogging.

None of us knows what he was doing. That's a fact. I'm not sure why me saying it means anything.

 

[wasnt_me]

Of course I do.

Then what was he doing?

 

[JayWill]

I am very clearly saying that the reason the defense attorney mentioned his clothes and the state of his nails was to refute the narrative that he was jogging through the neighborhood. I don't know why he needs to be jogging for the defendants to be guilty.

With respect, you have repeatedly tried to prove that he was not jogging and by implication he was involved in some criminal activity or planning the same. Why is it so important to deny that he was jogging?

 

[branmuffin]

The original comment that I replied to:

That applies to me too, I don’t know why AA kept going there. And we only know he kept going there from previous security camera footage. I don’t think the jury suspects he was getting a drink of water, studying architecture or enjoying the lakeside view in the middle of the night.

I would genuinely like to know what kept drawing him back. He was familiar enough with that house to know there was nothing left to steal, so no I don’t think that’s why he kept returning.

Are you projecting your own feelings onto the jurors? I can only say that as one of thousands of individuals who have inspected construction sites because of an innate curiosity I find it a bit chilling that so many people attach so many negative connotations to it. I don't know where you live but it is not uncommon where I have lived.

My parents were Sunday drive aficionados. They loved nothing more than getting in the car and driving aimlessly through areas they weren't familiar with to check out the scenery, the homes, etc. Invariably, they got lost.

They'd meander up and down country roads until it was quite obvious they needed help. (This was before cellphones and GPS, not that they could have figured out the latter). The solution to their problem was driving up to a home, usually in a remote area, and ask the homeowner how to get back to a familiar area. Sometimes, they were given the directions, sometimes the homeowner got in their own vehicles and guided them back to where they needed to be. Never were they ever viewed as suspicious and treated in a manner that would have alarmed them.

I mention that last part because several years ago, I related this story on a WS thread, and was surprised by a few individuals who had said they may have answered the door with weapons drawn. That their immediate reaction was a threat was upon them. Unless invited onto their property, they would have been treated as threatening.

So I thought a couple of things after reading those responses. One was, what creates such a response that they would greet a perfect stranger with such fear and suspicion? And second, that if we had moved to the US instead of Canada from the UK, my parents would probably be dead.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That's what I think also. And I'd like to see these toenails because, for one, maybe he just missed a week of clipping. Two, maybe what's long to her might not be long to some, and three, like you said, long toenails -- and certainly not dirty toenails -- have nothing to do with jogging.

I have seen some men with some raggedy feet, let me tell you, but that didn't mean they weren't running 5Ks. Well, actually, and women for that matter. And I will say that right now -- today -- I could NOT be considered a victim, I guess, because I have not been to the nail shop for like a month.

I have toenails that would scare children. They're not dirty or particularly long or anything--they're just scary looking.

 

[wasnt_me]

As the defense keeps saying, it was pitch dark that Feb 11 night. Outside & inside. We're not talking lit up by neon or city street lights there, as the LEO's body cam demonstrated. There is zero possibility Travis saw AA anywhere but plainly in view in the front yard, just before he calmly strolled on into the unfinished, open construction site, as Travis went running home to get daddy & his gun.

Right. I don't like that. Pitch black. They acted like it was in the depths of the ocean. Speaking of which, I'm not sure, but doesn't the moon provide a lot of light, especially when it's full and over water?

 

[wasnt_me]

I have toenails that would scare children. They're not dirty or particularly long or anything--they're just scary looking.

Ha! Ha! Toenail confession night. I love it!

I probably need to cut mine right now, but I'm gonna ignore it and keep posting....

 

[Hope4More]

I have toenails that would scare children. They're not dirty or particularly long or anything--they're just scary looking.

Thanks for sharing?

 

[wasnt_me]

Are you projecting your own feelings onto the jurors? I can only say that as one of thousands of individuals who have inspected construction sites because of an innate curiosity I find it a bit chilling that so many people attach so many negative connotations to it. I don't know where you live but it is not uncommon where I have lived.

My parents were Sunday drive aficionados. They loved nothing more than getting in the car and driving aimlessly through areas they weren't familiar with to check out the scenery, the homes, etc. Invariably, they got lost.

They'd meander up and down country roads until it was quite obvious they needed help. (This was before cellphones and GPS, not that they could have figured out the latter). The solution to their problem was driving up to a home, usually in a remote area, and ask the homeowner how to get back to a familiar area. Sometimes, they were given the directions, sometimes the homeowner got in their own vehicles and guided them back to where they needed to be. Never were they ever viewed as suspicious and treated in a manner that would have alarmed them.

I mention that last part because several years ago, I related this story on a WS thread, and was surprised by a few individuals who had said they may have answered the door with weapons drawn. That their immediate reaction was a threat was upon them. Unless invited onto their property, they would have been treated as threatening.

So I thought a couple of things after reading those responses. One was, what creates such a response that they would greet a perfect stranger with such fear and suspicion? And second, that if we had moved to the US instead of Canada from the UK, my parents would probably be dead.

I think it's a natural question that some jurors are going to have, especially if they have not been given alternative reasons for him to be there. I was expressing that concern myself and worried that the jurors would adopt the defense narrative with a lack of another to consider. That was before I realized that they'd heard about the jogging.

Of course, there are some who might doubt the jogging alternative to burglary. And there are some who won't believe either because, while they don't believe he was jogging, it still makes no sense that AA kept going back to a place to "burgle" after seeing -- what? at least 4 times -- that there's nothing he can steal. More times if you count that neighbor's daughter who saw him there on a Sunday afternoon. I think AA was probably there a lot more than they know because either he was monitoring the construction on the house, using that neighborhood as a jogging route, or both. Some believe neither, but don't think he was burglarizing, either.

Maybe he was singularly interested in the construction of that house. I don't know. Maybe he was using jogging as a release from his problems and then he found this house, and it piqued his curiosity, so he kept coming to check it out. I don't know.

What I do know is this:

1. He didn't bring a bag or a flashlight.
2. He didn't pick up or touch anything on video
3. He didn't leave with anything, not even a nail.
4. No one can prove when and where the stuff off the boat was stolen. So that a moot point.

So I don't believe that burglary was his motive even though I do not know why he was there. Jogging is reasonable. Checking out the construction is also reasonable. I think more important than any narrative of why he was there is the one thing we can reasonably say he wasn't doing -- burglary.

 

[Lilibet]

He doesn't have the right shorts on, the right shirt on, the right toenail length, or the right skin color, apparently.

Yup. Some bend themselves into pretzels to imply that AA just had to be guilty of something that justified murdering him. None of these things would even be mentioned as issues if he was white. Of course he wouldn’t be dead either.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yup. Some bend themselves into pretzels to imply that AA just had to be guilty of something that justified murdering him. None of these things would even be mentioned as issues if he was white. Of course he wouldn’t be dead either.

Yes, exactly, and that's what makes me uncomfortable about people focusing on what he was doing there instead of what he wasn't doing there -- which was committing crimes that the McMichaels had purview to arrest him for.

 

[kaen]

Mr. Arbery was known to run on a regular basis. The fact that his journey in his life was complicated is not an uncommon narrative. He was a young man who was working jobs to make it through-- about to start an electrician training program. For whatever reason that he choose to jog through this neighborhood and check out this house we will never know because he was hunted down by these alleged murderers. Many people are continually questioning why he did x or y. I continue to question why these murderers chose to confront him rather than hang back and wait for the police. No one was in danger. They created the danger by chasing him and forcing a confrontation. They are hot headed---for some reason. I think I know the reason and it is something that this whole trial has been very careful to dance around.

 

[wasnt_me]

Mr. Arbery was known to run on a regular basis. The fact that his journey in his life was complicated is not an uncommon narrative. He was a young man who was working jobs to make it through-- about to start an electrician training program. For whatever reason that he choose to jog through this neighborhood and check out this house we will never know because he was hunted down by these alleged murderers. Many people are continually questioning why he did x or y. I continue to question why these murderers chose to confront him rather than hang back and wait for the police. No one was in danger. They created the danger by chasing him and forcing a confrontation. They are hot headed---for some reason. I think I know the reason and it is something that this whole trial has been very careful to dance around.

Yes, your bolded sentence is so true. They call themselves crime stoppers, but they committed the worst crime that neighborhood has ever seen. They created the most terror than anyone on those streets had ever known, and they did it because they were ripe with fear over....well, you know...

 

[JayWill]

Ha! Ha! Toenail confession night. I love it!

I probably need to cut mine right now, but I'm gonna ignore it and keep posting....

Good! Make it a statement. Maybe we can all not cut our toenails for a month!

 

[JayWill]

Yes, your bolded sentence is so true. They call themselves crime stoppers, but they committed the worst crime that neighborhood has ever seen. They created the most terror than anyone on those streets had ever known, and they did it because they were ripe with fear over....well, you know...

Yes, and one of them had committed one of the worst crimes an adult man can commit. And upon a child and videoed it. But they ran down a black man jogging.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, and one of them had committed one of the worst crimes an adult man can commit. And upon a child and videoed it. But they ran down a black man jogging.

Yes, wow. That IS so infuriating.

And that he thought he could hand his phone over with whatever was on there without a thought. Of course, he has his right to his day in court on that, but, man....I agree with you.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes, and one of them had committed one of the worst crimes an adult man can commit. And upon a child and videoed it. But they ran down a black man jogging.

Lordy. You're making me defend the man. Not enough information has ever been released to know exactly what Roddy allegedly did or what LE saw on his phone. It's possible what LE saw were accusations leveled & responded to via text, for example. We don't know, but we know it's been well over a year since whatever was found on his phone & he hasn't been charged.

He doesn't need to also be child abuser or molester to be a thoroughly vile man, one who played an instrumental part in murdering AA. jmo

 

[JayWill]

Lordy. You're making me defend the man. Not enough information has ever been released to know exactly what Roddy allegedly did or what LE saw on his phone. It's possible what LE saw were accusations leveled & responded to via text, for example. We don't know, but we know it's been well over a year since whatever was found on his phone & he hasn't been charged.

He doesn't need to also be child abuser or molester to be a thoroughly vile man, one who played an instrumental part in murdering AA. jmo

Just investigated because of material on his phone. Seeing how long it took for charges for AA's death to come about, I have no doubts that there is something there.

 

[JayWill]

You'll notice that the poster I was responding to also said s/he doesn't know whether Arbery was jogging.

That proves your case then, doesn't it? One poster said that and that is all you need?

 

[SuperTmo]

You should, because if you've ever tried to jog or even walk any distance, in no socks and even slightly long toenails, it can be very uncomfortable. The entire picture she painted was of a "not jogger." Khaki's instead of sport shorts or sweats, etc. together with the no socks and long toenails, scream "not jogger." jmo

Where you hear it screaming “not a jogger,” I just see a guy making due with what he has. I ran for years in denim shorts because that is what I owned, and I didn’t have the money for shorts just for running. Not everyone is so privileged.