GA v Hannah Payne - HP allegedly murdering a man involved in a hit-and-run in 2019 *GUILTY*

[whitelilac]

Look how different she looked at that hearing, and I think it was just one week before trial.

In that video, note that at 3.32 mins
"after the 911 call she told police MULTIPLE times, that she is the one who shot Mr. Herring".
Did the Prosecution bring that up during the trial? I can't remember.

 

[Ladyotm]

I’m thinking probation, but I’m not certain… I really don’t think she imagined she’d be convicted or spend any time in prison.

With the things the original judge said about the lawyer, even suggesting Hannah get a new one... Do you feel this may be grounds for an appeal based on ineffective counsel?

 

[katydid23]

I haven’t had the chance to watch the bodycam footage but that still picture alone is horrifying! She zooms in and cuts him off while he may be in the middle of a medical emergency and then approaches him while he’s sitting in his vehicle with her gun drawn and yelling aggressively?! In what world is that remotely okay?

If he had sped away from a spree shooting, I'd have her back if she pulled her gun to keep him from leaving.

But a minor hit and run, when you already have their license? It makes no sense. She didn't know he was having a medical crisis, but that's no excuse.

Even IF (allegedly) the victim ended up lunging at her it would be entirely in self-defense, seeing as she approached HIM with a weapon.

I apologize if I seem worked up but it’s just so senseless and scary…

I get it. She had no business coming at him with a weapon.

 

[neesaki]

disconcerting how Hannah had no close friends to testify for her. just some coworkers, her parent's friend who hired her, a neighbor? weird. so weird.

My son had a friend once, who could be so sweet and charming, was a master manipulator with adults. But in reality he was a narcissist user. And a complete jerk and a bully when the adults weren’t looking.

Now I’m beginning to see this might have been HP, which could explain why and how she did what she did. JMO

 

[DS2021]

not stated what that was

Iirc it was 5 years, or some nonsense like that

 

[DS2021]

I haven’t had the chance to watch the bodycam footage but that still picture alone is horrifying! She zooms in and cuts him off while he may be in the middle of a medical emergency and then approaches him while he’s sitting in his vehicle with her gun drawn and yelling aggressively?! In what world is that remotely okay? Even IF (allegedly) the victim ended up lunging at her it would be entirely in self-defense, seeing as she approached HIM with a weapon.

I apologize if I seem worked up but it’s just so senseless and scary…

Imo one of the biggest aggravating factors in this case, is the amount of opportunities she had to stop. She could've stopped each time she was advised to by dispatch, she could've stayed in her car once she blocked him off.

 

[neesaki]

I’m thinking probation, but I’m not certain… I really don’t think she imagined she’d be convicted or spend any time in prison.

I found it. According to post #6 by @arielilane defense counteroffer was a five year sentence.

 

[RickshawFan]

With the things the original judge said about the lawyer, even suggesting Hannah get a new one... Do you feel this may be grounds for an appeal based on ineffective counsel?

The judge was swapped out. There were previous problems with the lawyer’s tardiness, too.

 

[RickshawFan]

In that video, note that at 3.32 mins
"after the 911 call she told police MULTIPLE times, that she is the one who shot Mr. Herring".
Did the Prosecution bring that up during the trial? I can't remember.

I think maybe she told them multiple times, but they didn’t have it recorded. Also, at the 911 call right after the accident, she says Herring pulled the trigger. I’ll bet by then she’d had time to go in her vehicle and get changed: she was already being extremely calculated.

I still don’t see why HP would be carrying a gun AFTER she changed. When the cops took the gun from her, she was wearing a pink sweatshirt.

 

[RickshawFan]

If he had sped away from a spree shooting, I'd have her back if she pulled her gun to keep him from leaving.

But a minor hit and run, when you already have their license? It makes no sense. She didn't know he was having a medical crisis, but that's no excuse.

I get it. She had no business coming at him with a weapon.

IMO it’s increasingly taking thought about how to handle yourself in emergencies. I recently was at an accident scene. I was the person closest to the accident. I was gonna hop out of my car and rush to help the drivers. I had my door open to do so. But then I realized I’m terrible in emergencies, and there was a risk I could make things worse or create more accident. There really wasn’t anything I could do, I realized. And there were many others around, who would have called 911. So, I closed my door back up, and called the police 5 minutes later with a witness statement when I got home.

I had never thought about myself this way until that accident.I had always styled myself as good in emergencies, and have taken several first aid courses, but in the moment suddenly saw myself entirely differently. I am helpless in emergencies!

As dispatch noted in the Herring case, there were so many things a witness should have been considering, including (and I’m adding): whether this was a fleeing bank robber, a mass killer, whether he had a weapon, big or small, whether she’d cause him to speed up and cause another accident, whether he was acting irrational from a drug crash, whether he got some kind of injury with delayed response from the first accident, etc.

 

[RickshawFan]

First of all, the witnesses all said he never said a word and never moved when she was beating him in the chest. I doubt very seriously he was combative especially since he never moved toward her when she was beating him.

I am a diabetic and have experienced hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) several times without any combativeness. I will say, when you begin to sweat all over and your heart begins to beat erratically and you're so light-headed you can't see very well and then your body becomes so weak you can't move, I doubt you will be able to combat anyone. Although, as it begins you can become paranoid and believe others are trying to kill you, but in this case someone was trying to kill him.

Reactions to low blood sugar are widely variable. The odor from a diabetic is a fruity smell or a smell of nail polish caused by ketoacidosis. If you just have low blood sugar you may not have that fruity smell to your breath.

The combative thing is a survival reflex, from what medics told me back in the day. It’s not a decision to fight. When I saw my business partner do it, he was actually unconscious.

 

[arielilane]

Life sentence for Hannah Payne, woman convicted of killing man who left Clayton County crash, judge rules

The fate of a woman accused of following, shooting and killing a man who left the scene of a Clayton County car wreck was decided on Friday morning.

www.atlantanewsfirst.com

Updated: 13 hours ago

 

[iusedtofloat]

I’m so mind boggled by this crime, so i really appreciate you’re insight
@10ofRods . I have a problem with getting a grip on what she was thinking and why she committed this horrific crime.
I mean, according to those who knew her well, she was a charitable, kind , giving type person.
So, can someone please explain, or shed some insight into why she chose this violent, destructive path?

everyone is shocked when someone they know commits a crime of such a caliber. her personality could be a blank sheet of paper and if she has a somewhat decent community surrounding her and her fam, which it seems like she does, people figure out nice stuff to say.

you can also be multiple things at once. heck, there's a guy I know in prison for murder and robbery. but he's been working with a program in there helping them to train dogs. and he LOVES those dogs. bumps noses, calls them his fuzzy wuzzy pumpkins, etc.

very high potential Hannah could be nice to her neighbors, and have a dangerous savior complex.
she stated to the cops during questioning she alwaaaays wanted to be a cop. she really thought she was doing something here, I think she thought people were gonna put a crown on her head and give her the key to the city.

she had an extremely warped view of this situation.

and that speaks to one last aspect - there are a LOT of citizens in this country who are very entitled, who have ALL of the confidence and audacity. especially citizens born with a certain set of factors that make their life more privileged than many. a lot of that subset own guns and are so enthusiastic about guns that they don't want any gun laws changed to help prevent school shootings bc it'd "be a slippery slope" in their minds. they think owning a gun gives them authority over other citizens, they are better and know more and have superior values.

i wish that wasn't true, but I know for a fact that it's a bigger group in the overarching communities of the US than you'd think.

 

[RickshawFan]

everyone is shocked when someone they know commits a crime of such a caliber. her personality could be a blank sheet of paper and if she has a somewhat decent community surrounding her and her fam, which it seems like she does, people figure out nice stuff to say.

you can also be multiple things at once. heck, there's a guy I know in prison for murder and robbery. but he's been working with a program in there helping them to train dogs. and he LOVES those dogs. bumps noses, calls them his fuzzy wuzzy pumpkins, etc.

very high potential Hannah could be nice to her neighbors, and have a dangerous savior complex.
she stated to the cops during questioning she alwaaaays wanted to be a cop. she really thought she was doing something here, I think she thought people were gonna put a crown on her head and give her the key to the city.

she had an extremely warped view of this situation.

and that speaks to one last aspect - there are a LOT of citizens in this country who are very entitled, who have ALL of the confidence and audacity. especially citizens born with a certain set of factors that make their life more privileged than many. a lot of that subset own guns and are so enthusiastic about guns that they don't want any gun laws changed to help prevent school shootings bc it'd "be a slippery slope" in their minds. they think owning a gun gives them authority over other citizens, they are better and know more and have superior values.

i wish that wasn't true, but I know for a fact that it's a bigger group in the overarching communities of the US than you'd think.

I wonder what prevented her from signing up for police academy, if that’s what she always wanted to do? She’d have been an AWFUL cop, but colleagues might notice—she’s probably insufferable to be around—but why didn’t she apply?

 

[neesaki]

everyone is shocked when someone they know commits a crime of such a caliber. her personality could be a blank sheet of paper and if she has a somewhat decent community surrounding her and her fam, which it seems like she does, people figure out nice stuff to say.

you can also be multiple things at once. heck, there's a guy I know in prison for murder and robbery. but he's been working with a program in there helping them to train dogs. and he LOVES those dogs. bumps noses, calls them his fuzzy wuzzy pumpkins, etc.

very high potential Hannah could be nice to her neighbors, and have a dangerous savior complex.
she stated to the cops during questioning she alwaaaays wanted to be a cop. she really thought she was doing something here, I think she thought people were gonna put a crown on her head and give her the key to the city.

she had an extremely warped view of this situation.

and that speaks to one last aspect - there are a LOT of citizens in this country who are very entitled, who have ALL of the confidence and audacity. especially citizens born with a certain set of factors that make their life more privileged than many. a lot of that subset own guns and are so enthusiastic about guns that they don't want any gun laws changed to help prevent school shootings bc it'd "be a slippery slope" in their minds. they think owning a gun gives them authority over other citizens, they are better and know more and have superior values.

i wish that wasn't true, but I know for a fact that it's a bigger group in the overarching communities of the US than you'd think.

Re bolded, that’s what I think as well. She was showing off how tough she was, actually thought she was being a “hero”. Yikes!
She showed terrible judgment in her every action, and definitely had a warped view of the situation and seems to have been out of touch with reality.
I wonder if she had been rewarded in some way for similar types of behavior.

 

[ErinC]

I wonder what prevented her from signing up for police academy, if that’s what she always wanted to do? She’d have been an AWFUL cop, but colleagues might notice—she’s probably insufferable to be around—but why didn’t she apply?

I wonder if she did, but wasn't accepted for some reason. (Like, say, being completely untrustworthy with a firearm.) We'll never know for sure but I wonder if something was going on there.

 

[ch_13]

I wonder if she did, but wasn't accepted for some reason. (Like, say, being completely untrustworthy with a firearm.) We'll never know for sure but I wonder if something was going on there.

In many jurisdictions you have to be at least 21 to be a police officer, the same age HP was at the time of the murder. Plus you have to pass an entrance exam and meet the civil service requirements in order to be admitted to the police academy.

So, it's possible she intended to apply but hadn't yet begun the process.

 

[Kermitskorner]

This is what I think too. It's a whole subculture (gun-eagerness is what I'd call it). Doesn't work well for anyone - but especially for young people.

IMO--- I'm currently a student in university studying Applied Behavioral Analysis for Criminal Psychology then moving to the doctorate level. Also am in the workings of receiving a CSI license via University. I often think and theorize about our recent gun-readiness at such young ages. We are seeing four year olds bring pistols and knives to school in order to carry out violence. I am not shy to admit, I am NOT all knowing nor will I ever feel as enough education that I could answer this question with full confidence.

I do want to mention my cross-cultural courses in which I have seen peer-reviewed evidence discussing the implications of trauma inducing events like COVID-19 and the 911 tragedy. In Wamser-Nanney (2019), researchers looked at the effects of community and domestic violence in the potential mental/behavioral health concerns for children. The results and conclusion states:
"Results:Childhood DV and CV exposure were both associated with increased gun violence involvement as well as numerous gun violence risk factors. Effect sizes were generally medium to large (Md .53).
Conclusion: Childhood traumatic events, such as DV and CV, may be important antecedent risk factors for gun violence."

Alongside other articles and educational events, I believe there is sufficient evidence in the mental to cultural dynamic suggesting nationwide & international tragedies do have some viable implications in addressing violent crimes in adolescents. I think this is a multifactorial public health concern which would need numerous groups of specialist in different social determinants of health. LIKE I SAID, I am not claiming to know the answer to this nor do I hold a doctorate level in either cultural psychology nor a specialized behavioral specialist. All of this is IMO with support of research I have stumbled upon during my academic career.

Resource--> Wamser-Nanney, Rachel (01/01/2019). "Childhood trauma exposure and gun violence risk factors among victims of gun violence". Psychological trauma (1942-9681), 11 (1), p. 99.

 

[RickshawFan]

I'm looking at the interrogation video...

--she had only owned the gun a couple of weeks
--she bought it herself
--when asked how long she'd had the gun, she said something like, "not long enough"
--there was no formal training, but she'd been to the gun range; been around guns her whole life
--Herring kept trying to open the car door to get out, and she put her knee into it, so he couldn't, saying "you can't get out"
--throughout this whole thing, she speaks matter of factly, and as though she's expecting profuse praise from the detectives. She's soooo pleased with herself, it's sickening.

Chilling.

 

[RickshawFan]

Now I'm going over her testimony on the stand. She contradicts several items in her interrogation, but some other interesting things:
--she says she'd been in the real estate business for 10 years. That would make her 15 when she started?
--she says she took at least one gun class
--she says they taught her to keep the trigger finger on the barrel unless you planned to shoot. Recall, she then argued with the prosecutor that her finger was on the trigger guard (not the trigger), just the way she'd been taught.

Imagine lying about where your front tire is, when it's OBVIOUSLY over the line, and everyone can see it for themselves. I couldn't stand it any more. Everyone is beneath her.