Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6 *Acquitted*

[frank-cole]

There is all the evidence in the world: a very young child who disappeared into thin air and who was not found back anywhere outside the building or in the streets surrounding the building.

There have been other cases of very young children wandering off by themselves at night and they have all been found back. Most of them within 1-2 km from their home. They were found back either dead or alive. Those who -unfortunately- were found back dead, had been residing in wild territory, in the mountains or in forests where they could not survive on their own.
Madeleine had not resided in the wild, she was staying at the friendly, cosy town of Praia da

Yes -. Sometimes circumstantial evidence is the most credible evidence obtained. imo this is a CB sleuthing thread & not a CB ‘innocence project’ thread

A predatory paedophile who writes stories about abducting, assaulting & killing a little blond girl was in the area a little blond girl went missing from. There were also eye witness accounts from the days prior describing a man with very similar features lurking around. There’s also a witness that saw a blond Scandinavian man testing the gate & another confirming they saw CB.

The girl he was having a fling with can’t account for his whereabouts on the one night it happened & tellingly he re-registered his car the next day. He said things to a witness that gave the indication he was responsible & as a result of this witness coming forward they found corroborating pieces of circumstantial evidence. It is also worth noting that the location of the apparent confession is very unique & not the sort of bland claim absent of specifics. The accused has also been tracked in the area.

He left is home of 12 years pretty quickly after the disappearance & lived off grid thereafter.

On top of that the police have more substantial evidence they’re not sharing.

And then going back to the absolute basics.

An intruder in the area who’d accessed 2 other apartments in the exact same way 5a was accessed. A missing child.

IMO what we already know about CB is immeasurably more incriminating than anything before.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

There is all the evidence in the world: a very young child who disappeared into thin air and who was not found back anywhere outside the building or in the streets surrounding the building.

There have been other cases of very young children wandering off by themselves at night and they have all been found back. Most of them within 1-2 km from their home. They were found back either dead or alive. Those who -unfortunately- were found back dead, had been residing in wild territory, in the mountains or in forests where they could not survive on their own.
Madeleine had not resided in the wild, she was staying at the friendly, cosy town of Praia da Luz.

Hi Chriatos, it’s been a while.

No question that MM vanished. The method of vanishing is however debatable. No strangers were seen entering or leaving 5A. No forensics pointing to a break-in. No evidence of an abduction… full stop.

 

[frank-cole]

There is no anger from me. You are gaslighting and acting like a troll - please stop it.

i take your point.

Sometimes the anti dross is nauseating.

If speculating about the evidence & discussing CB’s involvement offends you or agitates you - then perhaps the gossip clubs would be better than a thread set-up & designed to sleuth about CB.

Have you considered setting up a CB ‘innocence project’ type of thread?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

i take your point.

Sometimes the anti dross is nauseating.

If speculating about the evidence & discussing CB’s involvement offends you or agitates you - then perhaps the gossip clubs would be better than a thread set-up & designed to sleuth about CB.

Have you considered setting up a CB ‘innocence project’ type of thread?

I fear for you it’s not about sleuthing, it’s about winning. Your tactics in this pursuit are disrespectful. It’s unfortunate because it gets in the way of good discussion between people with opposing views that could go somewhere.

 

[RichardKimble]

i take your point.

Sometimes the anti dross is nauseating.

If speculating about the evidence & discussing CB’s involvement offends you or agitates you - then perhaps the gossip clubs would be better than a thread set-up & designed to sleuth about CB.

Have you considered setting up a CB ‘innocence project’ type of thread?

How about starting a thread about the evidence pointing to CBs guilt in the MM case, should be interesting reading.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

i take your point.

Sometimes the anti dross is nauseating.

If speculating about the evidence & discussing CB’s involvement offends you or agitates you - then perhaps the gossip clubs would be better than a thread set-up & designed to sleuth about CB.

Have you considered setting up a CB ‘innocence project’ type of thread?

Agree, this (and the others too) is a topic to discuss CB involvement. And yes, sleuthing. After all these years and the current scenario, I thought there weren't that many left, but there may be still others to discuss and explore details on other narratives. Don't even imagine how creative they can still be.

 

[frank-cole]

I fear for you it’s not about sleuthing, it’s about winning. Your tactics in this pursuit are disrespectful. It’s unfortunate because it gets in the way of good discussion between people with opposing views that could go somewhere.

I appreciate the virtuous words, but I am a little bit befuddled that you feel entitled to lecture anybody on their conduct. But I’ll roll with it .

Opposing views - fine
- playing pretend CB mock trial defence lawyers - is nauseating & transparent.

You guys claims give it’s the former, but the impression is that is always the latter.

Perhaps being more open minded would help you.

 

[frank-cole]

How about starting a thread about the evidence pointing to CBs guilt in the MM case, should be interesting reading.

imo such threads are about debating the open source information about the subject of the thread, going into detail, establishing wider context & making assumptions on what the evidence may be.

This thread often reads like a trainee defence lawyer audition.

 

[frank-cole]

Agree, this (and the others too) is a topic to discuss CB involvement. And yes, sleuthing. After all these years and the current scenario, I thought there weren't that many left, but there may be still others to discuss and explore details on other narratives. Don't even imagine how creative they can still be.

Yeah - CB isn’t a wounded soldier about to return from the battlefield after being hunted by the same pseudo movement they all despise. I think people being favourable to his release should realise that ‘win or lose’ in a SM argument is one thing - but nobody n their right mind should be adversed to CB staying behind bars. Straight after the announcement in 2020 there was hostility towards the prosecution, almost immediately - imo it is better that CB is caged.

 

[Davieson]

Yeah - CB isn’t a wounded soldier about to return from the battlefield after being hunted by the same pseudo movement they all despise. I think people being favourable to his release should realise that ‘win or lose’ in a SM argument is one thing - but nobody n their right mind should be adversed to CB staying behind bars. Straight after the announcement in 2020 there was hostility towards the prosecution, almost immediately - imo it is better that CB is caged.

I've no problem with CB being in prison, provided that he has been convicted of crimes that warrant a prison sentence.
I shoul;dn't think there is anyone on here who thinks otherwise.

 

[frank-cole]

I've no problem with CB being in prison, provided that he has been convicted of crimes that warrant a

.

I've no problem with CB being in prison, provided that he has been convicted of crimes that warrant a prison sentence.
I shoul;dn't think there is anyone on here who thinks otherwise.

Imo part of this is that we’ve all registered it’s possible that they have the evidence but it may end up in an acquittal due to an admissibility
.
Do you think OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony & Jimmy Saville should have served prison time?

 

[frank-cole]

There is all the evidence in the world: a very young child who disappeared into thin air and who was not found back anywhere outside the building or in the streets surrounding the building.

There have been other cases of very young children wandering off by themselves at night and they have all been found back. Most of them within 1-2 km from their home. They were found back either dead or alive. Those who -unfortunately- were found back dead, had been residing in wild territory, in the mountains or in forests where they could not survive on their own.
Madeleine had not resided in the wild, she was staying at the friendly, cosy town of Praia da Luz.

A fews years ago when asked about whether they had evidence of CB going into 5a - HCW answered “we have an answer to that but it would bring a thousand more questions”

It’s intriguing - I wonder what they have to suggest he went into 5a.

 

[Davieson]

Imo part of this is that we’ve all registered it’s possible that they have the evidence but it may end up in an acquittal due to an admissibility
.
Do you think OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony & Jimmy Saville should have served prison time?

Only if they had been found guilty in a court of law.

Thankfully, people can't be locked away on the whims of others

 

[frank-cole]

Only if they had been found guilty in a court of law.

Thankfully, people can't be locked away on the whims of others

“Whim of others” - IMO that isn’t quite a realistic reason as to whether the likes of OJ, Casey Anthony & Saville should have faced prison.

As OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony & Jimmy Saville were all not convicted of a crime- does that mean none of them actually committed a crime?

 

[Davieson]

“Whim of others” - I don’t think such talk summarises whether the likes of OJ, Casey Anthony & Saville should have faced prison.

As OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony or Jimmy Saville were all not convicted of a crime- does that mean none of them actually committed a crime?

Not relevant. They weren't found guilty in law, so no prison sentence, which was your original question.

When you think about it anyone found guilty might be innocent and vise versa.

The law is imperfect, but its how the system works.

 

[frank-cole]

Not relevant. They weren't found guilty in law, so no prison sentence, which was your original question.

When you think about it anyone found guilty might be innocent and vise versa.

The law is imperfect, but it’s how the system works.

Absolutely relevant. Which is why you just deflected my question.

I’ll give it one more go. As OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony & Jimmy Saville were all not convicted of a crime - does that mean none of them actually acquitted on a crime?

 

[Davieson]

Absolutely relevant. Which is why you just deflected my question.

I’ll give it one more go. As OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony & Jimmy Saville were all not convicted of a crime - does that mean none of them actually acquitted on a crime?

If they didn't stand trial, they could be neither convicted nor acquitted. That doesn't have any bearing on what people think of them.

 

[frank-cole]

If they didn't stand trial, they could be neither convicted nor acquitted. That doesn't have any bearing on what people think of them.

We both know that isn’t the point.

What somebody thinks of Jimmy Saville doesn’t influence whether Jimmy Saville comitted a crime in the past.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Yeah - CB isn’t a wounded soldier about to return from the battlefield after being hunted by the same pseudo movement they all despise. I think people being favourable to his release should realise that ‘win or lose’ in a SM argument is one thing - but nobody n their right mind should be adversed to CB staying behind bars. Straight after the announcement in 2020 there was hostility towards the prosecution, almost immediately - imo it is better that CB is caged.

Fully agree.

And If it weren't a cat hair, he would be on the loose, even for the last 7 years....

Not that he is accused of something he didn't do, but "nothing is owed to him"...
Beyond everything he was accused of and got away through a miserable trial (5 cases), it is still possible that there is much more (e.g. box factory findings) he may have committed that has not even been known about, much less judged.

What a disgusting, dangerous, coward and miserable creature.
There is only one place for CB: prison (maybe even safer for him than when he is out here in Sep).

 

[Davieson]

Fully agree.

And If it weren't a cat hair, he would be on the loose, even for the last 7 years....

Not that he is accused of something he didn't do, but "nothing is owed to him"...
Beyond everything he was accused of and got away through a miserable trial (5 cases), it is still possible that there is much more (e.g. box factory findings) he may have committed that has not even been known about, much less judged.

What a disgusting, dangerous, coward and miserable creature.
There is only one place for CB: prison (maybe even safer for him than when he is out here in Sep).

If they are Box factory findings, then they'll all probably be ruled out due to inproper police procedure.