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It’s interesting to me that they were all positioned facing East, and his home on LI is East (Northeast) of AC.
Lots of things are East. The sun and moon and stars rise in the East. Mecca is East, Europe is East. Disneyland Paris is East.

We know it's significant to him because he did it with all four victims. But without information from or about him, it's impossible to know why.

MOO
 
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Of all the cases I've followed when residences are searched, I've never seen such an extensive amount of items seized.

jmo
Have you seen the footage of the processing of the Gacy house? They tore that right down to the studs, it was a shell by the end. All the floors were gone (though that was mainly a practicality to access and document the victims buried in the crawlspace). It wouldn't surprise me if we see similar diligence here. This suspect has had a family connection to this house his whole life, he probably took at least one (and possibly many more) victims there, and he has carpentry skills. They're not just going to be looking in the rooms, they're going to be looking in walls and floors and ceiling cavities. Trophies or other crime-associated items could be hidden anywhere in the structure and grounds.

MOO
 
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Beyond coverage of the murders, I also think he knows his dilapidated house, possessions, finances, the horrors found in the house are also in the news and up for public scrutiny, to his humiliation. At least, I would expect him to feel shame. But who knows - maybe he simply doesn't care.

jmo
Yup and I bet he cares. RH would call the victims friends and family to shame the victims. Bullies usually project.
 
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where the women in AC shot? I don't see RH driving through NYC and NJ with a firearm and taking that risk, besides he probably derived pleasure from being hands-on.

They were not. One was asphyxiated, one was killed by ligature strangulation, the other two the method of killing was unable to be determined due to decomposition.

MOO
 
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And, I'm still realllly curious about the lumber they carried out.
Do you remember in the Kelsey Barreth case when the floor was pulled up and pooled blood exposed?
 
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Just a little James Burke background. No wonder he thought he was "untouchable"... apparently, he was for many years.

Specifically, an internal affairs report from 18 years ago shows that then-Sergeant Burke was attached romantically to a convicted prostitute and drug dealer named Lowrita Rickenbacker. All of her multiple arrests had happened in the precinct in which Burke was a supervisor, but he still claimed to internal affairs investigators that he’d had no knowledge of her criminal history.

Suffolk police investigators concluded that, in 1993, then-Sergeant Burke had a months-long relationship with the prostitution and drug dealing convict, and had on one occasion even left her alone in his car with his gun belt and service weapon in the back seat. The internal affairs report, obtained by Newsday, also substantiated that Burke had, at least once, engaged in a sexual act with Rickenbacker in his patrol car.

After internal affairs probed Burke’s relationship with Lowrita Rickenbacker and substantiated it through testimony and lie detector tests of her and then-Sergeant Burke, it is not at all clear that Burke was disciplined.

Instead, in 2000, five years after the probe was completed, Burke was promoted to lieutenant. Then, in 2002, he was named chief of detectives by District Attorney Spota. In 2012, Burke was named Suffolk County police chief.


 
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Have you seen the footage of the processing of the Gacy house? They tore that right down to the studs, it was a shell by the end. All the floors were gone (though that was mainly a practicality to access and document the victims buried in the crawlspace). It wouldn't surprise me if we see similar diligence here. This suspect has had a family connection to this house his whole life, he probably took at least one (and possibly many more) victims there, and he has carpentry skills. They're not just going to be looking in the rooms, they're going to be looking in walls and floors and ceiling cavities. Trophies or other crime-associated items could be hidden anywhere in the structure and grounds.

MOO
I wonder if his wife can give LE information about any changes she may have come back to after her holidays. Though, I'd expect them to tear it all apart anyway. They have to be sure.
 
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Beyond coverage of the murders, I also think he knows his dilapidated house, possessions, finances, the horrors found in the house are also in the news and up for public scrutiny, to his humiliation. At least, I would expect him to feel shame. But who knows - maybe he simply doesn't care.

jmo
I am sure having his living situation and finances in the public eye is causing embarrassment. And I hope he also on some level has feelings of shame knowing what he has done to his wife and kids. What happens to them? Do they just get thrown out on the streets with no access to their belongings?
 
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I wonder if his wife can give LE information about any changes she may have come back to after her holidays. Though, I'd expect them to tear it all apart anyway. They have to be sure.
Missing blanket,or carpet,curtains etc I can't remember which one but one of the victims was wrapped in something other than the burlap.
 
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I guess he's happy collecting his pension (which I assume he's still receiving).

The article below is from 2018

Burke was released from prison last month and has been paid more than $600,000 by the county. He still earns a yearly pension of almost $150,000.

 
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I am sure having his living situation and finances in the public eye is causing embarrassment. And I hope he also on some level has feelings of shame knowing what he has done to his wife and kids. What happens to them? Do they just get thrown out on the streets with no access to their belongings?
I think there is other family nearby.

Unfortunately, everything in the house right now is potentially evidence. They may get some items back with time, if they are shown to not be connected to the case. But, as we can see from the sheer volume of stuff, that may take a while to be sorted out. It sucks, but it is what it is.

MOO
 
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Macedonio said Ellerup was told to leave the couple's home with only the clothes on her back and has not been permitted to return as investigators continue searching the residence. Investigators have seized all electronics in the house including those belonging to her and the two adult children. They've also seized her car, which had been parked at the couple's Long Island home.

Macedonio tells CBS News that Ellerup's passport was not seized, but that she does not have access to it as it remains inside the home.

 
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I guess he's happy collecting his pension (which I assume he's still receiving).

The article below is from 2018

Burke was released from prison last month and has been paid more than $600,000 by the county. He still earns a yearly pension of almost $150,000.

How infuriating. He's not only rolling in the dough. He's out free as a bird.
 
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And there it is. There is a strong likelihood he killed at least one at his home, as I suspected. And that's why they're focused so hard on every little thing in that house. It's a crime scene, not just a nest.

MOO

The car in SC would definitely be of interest
 
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Trying to keep up --

He's an architect. I hope LE compares blueprints and specs and uses every measuring device available to them in search of hidden space. False walls, false floors, bunkers with hidden access. He operated invisibly possibly for decades... those walls may harbor more than secrets.

JMO

That house was built in the 1950s. Would blueprints and specs even exist for it today?
 
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i hope so, they should tear it down like john gacy’s house. i wouldn’t put it past him hiding something in the walls.
I hope they check the ceilings
 
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Have you seen the footage of the processing of the Gacy house? They tore that right down to the studs, it was a shell by the end. All the floors were gone (though that was mainly a practicality to access and document the victims buried in the crawlspace). It wouldn't surprise me if we see similar diligence here. This suspect has had a family connection to this house his whole life, he probably took at least one (and possibly many more) victims there, and he has carpentry skills. They're not just going to be looking in the rooms, they're going to be looking in walls and floors and ceiling cavities. Trophies or other crime-associated items could be hidden anywhere in the structure and grounds.

MOO

Yes. Gacy's crime scene was crazy. It was in the news for weeks, months. I was traveling on business in the Chicago area about a month after his arrest, The local rep who was driving me around took us past Gacy's house. There wasn't much left at that point, they had found most of the bodies by then. It was a surreal fall and winter, between Jim Jones in November and John Wayne Gacy making news around Christmas. The late 70's were harsh.
 
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Missing blanket,or carpet,curtains etc I can't remember which one but one of the victims was wrapped in something other than the burlap.
You’re thinking of Peaches (mother of the toddler) found with a floral comforter or sheet. She is not listed on the Suffolk Gilgo site as one of the victims because she was found in Hempstead which is Nassau County. Toddler was found at Gilgo.
 
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