Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[bonniejeanne17]

It’s possible but the motel in question was a “No tell, motel”. It was a grimy, crime ridden motel whose workers were paid and or threatened to look the other way or to not pay too close attention. In my opinion, it makes sense that the women in question rented the room to work out of and the John’s met them there. There were no cameras and no one was paying attention to who was coming and going. That and if the murders took place in that one room with a back door to the ditch, he could have easily disposed of the body, left and had no one know when the murder took place to track to a person.

This does not at all seem like RH's MO. These girls were streetwalkers, not call girls. The killer did not spend a very long time with them. The dumping of the bodies was straightforward and not elaborate.
RH is said to avoid motels, rather having the girls meet him at an appointed time and place..and then driving them to the killing place.
However, he is said to have a mercurial disposition, so he may have at times (and depending on what drugs he was taking)
altered his methods. If he was pressured for time, he might have resorted to a quick pickup, a frenzied killing, and a crude dumping of the body.
Ted Bundy and other notorious SKs oftened switched MO's.

 

[bonniejeanne17]

To add a note to my last post:
"Please See Me" by Caitlin Mullen is a fictionalized tale of the AC murders. Mullen carefully researched the murders before writing her very compelling novel. She won an Edgar Award for New Writers for this, her first book.

 

[DSCrime]

true , I think a visual of the location would help..still the killer has to get the girl from the room to the ditch area..a ground floor room in the back at the end would be ideal...if I try to visualize...also beige 60 ft apart, super consistent with the Gilgo 4.

It’s a single story strip motel where the back directly abutted the ditch where the dumping occurred. Only one room had a back door to access the ditch. The motel can been seen in the killing season documentary. It’s a nasty place.

Clip from The Killing Season documentary that shows the Atlantic City motel:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This BBM jumped out at me from the article:

His office was mostly staffed by women like myself, young and petite, the girl-next-door type.

Article: My Boss, the Monster

ETA: I just scrolled down to read the comments on that article and ... just wow.

 

[ConundrumPonderer]

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Police Off The Cuff, Sgt Cannon (Ret) and Detective Grimaldi (Ret) both NYPD covered how the police can use their exemplar DNA sample to test against other cases, without violating the presumption of innocence of the suspect, which precludes database entry before conviction, thereby losing that evidence as fruit of the poison tree. Since we had a lot of discussion on the topic, I thought their explanation would be relevant. (I’ve seen links to their channel allowed, so I hope this is okay.)

 

[LadyL]

This does not at all seem like RH's MO. These girls were streetwalkers, not call girls. The killer did not spend a very long time with them. The dumping of the bodies was straightforward and not elaborate.
RH is said to avoid motels, rather having the girls meet him at an appointed time and place..and then driving them to the killing place.
However, he is said to have a mercurial disposition, so he may have at times (and depending on what drugs he was taking)
altered his methods. If he was pressured for time, he might have resorted to a quick pickup, a frenzied killing, and a crude dumping of the body.
Ted Bundy and other notorious SKs oftened switched MO's.

Drugs? What drugs?

 

[Keith417]

In the video Rex did with the Bonjour Realty guy, he made mention that when he went out on his own, his first "paying client" during the 90's recession was a man named Robert Mayer. They met when they were standing in line at the Queens Building Dept.

He pronounced Mayer in the video as one would say Oscar Mayer...(like "My"er)

There was a Robert Mayer who suspiciously went missing in 2013 from Dix Hills. He was an electrician, so it makes sense he could have been there pulling permits in the 90's. He was roughly about the same age as Rex, I think maybe 2-3 years younger. His vehicle was found abandoned at at train station that was beside a nature preserve IIRC.

Just thinking out loud, wondering if it potentially was the same man, or if Robert Mayer's name was pronounced more like "May"er, not "My"er. Not sure if any locals on here who may be familiar with that family and how they pronounced their name?

Oh wow great find! I just got chills reading this

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Interestingly, retired NYPD sergeant Joseph Giacalone doesn't think it's likely RH murdered the victims inside his home. I wish Levy had asked him where he thought they'd been killed.

Approx 6:44 mark

Funny you should say that because my gut feeling from the start was that he killed his victims in his car. I'm not sure why I had that gut feeling, and it sure wasn't based on anything solid, it was always just how I saw it in my mind. You know what I mean, I'm sure. But anyway, I still have nothing to base that gut feeling and I have no clue where he killed these poor women, but if you think about it, killing them in the car does make sense given the isolated area of where the victims were found. Pull off Ocean Parkway or around the Jones Beach area ( didn't RH work at Jones Beach Park at one point ?) , and who would be the wiser. No nosy neighbors to see, no one to hear, not far to drive to a dumpsite, etc. etc.

Just random thoughts prompted by insomnia, I guess.

ETA: Wanted to briefly mention how much I have valued your input on this case over the many LONG LONG years, Fredna. I could say the same of so many members who have tirelessly research this case for years, but tonight I'm singling you out. So thar !

 

[Charlot123]

Interestingly, retired NYPD sergeant Joseph Giacalone doesn't think it's likely RH murdered the victims inside his home. I wish Levy had asked him where he thought they'd been killed.

Approx 6:44 mark

I was thinking the same. Being in architecture, codes and buildings, RH probably knew a lot about cameras on LI. Or, there can always be a nosy neighbor witnessing a young woman entering the house. It is possible that he could pick them up in the car and drive to the house, especially if the driveway could end in the back, but more likely, he’d either murder in the car, or have a lair. A lair in the woody area, which a “hunter” could visit. I think he’d pick them up somewhere in a car and drive to a lair.

 

[Charlot123]

Im thinking about Atlantic City ..and what feels kind of interesting is if killer would have a car date then he could easily kill
the victim at one location away from eyes and then move the body by car to the location they were found. This would then seem more consistent with RH. Perhaps killing in his big Avalanche truck or driving to say a secluded area that is prearranged. I don't think he will risk a motel... too many things can go wrong with a motel..maybe he meets them for dinner and drinks and talks them into a drive...also you can probably pick up street girls pretty easy there...but I think he likes to make dates over the phone although these victims may not have been on-line advertisers..I haven't seen much around that ..mOO

One think that could always go wrong with him is his height/weight. I just Googled: the NYC is the most crowded one, the average height of a New York make is 5 feet 8.1 inches. This guy was, what? 6’6”? Plus, broad shoulders. He would be noticeable in any crowd. One benefit of picking women from the street into the car is that he would be sitting and his height, less noticeable. As to shady motels, it is possible, but probably in late 90es. I think after 9-11 everyone in the area became more aware, and it must have included signalization and lights.

 

[Gemmie]

One think that could always go wrong with him is his height/weight. I just Googled: the NYC is the most crowded one, the average height of a New York make is 5 feet 8.1 inches. This guy was, what? 6’6”? Plus, broad shoulders. He would be noticeable in any crowd. One benefit of picking women from the street into the car is that he would be sitting and his height, less noticeable. As to shady motels, it is possible, but probably in late 90es. I think after 9-11 everyone in the area became more aware, and it must have included signalization and lights.

I've seen 6' 4"amd 6' 3". The DM has him at 6'6" but IMO they tend to exaggerate so... I'm going with a few inches shorter until I see him officially measured for a mugshot.

Heuermann fit the physical description provided by Schaller, too: He was 6 feet, 4 inches (193 centimeters) tall and weighed 240 pounds (109 kilograms).

Dave Schaller came face to face with alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann; 12 years later, his tip helped crack the case

As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime.

www.cbsnews.com

The DM saying 6'6": Cops 'confident' they'll charge Rex Heuermann with more murders

 

[otto]

So I’ve been going back through the old LISK forums just to see if there’s anything that jumps out to me and I saw this post. My apologies if it has already been answered, but does anyone know if this is true? Did they ever confirm if Melissa’s boyfriend/pimp at the time really could have been contacted by this dude?
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Is there a twitter link or news source confirming that Melissa's phone was used for harassment? That would help with ruling in, or out, the Atlantic City escort murders. If none of the victims' friends/family in Atlantic City were harassed after those escorts were murdered/vanished, maybe it's not the same suspect.

I'm curious about Florida, and his trips to re-locate his mom.

 

[iamshadow21]

Is there a twitter link or news source confirming that Melissa's phone was used for harassment? That would help with ruling in, or out, the Atlantic City escort murders. If none of the victims' friends/family in Atlantic City were harassed after those escorts were murdered/vanished, maybe it's not the same suspect.

I'm curious about Florida, and his trips to re-locate his mom.

That Melissa's phone was used to harass her loved ones is beyond doubt. It's talked about at length in Lost Girls, but more than that, it's in the bail documentation. Page five.

Rex Heuermann, Gilgo Beach murder suspect, bail documentation | PDF | Dna Profiling | Forensic Science

Both Maureen and Melissa had people in their lives who were contacted, presumably by the defendant, after they went missing.

Megan and Amber did not. Amber did not have a phone with her, but Megan's was last recorded on the network in the vicinity of RH's home.

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

Is there a twitter link or news source confirming that Melissa's phone was used for harassment? That would help with ruling in, or out, the Atlantic City escort murders....

That's definitely worth looking into, @otto. I don't know if you've seen the great detailed Timeline done. (link below) So much work went into it, and it has the origin info links where the info came from.

Thank You @citizen_sleuth. Your timeline helped me and many others immensely. ​

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #5

I swear I saw a video with the SC DA and he seems to say that maybe RH's DNA hasn't been entered into state and national databases... because of laws. That it's only usually done if there's a "conviction". WHAT?? Maybe I misunderstood! I'm trying to find another acceptable link to post...

www.websleuths.com

 

[abovethestorm]

What a bore. (But I appreciate the link).
But at least now I can pronounce the name correctly as Hugh-er-man rather than Hoy-er-man as I've been mentally pronouncing.

Being Germanic in origin, the correct pronunciation actually IS hoyer-mann. I guess Rex and his fam didn't get the memo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I've seen 6' 4"amd 6' 3". The DM has him at 6'6" but IMO they tend to exaggerate so... I'm going with a few inches shorter until I see him officially measured for a mugshot.

Heuermann fit the physical description provided by Schaller, too: He was 6 feet, 4 inches (193 centimeters) tall and weighed 240 pounds (109 kilograms).

Dave Schaller came face to face with alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann; 12 years later, his tip helped crack the case

As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime.

www.cbsnews.com

The DM saying 6'6": Cops 'confident' they'll charge Rex Heuermann with more murders

Is that grenade real in the pic at link?

 

[Pinkizzy]

The purchase of the timeshare in LA (2005) could have been a trigger for the AC murders (2006) imo

 

[hutz]

Did Dude seriously thank every LE agency except Nassau? When this property is IN Nassau?

Wouldn’t they be the Nassau agency then? No need to thank yourself publicly.

 

[Friday13]

The purchase of the timeshare in LA (2005) could have been a trigger for the AC murders (2006) imo

I’m sorry, not trying to overstep, but did you mean LV, not LA?

 

[kittythehare]

**Not human** thanks for clarifying lol

Noted.