Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Megnut]

When I saw the actual WM embossing, my first thought was who*re monger.

Perhaps he finds himself clever. That LE is searching for distal ends suggests to me he was crafting his own belts. With embossing of his own choosing.

i often wonder in cases of serial killers, especially of this nature, about life at about age 12, like puberty occurs right when a prurient event or series occurs, encoding them somehow. With a single mom, dating and having a healthy sex life, for instance. Adjusting maybe a childhood love of one's mom into disgust that she's now dirty. Madonna/who*re syndrome/dichotomy.

Could he be killing his mother over and over and over?

jmo

Edited to add, I'm wrong about the initials!! I read them wrong! Thank you, @Morning_Kat, for the correction! Doh. Still, I think the letters mean something to him, and I think he embossed it himself.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

When I saw the actual WM embossing, my first thought was who*re monger.

Perhaps he finds himself clever. That LE is searching for distal ends suggests to me he was crafting his own belts. With embossing of his own choosing.

i often wonder in cases of serial killers, especially of this nature, about life at about age 12, like puberty occurs right when a prurient event or series occurs, encoding them somehow. With a single mom, dating and having a healthy sex life, for instance. Adjusting maybe a childhood love of one's mom into disgust that she's now dirty. Madonna/who*re syndrome/dichotomy.

Could he be killing his mother over and over and over?

jmo

The belt embossing was either WH or HM.

Articles Recovered at Scene

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[DetectiveDraper]

Amber was very involved in church when she lived in Florida. Can't see her carrying a bible on a date where she left her phone and purse behind, though.

Came here to say that. I've seen a Bible mentioned before and wondered if that was something they were keeping quiet about. Maybe Amber was known to keep one with her in her belongings, or it was missing from the house she lived in so they assumed she had it?

ETA but she left her phone and purse so that's kinda odd to me. Maybe if she'd seen RH before he took it and contacted her under the guise of returning it? Someone who was murdered must have a missing bible associated with them, or maybe RH wrote names of the victims in HIS bible? Big yikes either way.

 

[Friday13]

“Police are now searching for "trophies," such as personal items belonging to victims, including but not limited to their "telephones, articles of clothing, jewelry, identification, notebooks, ledgers, Bibles, personal effects and/or photographs or recordings depicting the victims," inside the green Avalanche, the July 14 search warrant for the vehicle states.”

The Bible really sticks out to me for some reason. It just seems odd. The clothing, jewelry, recordings, and notebooks I expected since those are all typical things taken as trophies by serial killers. Does anyone know if one of the G4 was known to carry a bible or may have attended church (even if it was infrequently)?

I’m probably reading too much into it. What are everyone else’s thoughts?

I wonder if one of the victims was known to carry a small pocket bible in her purse and all of those personal items are missing?

 

[Friday13]

Came here to say that. I've seen a Bible mentioned before and wondered if that was something they were keeping quiet about. Maybe Amber was known to keep one with her in her belongings, or it was missing from the house she lived in so they assumed she had it?

ETA but she left her phone and purse so that's kinda odd to me. Maybe if she'd seen RH before he took it and contacted her under the guise of returning it? Someone who was murdered must have a missing bible associated with them, or maybe RH wrote names of the victims in HIS bible? Big yikes either way.

You just made a thought pop into my head…do you think it’s possible there were ripped out pages of a bible left with the victims? Is it possible that this was never disclosed?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

Considering I cried when my mom washed my childhood rag doll, years after I stopped playing with it, and it fell apart in the washing machine, this seems like another perfectly sane theory. Good thinking.

Part of me thinks, though, that the disrepair of the house was a sign of disdain for his wife. No wife really wants to live like that when they can do better, at least not visibly to the outside world. It's possible, however, that the wife didn't care.

jmo

p.s. I miss you, Raggedy Ann.

 

[Sjöberg]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? "

I somehow thought that the house might just be affected by the Curse of the Inherited Home™.
There seem to be plenty of people who have inherited some property and who just don't upgrade that one at all. Of course, often it is because it is used as a second home or maybe there is even shared inheritance (neither were the case here). But I feel like there is a difference in how you approach the home that "has always been like that" vs something that you just buy from a random seller and what is a tabula rasa to you.

On another note, I hope the PD is working on identifying the other victims. This would clearly help with understanding, if these victims seem to have the same killer or not.

 

[DetectiveDraper]

You just made a thought pop into my head…do you think it’s possible there were ripped out pages of a bible left with the victims? Is it possible that this was never disclosed?

I wouldn't rule anything out at this point. Unfortunately.

 

[Megnut]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

This.

No stretch to imagine that he controlled how others moved within the home. Rooms no one was allowed into. I know of such a situation. No serial killing but inherited home, hoarding, serious social/mental dysfunctioning. The original parents' (notably the mother's) bedroom, maintained, almost like a shrine, no one allowed in. An office, walled in by stacks of newspapers and magazines, another room into which no one dared to go. Whole house in disrepair, rife with a million unfinished projects. And the argument: yes, I'll get to it but I don't have unlimited time. I work hard to provide for you.

Subtext: don't question me, don't make demands. Learn to live with it. Learn your place.

For them: good morning, Cognitive Dissonance. Hello, Powerlessness and Resignation.

IMO you're right. The whole house was his binky, his comfort zone. In the state it was. Don't wash his binky, don't fix his binky, don't touch his binky, don't question his binky.

Yikes.

 

[arielilane]

I'm not sure there is a widespread belief she is complicit - I assumed the opposite is true. The interest in her isn't because people think she was involved in the crimes but simply because she lived in the same house as an accused SK.

It would be nice if the local grocery store offered delivery service for a month or two, just to save her the walk in front of media to run regular household errands.

I live in the city and walk to the store for my own groceries. I have to go a few times a week because I can't carry everything for a week in one trip. This is not a small task for her, with two grown kids to also feed, plus heavy household items I'm sure she needs to put the home back together. She needs delivery service for awhile, imo, and the store could arrange that.

jmo

Partially agree with your post. Although there's no comparison to what victim Ms. is going through compared to others in the neighborhood who may be experiencing another type of hardship - where would the grocery store draw the line? If you assist one - you should assist all, imo.

Victim Ms. should not have to isolate because of her husband's actions. I get that we are a curious society and media no respect for boundaries.

moo

 

[arielilane]

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[Diddian]

I somehow thought that the house might just be affected by the Curse of the Inherited Home™.
There seem to be plenty of people who have inherited some property and who just don't upgrade that one at all. Of course, often it is because it is used as a second home or maybe there is even shared inheritance (neither were the case here). But I feel like there is a difference in how you approach the home that "has always been like that" vs something that you just buy from a random seller and what is a tabula rasa to you.

On another note, I hope the PD is working on identifying the other victims. This would clearly help with understanding, if these victims seem to have the same killer or not.

About the home: It looks like it has not been upgraded since it was constructed. The windows to the far right on the front of the home, which I assume are in bedrooms, look like they are likely too small to meet current egress requirements (openings have to be large enough to fit a firefighter carrying gear). Perhaps there are other elements of the home that also wouldn't pass muster if constructing today (e.g., passages narrower than 36", proper ventilation for oil- or gas-burning HVAC, etc).

I am guessing that, to gain a permit to perform ANY remodeling work on that home, one would have to spend the funds to bring everything up to current code.

Still doesn't explain the studs with exposed shims at top to support the roof at the front of the porch. It would seem any handyman or carpenter with a spare hour or two would have been able to construct a tidier and more permanent-looking solution to sagging support.

ETA: Makes me wonder why RH purchased the home from his mother. WAS his childhood home a comfort to him ("binky" as others have characterized it). Or, did RH's mother need the funds for her own elder care and RH didn't want the home being sold out of family? Or, did they attempt to sell and not receive offers outside the family? If so, did RH perhaps resent that he had to step in and take it over? Given that the home doesn't appear to have been lovingly kept up like one might expect with something highly valued, I kind of wonder if he had resentment about the home rather than that it was a comfort to him.

 

[sds71]

Exclusive: Cousin of slain teen from NJ breaks silence as Gilgo probe expands to Las Vegas

One of the cold cases garnering attention from law enforcement amid the developments in the Gilgo Beach murder case involves the slaying of a teenage mom from New Jersey whose body was found off a Las Vegas highway.

longisland.news12.com

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Just an observation. When I watched the interview with RH, he reminded me of an engineer I knew in the past who turned out to be an alcoholic, domestic abuser, a hoarder, whose mother controlled his entire life pretty much. He came from an affluent family where the mother managed everyone's finances. Sometimes I wonder if he could be into some dark things, because men who have "mommy issues" seem to be very unstable individuals. It was the grandiosity I saw that reminded I think.

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[charminglane]

Maybe he purchased the home from his mother because he had already started murdering and hiding some trophies there?
If she was unable to go up and down stairs as she aged, or he told her not to go down there, she may have not known what the hello was going on in her own basement.

 

[thefragile7393]

Animal cages

They did have animals in the house as well

 

[Jurisprudence]

I wonder if one of the victims was known to carry a small pocket bible in her purse and all of those personal items are missing?

Very possible. Or maybe underlined passages.

jmo.

 

[waldojabba]

About the home: It looks like it has not been upgraded since it was constructed. The windows to the far right on the front of the home, which I assume are in bedrooms, look like they are likely too small to meet current egress requirements (openings have to be large enough to fit a firefighter carrying gear). Perhaps there are other elements of the home that also wouldn't pass muster if constructing today (e.g., passages narrower than 36", proper ventilation for oil- or gas-burning HVAC, etc).

I am guessing that, to gain a permit to perform ANY remodeling work on that home, one would have to spend the funds to bring everything up to current code.

Still doesn't explain the studs with exposed shims at top to support the roof at the front of the porch. It would seem any handyman or carpenter with a spare hour or two would have been able to construct a tidier and more permanent-looking solution to sagging support.

ETA: Makes me wonder why RH purchased the home from his mother. WAS his childhood home a comfort to him ("binky" as others have characterized it). Or, did RH's mother need the funds for her own elder care and RH didn't want the home being sold out of family? Or, did they attempt to sell and not receive offers outside the family? If so, did RH perhaps resent that he had to step in and take it over? Given that the home doesn't appear to have been lovingly kept up like one might expect with something highly valued, I kind of wonder if he had resentment about the home rather than that it was a comfort to him.

I think you may have a point here. To me the house was just not a financial priority to him. He bought it from his mother I think bc he got a deal and prob could not have afforded a house at that point in life and the mother wanted out. My bet is that the house was never maintained well. I think he grew up living the same way - lots of deferred maintenance. Then it gets to a point where you don't really see it and it's not cost effective bc in a HCOL area
the house is a tear down anyway so the money you spend really has no pay back down the road economically.

I also do not want to discount the effect of genetics here on the killers behaviors. There is a quote from one of the articles about the Dad:
"Some neighbors recalled that when Rex Heuermann's father lived in that same house, he used to go jogging. They said he went jogging with an axe. That rumor is unconfirmed."
So maybe its just a case of the boys, Rex and his brother, inheriting a little too much of the father's dna. Nature/nurture/environment - its tricky imo.

I think its also possible that with all the time he says he spent in the shop with his Dad that he may resent that it was the Dad to die early and not the Mom. Making him resent women on a subconscious level. Add to that the whole madonna / thing with the killings. Good chaste and pure Madonna's and then the Bad promiscous and seductive "".

We only have a pin prick of data so all speculation. JMO

The serial killer next door: Gilgo Task Force seizes refrigerator, freezer, 2 cars at his Massapequa house | C.J.Teevan | NewsBreak Original

He was a mystery, this successful architect who grew up and lived in a little red house with green trim in Massapequa Park, a quiet, quaint community of ordinary people where an architect lived.

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[dotr]

Exclusive: Cousin of slain teen from NJ breaks silence as Gilgo probe expands to Las Vegas

One of the cold cases garnering attention from law enforcement amid the developments in the Gilgo Beach murder case involves the slaying of a teenage mom from New Jersey whose body was found off a Las Vegas highway.

longisland.news12.com

Unless i missed it, could not find a thread, used your link to get this one started, ty.

NV - NV- Victoria Camara, teen mom, body dumped in the desert, US 95, mile marker 52, murdered in Las Vegas area, 11 Aug.2003 *New initiative*

https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Homicide/Pages/casesbyyear2000-2009.aspx Case #: 030811-0649 Victim: Victoria Camara Date: August 11, 2003 Synopsis: On 08/11/2003 at approximately 0718 hours, Steven Webb, a gravel truck driver discovered the body of a Hispanic female in the desert area just south of...

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