Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Warwick7]

Have you read the actual doc? You should. There is a lot more than just pervy google searches. They have a ton of cell data Linking him to the burner phones. And those burner phones linked to victims and their families.

Bail application Rex Heuermann Gilgo Beach

www.documentcloud.org

Excellent comment!

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

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From the Bail app at pp. 7-8 (emphasis mine)

"After the client entered the home, a ruse was executed on the client whereby a person pretended to be the outraged boyfriend of Amber Costello and the client left from the residence, while Amber Costello retained the money the client had brought to pay for her services...

...Thereafter, at approximately 1:18 a.m., on September 2, after the ruse had been perpetrated, the burner cellphone sent a text message to the Costello Phone, which stated, “That was not nice so do i [sic] credit for next time.” Phone records show that the burner phone was located in Massapequa Park, within two minutes of this text message being sent.

.... the next day.. Ms. Costello was again contacted by the same client that was in the house the night before with the Avalanche. Further, “Amber told us that he wanted to see her again...

...the same burner cellphone from the previous evening again communicated with the Costello Phone...in Midtown Manhattan.... travel[ing] to Massapequa Park and had contacts with the Costello Phone at approximately 10:39 p.m. and 11:05 p.m.

Cell site records for the burner phone indicate that ... the phone [then] traveled to West Babylon in proximity to the residence of Amber Costello. Subsequently, Amber Costello left her own cellphone behind, walked out the front door of the residence, and was seen alive for the last time."

Rex Heuermann Bail Application

www.documentcloud.org

So is it Schaller who's claiming that the Frankenstein-looking guy was driving a Chevrolet Avalanche and was scammed by Amber Costello the very night before she disappeared? And that "Frankenstein" was the same guy who called and offered her $1500 and wanted to leave her phone behind? Or is it just the same burner phone involved in the calls and the messages? And why would anyone let her go with the same guy she scammed, especially if he was an ogre-looking guy who seemed VERY anxious to see her again, at another place and without her phone?

 

[Jurisprudence]

So is it Schaller who's claiming that the Frankenstein-looking guy was driving a Chevrolet Avalanche and was scammed by Amber Costello the very night before she disappeared? And that "Frankenstein" was the same guy who called and offered her $1500 and wanted to leave her phone behind? Or is it just the same burner phone involved in the calls and the messages? And why would anyone let her go with the same guy she scammed, especially if he was an ogre-looking guy who seemed VERY anxious to see her again, at another place and without her phone?

First part, I do not know. The filed document does not name the person but interestingly does use the term witnesses (plural) in the first part. Was there more than one person there one of those nights? Were there 2 different people there on different nights? One the night before and another the night of? Unclear. With respect to the second part, money is my guess.

jmo

 

[hazel324]

his defense will have to be that he just picked SWs who all happened to be killed by some one else- of course he called them....and he left hairs- of course he did. Not sure about the harassing calls to relatives. that's a tough one to explain away, but those will have to have been done by the other killer. wonder if he has any alibis for the days the victims disappeared. so long ago it would be unusual if he has calendars from those dates, but LE is saying it was when his family was away. He can have other SWs testify that he was always nice and polite to them; would not hurt a fly.

Hairs were stuck to the tape that bound the victims....whoever did the binding did the killing

 

[ArianeEmory]

So is it Schaller who's claiming that the Frankenstein-looking guy was driving a Chevrolet Avalanche and was scammed by Amber Costello the very night before she disappeared? And that "Frankenstein" was the same guy who called and offered her $1500 and wanted to leave her phone behind? Or is it just the same burner phone involved in the calls and the messages? And why would anyone let her go with the same guy she scammed, especially if he was an ogre-looking guy who seemed VERY anxious to see her again, at another place and without her phone?

I don’t think I’m following your breadcrumbs very well. Are you saying RH is innocent? Or just that he didn’t kill Amber Costello?

Interesting user name (“night terrors”), and welcome to websleuths.

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

"among the items uncovered were cellphone billing records for Defendant Heuermann corresponding to cell site locations for 1) the bumer cellphones used to arrange meetings with three of the four victims, 2) the taunting calls made to a relative of Ms. Barthelemy. 3) a call made by a detective to Ms. Barthelemy’s cellphone while looking into her disappearance and 4) calls checking voicemail on Ms. Brainard-Bames® cellphone after her disappearance." (DocumentCloud)


Maybe my English is off but does this text state that Heuermann's own cellphone (non-burner) records correspond to the same cell site locations as the burner phones? So cell sites/towers in or near Massapequa and Midtown Manhattan?

 

[FromGermany1]

I don't think he has that widow's peak in his hairline

THAT ^^ and also the suspect was mid 20's; RH was mid 30's then in 1997.

 

[ArianeEmory]

"among the items uncovered were cellphone billing records for Defendant Heuermann corresponding to cell site locations for 1) the bumer cellphones used to arrange meetings with three of the four victims, 2) the taunting calls made to a relative of Ms. Barthelemy. 3) a call made by a detective to Ms. Barthelemy’s cellphone while looking into her disappearance and 4) calls checking voicemail on Ms. Brainard-Bames® cellphone after her disappearance." (DocumentCloud)


Maybe my English is off but does this text state that Heuermann's own cellphone (non-burner) records correspond to the same cell site locations as the burner phones? So cell sites/towers in or near Massapequa and Midtown Manhattan?

Yes. Broadly speaking, he was smart enough to use burners, but not smart enough not to use them in the same locations as his legit phones and the phones of his victims. Though he’s not the first genius criminal to get caught like that.

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

I don’t think I’m following your breadcrumbs very well. Are you saying RH is innocent? Or just that he didn’t kill Amber Costello?

Interesting user name (“night terrors”), and welcome to websleuths.

I'm more or less saying that Schaller might be lying about something. And I don't think Heuermann is LISK. A more likely suspect is Bittrolff. There's that odd little connection between Rita Tangredi's daughter and Melissa Barthélemy. They were the best of friends.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I'm more or less saying that Schaller might be lying about something. And I don't think Heuermann is LISK. A more likely suspect is Bittrolff. There's that odd little connection between Rita Tangredi's daughter and Melissa Barthélemy. They were the best of friends.

How would you explain away the phone triangulations and the hair/dna on victims?

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm more or less saying that Schaller might be lying about something. And I don't think Heuermann is LISK. A more likely suspect is Bittrolff. There's that odd little connection between Rita Tangredi's daughter and Melissa Barthélemy. They were the best of friends.

How would RH and his wife's hair end up on the victims if Bittroff killed them?

MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm more or less saying that Schaller might be lying about something. And I don't think Heuermann is LISK. A more likely suspect is Bittrolff. There's that odd little connection between Rita Tangredi's daughter and Melissa Barthélemy. They were the best of friends.

You don’t think he murdered anyone? (The term “LISK” is a bit broad.)

 

[Lyanna]

Can you explain what "under motions" means please...

Use the link, Search his name and it brings the case up.
There's a couple of options, case details, summary, etc. Motions is the last option - under that heading is where it states about the buccal swab

 

[acutename]

Hairs were stuck to the tape that bound the victims....whoever did the binding did the killing

I think there are too many "coincidences" for a jury to not find RH responsible, but for argument's sake, the hairs could have been on the SWs' bodies or clothing prior to their being killed.

 

[FromGermany1]

He looks like anyone else that has been accused of being a serial killer. I have read all the pages in the Heuermann threads where people comment what an ogre he is, how scary he looks, how he would look killing the women, etc. He doesn't look scary. He's just tall and heavy set. He doesn't walk weirdly. There was nothing odd about him in the interview with the WEIRDO French guy. There was nothing odd about him in the recorded phone call to whatever her name is.

And Costello's pimp who claimed to have seen his car is lying. Watch the old documentaries, read the old articles about LISK. Not once did he mention a car. Then all of a sudden, 13 years later, a pickup truck appears. Hell, they didn't even report Costello missing back when she was murdered.
8TB might seem like much, but it isn't really. Michael Brown will crush this case easily, just wait and see.

I suspect the real reason for his burner phones is because he has been with prostitutes and wants to keep it a secret from his wife. Some of his search history is pervy but him Googling the Long Island murders and serial killers 200 times is just a pudgy guy being interested in serial murders, especially close to home. Maybe he's a websleuth?

bbm
I agree so far, as in my eyes he is not looking scary or ugly. To name him ie. "Frankenstein", I find completely exaggerated. Nevertheless he is a killer; we will learn, how many victims he left behind.

 

[Vern]

Burking Law and Legal Definition​

Burking means the crime of murdering a person, ordinarily by smothering, for thepurpose of selling the corpse.
The term derives its name from the method William Burke and William Hare, the Scottish murder team of the 19th century, used to kill their victims during the West Port murders. They realized that they could provide fresher bodies to medical schools for research by taking people who were intoxicated and suffocating them because they could not resist. That became known as burking. [Titlow v. Burt, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 111459 (D. Mich. 2010)].
They killed the victims by sitting on their chests and suffocating them by putting a hand over their nose and mouth, while using the other hand to push the victim's jaw up. The corpses had only few visible injuries, and this made the corpses more salable to medical schools.
The following is an example of a case law referring to the term:
The term "burking" was named after William Burke, who along with an accomplice in 1815, killed a number of people and sold their bodies to medical schools in Edinburgh, Scotland. Burke and his accomplice would follow and kill intoxicated individuals by one of them holding a hand over the victim's nose and mouth, while the other would sit on the victim's chest until he or she died of asphyxia. [ Tabish v. State, 119 Nev. 293, 321 (Nev. 2003)].

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• Burke Act
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(cos it took me 20 attempts , at least to complete their crazy puzzles to enter the site, I'll spare everyone the journey)

As per the Nursery Rhyme. Burke and Hare in 1820s Scotland from hence the term comes. Carries on into laws today.

Burke and Hare, grave robbers and murderers

The story of Burke and Hare, infamous grave-robbers and murderers in 19th century Edinburgh.

www.historic-uk.com

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

You don’t think he murdered anyone? (The term “LISK” is a bit broad.)

Nah, I don't think he murdered anyone. He's a john and a perv. But as I recall reading Schaller said that the Frankenstein-guy was somebody he didn't want mess with since he was twice his sizze. Scamming said giant would be messing with him, right? If Heuermann was the one being scammed one night prior to Amber disappearing and Schaller knew that he drove a Chevrolet Avalanche how come he seemed to have zero knowledge about what car Amber got into the next day? Surely he must have known it was Heuermann's Avalanche since he apparently told the police to look into Heuermann. Yet not a single word about brand of car or the giant meeting Amber in his interviews. In fact it seems the caller was a new client.

 

[Warwick7]

I'm more or less saying that Schaller might be lying about something. And I don't think Heuermann is LISK. A more likely suspect is Bittrolff. There's that odd little connection between Rita Tangredi's daughter and Melissa Barthélemy. They were the best of friends.

BBM
In moo it's always good to go over the Bail document again, then again.

Not just burners but the:

1.Phone data,

2. RH's billing records and cellphone site locations also were consistent with taunting calls made to a relative of Barthelemy,

3. The court filing stating a hair found on burlap that wrapped one of the victims was a DNA match to Heuermann

4. The billing records and cell site locations also ties Heuermann to calls checking the voicemail box on Brainard-Barnes’s cellphone after she went missing.

Bittrolff's dna and phone records and phone data have nothing to do with Gilco4. MOO

 

[squareandrabbet]

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bbm
I agree so far, as in my eyes he is not looking scary or ugly. To name him ie. "Frankenstein", I find completely exaggerated. Nevertheless he is a killer; we will learn, how many victims he left behind.

You really don't find it possible?

Basing it on the above picture at minimum, I find it eminently possible that some witness would characterize him as "Frankenstein", especially if their glimpse was snatched in the dark and outside.

He has large features and a squarish head like Frank; and an uneven/craggy/lumpy (however one wants to characterize it) overall countenance.

 

[Warwick7]

bbm
I agree so far, as in my eyes he is not looking scary or ugly. To name him ie. "Frankenstein", I find completely exaggerated. Nevertheless he is a killer; we will learn, how many victims he left behind.

MOO is he definitely looks scary. He has angry eyes. He has an angry face.