Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Soulmagent]

Don't we need balance to really examine any case? and DS? don't get me started. He didn't even report AC missing. He's essential to the case, but I don't have to like or trust him.

Pavor Nocturnus has made no secret of believing the wrong person has been arrested. I'll bet there are others who think the same thing.

It's difficult for me to see that having seen the phone info combined with the DNA. The mtDNA I would discount if it stood alone since I know it's not person-specific. So RH's mtDNA is shared with all his siblings and their daughters, as well as any descendants of his mother's sisters and his grandmother's sisters, and on back.

The mtDNA of RH's wife is passed on to both her children and shared also with her sister and any other siblings. Don't they all live in the area?

I am personally a perfect mtDNA match with a descendant of my great-grandmother's half-sister. So, our mtDNA has passed without mutation since the 1840s. It is not person-specific.

It is the total weight of the evidence presented so far that make me think they have the right person.

However, there's enough swirling about with the Costello case to make me suspect this is deeper and to wonder if it will be searched to the bottom or skimmed on the top for the low-lying fruit.

I'm also with Pavor Nocturnus as I don't see the photos of RH as intimidating or threatening. He's a big man, but without the charges I would not find him threatening.

At the hearing, his "icy" glare was an interpretation of the media, selling the audience on a serial killer monster. RH has been completely alone for 2 weeks now. Apparently he'll get no support from his family. His world is gone and he's facing the horrible knowledge that you can only be a famous serial killer IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

If he's lucky, when other men are arrested in the future, he may be trotted out, put in nice clothing and allowed to give interviews like Dennis Rader and Joel Rifkin were following his arrest. But RH may not have done enough to become really infamous. We'll have to wait and see. And he'll have to wade through this horrifying mess he's created before he gets there and to deal with all the emotional reactions I doubt he ever considered.

Poor sad serial killer only needs a therapist to help him cope with who he is as a person ?

And yes this is way deeper. However ,As much distrust I have in LE ,

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[DS2021]

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I hadn't heard that it was confirmed that there was evidence of bodies being buried in RH's backyard. Is there a link with LE saying otherwise? I thought the search of the backyard did not result in finding any evidence of burial of victims, IIRC.

As far as I know theres been no public mention of there being any evidence that there were bodies being buried in the backy

 

[Soulmagent]

As far as I know theres been no public mention of there being any evidence that there were bodies being buried in the backy

Thank jesus. Cause his wife ,is dealing with a ton and she does not need her green house to turn into a sarcophagus . I personaly am glad her home has not proven to be one.

 

[dotr]

lengthy article
Rachel Sharp
1 hour ago

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect’s contact with wife revealed

Asa Ellerup filed for divorce just days after the architect’s bombshell arrest for the murders of Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy and Amber Costello

www.independent.co.uk

''The wife of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann has stayed in contact with him since his bombshell arrest for the murders of at least three women, it has been revealed.

Asa Ellerup – who has been married to the accused serial killer for more than 20 years and shares two adult children with him – has spoken to her husband in “personal” jailhouse phone calls while he remains behind bars in Suffolk County jail, her attorney Robert Macedonio told CNN on Tuesday.

“I believe there has [been contact] but you have to realise any phone calls are recorded out of the facility,” he said, declining to detail the contents of those conversations.


As jailhouse calls are recorded, he said that he had advised Ms Ellerup not to discuss any details of the case with her husband by phone.

“So she’s been [on] very basic phone calls. Everything’s recorded. She’s not to discuss anything, and nor does his attorneys want him discussing anything about the allegations,” he said.''

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686764338084986880

 

[CuriousCricket]

And then, “how many women with Icelandic mito of this type pair with men who have (XYZ) mito and live in LI?”

I doubt it is common.

It is NOT common. However, there are other people in the same neighborhood who may have the same mtDNA of both Heuermanns. And the mtDNA has NOTHING to do with pairing with ANY man.
They DO have a hair from a man who has the same mtDNA as RH. However, it doesn't appear they could ID any of the Ypart of the sample since the bail application discusses only the mtDNA from the male.

The fact that from one victim's body, they have found one hair with RH's mtDNA and another hair with the mtDNA of his wife -- well that is very compelling, don't you think?

However, to me, the mtDNA is not strong enough, by itself, for me to vote to convict him. I don't think.

The mtDNA combined with the phone evidence, once it is presented in full, probably would be. But it's the combination. And who knows how much other evidence is already available. How compelling everything already is. The state has presented just enough to get the arrest warrant, then enough evidence to keep him in jail without bail.

I suspect the DA and LE are looking for DNA that will make RH's guilt undeniable. But with multiple crimes and mountains of material to test, catalog and evaluate, it's gonna be a long time.

 

[arielilane]

Gilgo Beach murder suspect's attorney says there will be no plea deals

Rex Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of three women found on New York's Long Island back in 2010.

www.wmar2news.com

last updated 9:34 AM, Aug 02, 2023

An attorney for the suspect in the string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders says there will not be any plea deals in the case.

Rex Heuermann was due back in court Tuesday for the first time since pleading not guilty to the murders of three women: Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Lynn Costello. All three women disappeared over a 14-month period before their bodies were discovered near Gilgo Beach on Long Island's South Shore in 2010.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

lengthy article
Rachel Sharp
1 hour ago

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect’s contact with wife revealed

Asa Ellerup filed for divorce just days after the architect’s bombshell arrest for the murders of Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy and Amber Costello

www.independent.co.uk

''The wife of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann has stayed in contact with him since his bombshell arrest for the murders of at least three women, it has been revealed.

Asa Ellerup – who has been married to the accused serial killer for more than 20 years and shares two adult children with him – has spoken to her husband in “personal” jailhouse phone calls while he remains behind bars in Suffolk County jail, her attorney Robert Macedonio told CNN on Tuesday.

“I believe there has [been contact] but you have to realise any phone calls are recorded out of the facility,” he said, declining to detail the contents of those conversations.


As jailhouse calls are recorded, he said that he had advised Ms Ellerup not to discuss any details of the case with her husband by phone.

“So she’s been [on] very basic phone calls. Everything’s recorded. She’s not to discuss anything, and nor does his attorneys want him discussing anything about the allegations,” he said.''

The conversations could be household things like - what bills are on auto-pay and what bills require a check? Their daughter was employed by him and he ran his own business - there might be tasks to do that require a conversation.

Or maybe that type of convo could be relayed through her lawyer?

jmo

 

[Barbie619]

Don't we need balance to really examine any case? and DS? don't get me started. He didn't even report AC missing. He's essential to the case, but I don't have to like or trust him.

Pavor Nocturnus has made no secret of believing the wrong person has been arrested. I'll bet there are others who think the same thing.

It's difficult for me to see that having seen the phone info combined with the DNA. The mtDNA I would discount if it stood alone since I know it's not person-specific. So RH's mtDNA is shared with all his siblings and their daughters, as well as any descendants of his mother's sisters and his grandmother's sisters, and on back.

The mtDNA of RH's wife is passed on to both her children and shared also with her sister and any other siblings. Don't they all live in the area?

I am personally a perfect mtDNA match with a descendant of my great-grandmother's half-sister. So, our mtDNA has passed without mutation since the 1840s. It is not person-specific.

It is the total weight of the evidence presented so far that make me think they have the right person.

However, there's enough swirling about with the Costello case to make me suspect this is deeper and to wonder if it will be searched to the bottom or skimmed on the top for the low-lying fruit.

I'm also with Pavor Nocturnus as I don't see the photos of RH as intimidating or threatening. He's a big man, but without the charges I would not find him threatening.

At the hearing, his "icy" glare was an interpretation of the media, selling the audience on a serial killer monster. RH has been completely alone for 2 weeks now. Apparently he'll get no support from his family. His world is gone and he's facing the horrible knowledge that you can only be a famous serial killer IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

If he's lucky, when other men are arrested in the future, he may be trotted out, put in nice clothing and allowed to give interviews like Dennis Rader and Joel Rifkin were following his arrest. But RH may not have done enough to become really infamous. We'll have to wait and see. And he'll have to wade through this horrifying mess he's created before he gets there and to deal with all the emotional reactions I doubt he ever considered.

I actually thought it was courageous of that comment against the setting of everyone believing RH is the right suspect. So yes I was surprised I usually don't see a comment on suspect who may be innocent. Right now it seems the evidence so far is stacking up against RH but time will tell.

I also haven't really seen the monster after yesterday's court appearance, I saw a very angry person instead. So it's either that he finally got caught and this is now his fate or that he's being made a spectacle and he's innocent and his life has been ruined for no reason. I believe they have captured the right man and time will tell.

As far as DS is concerned I don't share your opinion of him or how he handled his friends disappearance, he might have been scared for his life since RH knew where he lived. JMO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Gilgo Beach murder suspect's attorney says there will be no plea deals

Rex Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of three women found on New York's Long Island back in 2010.

www.wmar2news.com

last updated 9:34 AM, Aug 02, 2023

An attorney for the suspect in the string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders says there will not be any plea deals in the case.

Rex Heuermann was due back in court Tuesday for the first time since pleading not guilty to the murders of three women: Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Lynn Costello. All three women disappeared over a 14-month period before their bodies were discovered near Gilgo Beach on Long Island's South Shore in 2010.

Were plea deals offered? LOL

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

Gilgo Beach murder suspect's attorney says there will be no plea deals

Rex Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of three women found on New York's Long Island back in 2010.

www.wmar2news.com

last updated 9:34 AM, Aug 02, 2023

An attorney for the suspect in the string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders says there will not be any plea deals in the case.

Rex Heuermann was due back in court Tuesday for the first time since pleading not guilty to the murders of three women: Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Lynn Costello. All three women disappeared over a 14-month period before their bodies were discovered near Gilgo Beach on Long Island's South Shore in 2010.

Wow, 100 hours of surveillance footage recorded prior to his July 13 arrest. I want to see all of them pleeeeeeease!!!

 

[Warwick7]

Were plea deals offered? LOL

jmo

MOO this is a pre-emptive.
NO plea deal offered. MOO

 

[Barbie619]

The timing of these calls is also interesting as it has been stated that the Barthelemy calls were made from extremely busy locations so that even with cameras everywhere, it was impossible to trace the calls. 12:40 p.m. -- that suggests a lunch hour noon to 1 p.m.. The later time, with his personal phone, he was back on the job. At one point in the document, the point is made that at NO time when a call to the victims was being made was RH's phone active anywhere else. In other words, LE had attempted to find his personal phone AWAY from the burner phone or victims' phones and had not succeeded.

Edited to add: I hope the photos taken at the times the victims' phones were used are now scanned to see if RH can be located in the crowd. Wouldn't that be strong evidence if at the exact time Barthelemy's phone was being used to call her family by the man who said he killed her RH could be proven to be in the exact location of the phone call?

I tried looking for a man on a phone in a couple of locations and found that it was liking looking for a ant on a ant hill, nearly impossible.

 

[Charlot123]

It is NOT common. However, there are other people in the same neighborhood who may have the same mtDNA of both Heuermanns. And the mtDNA has NOTHING to do with pairing with ANY man.
They DO have a hair from a man who has the same mtDNA as RH. However, it doesn't appear they could ID any of the Ypart of the sample since the bail application discusses only the mtDNA from the male.

The fact that from one victim's body, they have found one hair with RH's mtDNA and another hair with the mtDNA of his wife -- well that is very compelling, don't you think?

However, to me, the mtDNA is not strong enough, by itself, for me to vote to convict him. I don't think.

The mtDNA combined with the phone evidence, once it is presented in full, probably would be. But it's the combination. And who knows how much other evidence is already available. How compelling everything already is. The state has presented just enough to get the arrest warrant, then enough evidence to keep him in jail without bail.

I suspect the DA and LE are looking for DNA that will make RH's guilt undeniable. But with multiple crimes and mountains of material to test, catalog and evaluate, it's gonna be a long time.

(I said XYZ because I don’t know RH’s mito haplotype. I didn’t mean Y chromosome). Nor did I mean pairing with men, I read that he left his hair on one body, too. This is a combo of mitos, even if there were her hair on one body and his, on another. Time, place, hair ——> house.

I think the combo of “his mito-her mito” itself would lower the probability; their trip pattern will lower it more. The calls, even more. The witness, even more. They just need to prove one case, IMHO. The rest? How many, where? Relatives need a closure…but it might take a while.

Here is an interesting article about Icelandic mitos that I haven’t fully finished myself as I can’t open Table 1 and 2 on my iPhone. Will finish in the evening. Still curious. As always, it is was more heterogeneous than one might expect.

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[Deleted member 117884]

MOO this is a pre-emptive.
I would imagine NO plea deal offered.

Exactly. He is spinning it to look like an innocent man wouldn't take a plea deal, when, in fact, the case is so tight that a deal wasn't offered. That's what it looks like to me. jmo

 

[Lyanna]

I am going to guess they are looking for the hotel stamps on bibles ,maybe?

Possibly a ripped page with one of the women, from a bible?
They'd want to match something like that, wouldn't they?

Just thinking out loud

Moo

 

[Charlot123]

I actually thought it was courageous of that comment against the setting of everyone believing RH is the right suspect. So yes I was surprised I usually don't see a comment on suspect who may be innocent. Right now it seems the evidence so far is stacking up against RH but time will tell.

I also haven't really seen the monster after yesterday's court appearance, I saw a very angry person instead. So it's either that he finally got caught and this is now his fate or that he's being made a spectacle and he's innocent and his life has been ruined for no reason. I believe they have captured the right man and time will tell.

As far as DS is concerned I don't share your opinion of him or how he handled his friends disappearance, he might have been scared for his life since RH knew where he lived. JMO

The evidence does look overwhelming. I am usually “the presumption of innocence” person, so I am still waiting for more evidence in other cases. But RH started a while ago and maybe got more bold; technology developed, too. His case seems pretty convincing IMHO. Also - maybe not all in LI police were not totally honest, but we can’t negate the scientific expertise of NYC.

 

[Charlot123]

Possibly a ripped page with one of the women, from a bible?
They'd want to match something like that, wouldn't they?

Just thinking out loud

Moo

He doesn’t look like a religious guy but I wonder if he was ever ordained a pastor, maybe for civil weddings? Who knows.

 

[Charlot123]

lengthy article
Rachel Sharp
1 hour ago

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect’s contact with wife revealed

Asa Ellerup filed for divorce just days after the architect’s bombshell arrest for the murders of Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy and Amber Costello

www.independent.co.uk

''The wife of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann has stayed in contact with him since his bombshell arrest for the murders of at least three women, it has been revealed.

Asa Ellerup – who has been married to the accused serial killer for more than 20 years and shares two adult children with him – has spoken to her husband in “personal” jailhouse phone calls while he remains behind bars in Suffolk County jail, her attorney Robert Macedonio told CNN on Tuesday.

“I believe there has [been contact] but you have to realise any phone calls are recorded out of the facility,” he said, declining to detail the contents of those conversations.


As jailhouse calls are recorded, he said that he had advised Ms Ellerup not to discuss any details of the case with her husband by phone.

“So she’s been [on] very basic phone calls. Everything’s recorded. She’s not to discuss anything, and nor does his attorneys want him discussing anything about the allegations,” he said.''

There is nothing wrong in it. Where does he keep tax returns, combination to his safe, whatnot. Nothing wrong in it.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I think that, simply, like a lot of us before the bail documentation hit the public, he assumed that burner phones weren't able to be traced to him. Why be elusive if you think LE has no way of knowing it's you?

MOO

No reason, there. BUT from a practical standpoint, if you have two phones, fired up and ready, you might make a call on the wrong phone - YOUR phone makes an incriminating call. However, if you keep one turned off, you'll know immediately if you have the right phone or not. From the few records we've seen, he made a couple of mistakes. Perhaps he made others. Knowing these could be dangerous mistakes, he decided to troubleshoot the situation and come up with something to prevent that in the future.