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“Look, I don’t want to walk down the street. I heard what people said about us. I heard it,” Ellerup said through tears.

“I heard the other people in the neighborhood. They want the house bulldozed. Do you understand? Please, I can’t talk anymore,” she told the outlet.
 
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“Look, I don’t want to walk down the street. I heard what people said about us. I heard it,” Ellerup said through tears.

“I heard the other people in the neighborhood. They want the house bulldozed. Do you understand? Please, I can’t talk anymore,” she told the outlet.
I root for her all the time. I'm also happy for her that her account with the lawfirm is skyrocketing. I dont want her hearing the gossip other neighbors are saying. It doesnt do her or her children any good. However, I can also understand why others want the home gone.

This murderer has had the public in a fear threshold ever since bodies started being discovered. Yes, a fear threshold.
 
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1. Money
2. Naturally having a personality that is trusting naive….no one expects to meet a serial killer snd be tortured and murdered.in fact, most people can’t believe they are around. (We follow these crimes. We know. Have you ever tried to convince a young girl, daughter, etc, to be more careful? Close the shades? Don’t go out late at night alone drinking? Jog in well populated areas not forlorn hiking trails? Etc etc and they get frustrated with you? They think it is impossible. humans weirdly can’t conceive what they haven’t experienced …the more gruesome the less likely people are to believ it is possible. I survived a lot of violence and was blamed for mentioning it despite police and medical records etc. people just don’t think it’s possible. Particularly with a man they met.) So amber and her boyfriend Pooh-poohed their fears and she got in the car.
3. Why did she agree no cellphone? Maybe she felt guilty about ruse … wanted or desperately needed $1500.00, and thought what he said made sense. (Maybe he said something like so you don’t call your boyfriend to scam me again,) he is very intelligent. That’s a problem.
Do we know if she used a cell phone as part of the scam? Maybe he said no cell phone since you used it to scam me last time. Just thinking out loud.
 
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In one of the storage units, and we (the public) are not informed about it?

I think storage unit places are very well monitored; they do not want to be held responsible for things like people claiming their items were stolen. It sounds like a harder place to get away with murder than a hotel, IMO. Also, any time Heuermann had access, so did the owners of all the other units. He couldn't be sure of privacy. And what does he say to his victim? What pretext could he use for going to a storage unit?

MOO
 
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“Look, I don’t want to walk down the street. I heard what people said about us. I heard it,” Ellerup said through tears.

“I heard the other people in the neighborhood. They want the house bulldozed. Do you understand? Please, I can’t talk anymore,” she told the outlet.
This couple unwittingly allowed SK Bruce M. to store items in their garage, turns out he was also filling the flower planters on the property with the remains of his victims.

The homeowners were only casually acquainted with BM, not quite the same situation as AE, but they too had to leave the home they loved while it was turned upside down, people speculated that they might sell- but no, instead..
2018
It's very interesting and bizarre to watch your own home on television and seeing neighbours that you've never met being interviewed and talking about you and your home," Fraser told As It Happens guest host Helen Mann.
"I found it horrifying and captivating."
On Jan. 18, police officers arrived at Fraser's home on Mallory Crescent in the Leaside neighbourhood with a warrant and told her and her husband they had 20 minutes to clear out.''

2020 rbbm
''The homeowners of a mid-Toronto home now known for being the site where serial killer Bruce McArthur buried the remains of many of his victims held a memorial on Saturday to mark the second anniversary of his arrest.
Braving the cold, pastors and community members joined owners Karen Fraser and Ron Smith on their front lawn at 53 Mallory Cres. to honour the victims and celebrate their lives.''
 
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Norville and others behind the movie rushed to action. They updated the end of it with the latest information on the case, including new footage and video from press conferences. They're calling the refreshed version, The Gilgo Beach Killer, and it debuts on Lifetime on Sunday — days after Heuermann, who's pleaded not guilty, made his first appearance in court.

Norville said the new title is one they had considered for the original version of the movie, but they decided to keep the focus on Mari Gilbert.

"She's really the hero of this story. None of these murders would have been discovered if not for her determination and her persistence," Norville says of Gilbert, who, sadly, was killed by another of her daughters in 2016.
 
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I think storage unit places are very well monitored; they do not want to be held responsible for things like people claiming their items were stolen. It sounds like a harder place to get away with murder than a hotel, IMO. Also, any time Heuermann had access, so did the owners of all the other units. He couldn't be sure of privacy. And what does he say to his victim? What pretext could he use for going to a storage unit?

MOO
You might be surprised how lackadaisical some places are.
 
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It would be lovely if an organization mobilized locals to return the home to habitable and expand from there to homey.

In times of crisis, look for the helpers.

Easy to volunteer other people's time and resources from the cheap seats here, but that is her home and their worlds just came crashing down, as reflected in the state of the home presently. I dream of a blitz spritz! Restoration, repairs, fresh paint, fresh flooring, fresh landscaping -- providing a safe, unbroken place to live in now and one to sell when/if she so chose.

If only....

Jmo
 
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Why where the victims placed on the north side of Ocean Parkway if Heuermann is the killer and lives at 105 1st Avenue in Massapequa Park? Wouldn't he have taken Wantagh State Parkway to get to Gilgo Beach? Why drive past Lindenhurst and Babylon?

MOO
Why didn't the criminal perform crime better/more efficiently? is a common question here.
 
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Why didn't the criminal perform crime better/more efficiently? is a common question here.
<modsnip> I believe the killer came from the east.

MOO <modsnip>
 
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It would be lovely if an organization mobilized locals to return the home to habitable and expand from there to homey.

In times of crisis, look for the helpers.

Easy to volunteer other people's time and resources from the cheap seats here, but that is her home and their worlds just came crashing down, as reflected in the state of the home presently. I dream of a blitz spritz! Restoration, repairs, fresh paint, fresh flooring, fresh landscaping -- providing a safe, unbroken place to live in now and one to sell when/if she so chose.

If only....

Jmo

But if it turns out that he kept souvenirs there, or worst case, killed victims there, would she even want to live there? I wouldn't.
 
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But if it turns out that he kept souvenirs there, or worst case, killed victims there, would she even want to live there? I wouldn't.
I would want OUT but I find it easy to make snap decisions and take action. She might not be like that and the whole process of moving might feel more overwhelming than putting the house back together again. She did mention her anxiety is high, and I can totally understand. It's hard to do anything or even think when so stressed. I hope she has some support, not just financially, but with planning what to do day-by-day.

jmo
 
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In papers filed in the Suffolk County Criminal Court on Tuesday, officials at the District Attorney's Office said investigators want to compare DNA from Heuermann's cheek with DNA recovered from the pizza crust and napkin he tossed out in January.

The DNA profile created from the pizza crust and napkin is a 99.96 percent match with the DNA profile created from hair recovered from the 'bottom of the burlap' bag used to transport Waterman's naked body, according to the documents obtained by the New York Daily News.

Without the sample, Assistant District Attorney Michelle Haddad argued, forensic biologists would only be able to reference the pizza crust and napkin as being 'purported to be used/touched' by Heuermann.

A cheek swab, she said, 'would provide further relevant evidence of the defendant's identity as the perpetrator of these crimes.'

Haddad also requested that a Suffolk County Supreme Court Justice allow police officers to photograph and video record the cheek swabbing process.
 
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But if it turns out that he kept souvenirs there, or worst case, killed victims there, would she even want to live there? I wouldn't.

I would want OUT but I find it easy to make snap decisions and take action. She might not be like that and the whole process of moving might feel more overwhelming than putting the house back together again. She did mention her anxiety is high, and I can totally understand. It's hard to do anything or even think when so stressed. I hope she has some support, not just financially, but with planning what to do day-by-day.

jmo
She might not be in a position to go anywhere else.

RH has left a wake of victims, including his own family.

JMO
 
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<modsnip>. I believe the killer came from the east.

MOO <modsnip>
Interesting. Why? Other than side of road? Since we don't know where the women were killed, perhaps Heuermann's kill place was to the east.Perhaps someone he knew spent a lot of time along that road somehow and he was more likely to be recognized if he took the closest road . . . The distances are not that much different. Perhaps he wanted them on a particular side of the road for his own reasons, and it was more accessible to come in that way.

Another reason may be that Jones Beach was HIS territory - That's the park he grew up in, worked in as a youngster, where he and his family frequented. He kept the SWs and his secret life away from that area, which would involve approaching the shore from the Gilgo Beach end instead of Jones Beach. It was summertime. Did he take them to the beach for their trysts?
 
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