Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Just K]

A few more pictures of Massapequa Park (my own from today 8/6/13).

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You wouldn’t find me riding or hiking there alone.

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Well, the 'bipolar disorder' dx for Bundy came from Dorothy Otnow Lewis, and everyone who followed Gannon's trial knows EXACTLY how much validity they should give anything coming from her.

MOO

As someone who is familiar with her but not the trial, where would be a good place to start in terms of reading up on her "validity"?

 

[iamshadow21]

As someone who is familiar with her but not the trial, where would be a good place to start in terms of reading up on her "validity"?

Wikipedia, then go from there? There was a documentary made about her some years ago, Crazy Not Insane. She's basically been a witness for hire for over forty years. She doesn't believe in the death penalty or in sociopathy. She is the person you get on the stand if you are a defense attorney and you have a brutal offender or serial killer who you want to portray as a sad abused child who wasn't responsible for their actions. It very rarely works, and in certain cases, especially in Gannon's trial, her performance on the stand probably just made the trial outcome more certain rather than providing a mitigating factor in the eyes of the jury. She is in her late eighties now, and I would hope that her appearance in Gannon's trial would be her last. I would hope that by the time RH comes to trial, there is absolutely no possibility for her to speak for him even if they want her to.

In terms of her validity, her views have always been fringe, she hasn't published anything peer reviewed since the eighties, and even then, the methods she used to support her assertions were questioned. In Gannon's trial, the contrast between the state psych witnesses and Lewis was stark. The state witnesses laid out the testing that was done, the specific ways they handle a patient who has reason to be deceptive with them and how they safeguard against that. Lewis, it was completely the opposite. They had video excerpts of her interviews with the defendant, LS, that they played for the jury... the video spoke for itself.

MOO

 

[dotr]

''Aug 3, 2023 Law&Crime Sidebar Podcast
Asa Ellerup’s world has been turned upside down since her husband — Rex Heuermann — was arrested for the murders of three New York women. Their bodies were found scattered along Gilgo Beach in Long Island several years ago. The Law&Crime Network’s Angenette Levy spoke with Ellerup’s attorney — Robert Macedonio — about her life before the arrest and how everything’s changed.''

 

[Momoffourboys]

This coming Sunday 8/13

The Long Island Serial Killer: Special Report

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688339307042385921

 

[Friday13]

You wouldn’t find me riding or hiking there alone.

There is a wooded trail on the north shore of LI that I used to walk through alone. There’s a beautiful spot with a long dock on a pond, very secluded and one day I was there alone just admiring the view and a man came by saying how pretty it was and also looked at me and said “this is a great place to hide a body”…. I hightailed it outta there and never went back alone! It gave me the creeps enough to avoid that spot for a long time!

 

[iamshadow21]

There is a wooded trail on the north shore of LI that I used to walk through alone. There’s a beautiful spot with a long dock on a pond, very secluded and one day I was there alone just admiring the view and a man came by saying how pretty it was and also looked at me and said “this is a great place to hide a body”…. I hightailed it outta there and never went back alone! It gave me the creeps enough to avoid that spot for a long time!

It's a hard thing for those of use who love solitude and wild places but also walk through the world with the perceived vulnerability of being or appearing female. I used to walk for my health, daily, in the remote village I lived in for years. Only a couple of dozen people lived there, and the walks I took wound through bushland that was dizzying with the white trunks of eucalypts, and deceptively deadly with the hidden mouths of hundred year old mineshafts. I regularly walked up to 8km without seeing another soul. I rarely felt unsafe there, even though if I'd gone missing, I would have been easily 'disappeared'. It was once I moved back to the 'big smoke' that I stopped walking like that. I felt more frightened walking the loop of the roads in my suburb surrounded by hundreds of people and constant car traffic, and the unforgiving cement paths were more damaging to my body than the slick clay mud and rolling sharp rocks and boulders ever were. I was probably just fortunate that nobody in village bore me ill will, or watched me with murder in their heart. I certainly would have been alone and without help if anyone stumbled across me out there, whereas, for all that the tale of Kitty Genovese and others like her tell us of how alone we are surrounded by other humans, at least in a city the potential for rescue exists.

The difference, as always, is that for that man you met, it was probably just an observation that amused but did not alarm him, whereas for many of the rest of us, the possibility of being murdered by a stranger and left in the woods is something we are conditioned to and braced for the potential of from a very early age. And we know that the person who can do such a thing doesn't have to look like a cartoon villain - most of the time they look and act like a normal person. RH looks exactly like I expected him to, if I'm honest. A middle aged architect with grooming and dress stuck in the seventies to early eighties. Unremarkable. Tall, yes, but I have men in my extended family almost as tall, if not quite as large with it.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

There is a wooded trail on the north shore of LI that I used to walk through alone. There’s a beautiful spot with a long dock on a pond, very secluded and one day I was there alone just admiring the view and a man came by saying how pretty it was and also looked at me and said “this is a great place to hide a body”…. I hightailed it outta there and never went back alone! It gave me the creeps enough to avoid that spot for a long time!

Wonder if that spot needs to be pointed out to LE? He may just have enjoyed watching you scramble or he may have just been stating fact.

 

[dotr]

'' Streamed live 14 hours ago #truecrime #rexheuermann #heuermann
#truecrime #rexheuermann #heuermann #rachelmorin #truecrimeyoutubers 00:03:15 Revisiting1122 King Road in Idaho 00:06:14 Maryland Woman Vanishes after Nature Walk- Rachel Morin 00:41:35 Murder Inc- Early LISK 01:02:35 Brentwood Woman's Body found 01:23:30 1982 Coney Island 01:37:15 Lynbrook 15 year old girl Sought 02:40:15 Hempstead Woman's body found under Golf Course bushes 02:45:32 Missing Hyoid Bone 02:58:08 Woman's Body found near Amityville 03:17:15 Thanks to you & Mary Lou's Cup of Tea Lets take a look at unsolved murders and missing persons in the general Area of where Rex Heuermann grew up using https://murderincorp.wordpress.com/ea... ''

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Wikipedia, then go from there? There was a documentary made about her some years ago, Crazy Not Insane. She's basically been a witness for hire for over forty years. She doesn't believe in the death penalty or in sociopathy. She is the person you get on the stand if you are a defense attorney and you have a brutal offender or serial killer who you want to portray as a sad abused child who wasn't responsible for their actions. It very rarely works, and in certain cases, especially in Gannon's trial, her performance on the stand probably just made the trial outcome more certain rather than providing a mitigating factor in the eyes of the jury. She is in her late eighties now, and I would hope that her appearance in Gannon's trial would be her last. I would hope that by the time RH comes to trial, there is absolutely no possibility for her to speak for him even if they want her to.

In terms of her validity, her views have always been fringe, she hasn't published anything peer reviewed since the eighties, and even then, the methods she used to support her assertions were questioned. In Gannon's trial, the contrast between the state psych witnesses and Lewis was stark. The state witnesses laid out the testing that was done, the specific ways they handle a patient who has reason to be deceptive with them and how they safeguard against that. Lewis, it was completely the opposite. They had video excerpts of her interviews with the defendant, LS, that they played for the jury... the video spoke for itself.

MOO

Apologies, just wanted to hear your perspective. Thanks.

 

[Just K]

Wonder if that spot needs to be pointed out to LE? He may just have enjoyed watching you scramble or he may have just been stating fact.

I’ve come to believe that statements like that, when not made in private with a close friend or family member, are intentionally sadistic and indicative of someone with either no adequate social boundaries or meant to scare others. Especially if an unknown male says it to a woman.

 

[Sundog]

where is the info about her and the kids sleeping in a vehicle?

I googled and have read 4 different articles none of which mention it

Prosecutors in Gilgo Beach killings are giving Rex Heuermann's defense a vast trove of evidence

Weeks after charging Long Island architect Rex Heuermann in a string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders, prosecutors say they’ve begun providing his lawyer with reams of evidence

abcnews.go.com

 

[charminglane]

It's a hard thing for those of use who love solitude and wild places but also walk through the world with the perceived vulnerability of being or appearing female. I used to walk for my health, daily, in the remote village I lived in for years. Only a couple of dozen people lived there, and the walks I took wound through bushland that was dizzying with the white trunks of eucalypts, and deceptively deadly with the hidden mouths of hundred year old mineshafts. I regularly walked up to 8km without seeing another soul. I rarely felt unsafe there, even though if I'd gone missing, I would have been easily 'disappeared'. It was once I moved back to the 'big smoke' that I stopped walking like that. I felt more frightened walking the loop of the roads in my suburb surrounded by hundreds of people and constant car traffic, and the unforgiving cement paths were more damaging to my body than the slick clay mud and rolling sharp rocks and boulders ever were. I was probably just fortunate that nobody in village bore me ill will, or watched me with murder in their heart. I certainly would have been alone and without help if anyone stumbled across me out there, whereas, for all that the tale of Kitty Genovese and others like her tell us of how alone we are surrounded by other humans, at least in a city the potential for rescue exists.

The difference, as always, is that for that man you met, it was probably just an observation that amused but did not alarm him, whereas for many of the rest of us, the possibility of being murdered by a stranger and left in the woods is something we are conditioned to and braced for the potential of from a very early age. And we know that the person who can do such a thing doesn't have to look like a cartoon villain - most of the time they look and act like a normal person. RH looks exactly like I expected him to, if I'm honest. A middle aged architect with grooming and dress stuck in the seventies to early eighties. Unremarkable. Tall, yes, but I have men in my extended family almost as tall, if not quite as large with it.

MOO

BBM. BAM!
You just boiled my lifetime fear down to 2 sentences!
This is the case that drove fear into me as a child growing up in the same town:

PA - Gretchen Harrington, 8, found murdered, Marple Twp, 15 Aug 1975 *arrest in 2023*

Hey everybody! I've got another cold case. This one is in Pennsylvania... and unfortunately, there has not been much news about it. Basically, 8-year-old Gretchen Harrington, disappeared while walking to Bible School in Marple Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania. Her body was found off a...

www.websleuths.com

 

[DetectiveDraper]

'' Streamed live 14 hours ago #truecrime #rexheuermann #heuermann
#truecrime #rexheuermann #heuermann #rachelmorin #truecrimeyoutubers 00:03:15 Revisiting1122 King Road in Idaho 00:06:14 Maryland Woman Vanishes after Nature Walk- Rachel Morin 00:41:35 Murder Inc- Early LISK 01:02:35 Brentwood Woman's Body found 01:23:30 1982 Coney Island 01:37:15 Lynbrook 15 year old girl Sought 02:40:15 Hempstead Woman's body found under Golf Course bushes 02:45:32 Missing Hyoid Bone 02:58:08 Woman's Body found near Amityville 03:17:15 Thanks to you & Mary Lou's Cup of Tea Lets take a look at unsolved murders and missing persons in the general Area of where Rex Heuermann grew up using https://murderincorp.wordpress.com/ea... ''

Well I know what I'm watching on my lunch break!

 

[Warwick7]

Mother's quest to find daughter led to the eventual arrest of suspect in Gilgo Beach serial killings

Mari Gilbert, in the final years of her life, pressured police to take her daughter's disappearance seriously. She fought tirelessly to ensure that Shannan and the other victims would not be forgotten.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Warwick7]

Interesting...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688571563153436672

 

[arielilane]

I have speculated, theorized, & flat said there will be more victims connected to LISK. Additional victims will identified. I believe this is the work of Othram. Looking at this map I believe that Peaches, her baby, & the Asian male will be identified soon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688273138017042432

My theory about why LISK serial killer placed his victims facing North: as an Architect, Rex Heuermann would use True North and Project North. The victims were all placed in a row like a City Scape! These were his trophies like his buildings!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688571621584351233

https://twitter.com/149Zone7

 

[Warwick7]

I don't know it it is connected at all but stranger things have happened.

SHOCKING: Human Foot Found In Staten Island Waters | 77 WABC

(Staten Island, NY) — A severed foot was found floating in Great Kills Harbor on Sunday, according to authorities. The startling discovery was reported by a tugboat worker, prompting an immediate resp

wabcradio.com

 

[iamshadow21]

I don't know it it is connected at all but stranger things have happened.

SHOCKING: Human Foot Found In Staten Island Waters | 77 WABC

(Staten Island, NY) — A severed foot was found floating in Great Kills Harbor on Sunday, according to authorities. The startling discovery was reported by a tugboat worker, prompting an immediate resp

wabcradio.com

Most feet found in waterways aren't due to dismemberments. When a body decomposes, the ankle comes apart fairly early, and most modern shoes are composed of foam rubber and plastic, so they float.

Salish Sea human foot discoveries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How science solved the mystery of feet washing ashore in the Pacific Northwest

The unsettling discoveries along the Salish Sea prompted talk of serial killers, aliens, and psychics. The truth is even more unexpected.

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[Bree1950]

Agree, and if you remember, the witness saw the driver being "a white guy in eyeglasses". Early (high school) photos of RH reveal that he was not an "ogre" at that time. Tall and probably, broad-shouldered, but not standing out in eyeglasses, as his most prominent facial trait, small eyes and wide nasal bridge, would be obscured by the frame.

I found it interesting that the article said her hyoid bone was missing.