Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[MyBelle]

Something tells me that if there were any meat to this he would have already visited with LE. But if there is truth to his allegations/innuendo - how does John Ray know that one thing led to another - the mere act of having a sex worker in your home afaik does not lead to killing them and dumping their bodies. I am anxious to see what reaction we get to his statements. These are the type of lawyers imo that give lawyers a bad name. That applies to Asa’s lawyer as well. File to maintain her rights but enough with the grandstanding. Imo.

BBM. There seems to be jealousy amongst the lawyers about the fund-raising. I view the wife and children as victims and am glad the neighbors have treated them with such kindness.

JMO

 

[bestill]

Regarding John Ray's accusations of AE's involvement in RH's activities.

A lot of people are disgusted with John Ray for that. Bearing in mind John Ray has been pretty accurate in his opinions all along, I just ask one question of the wives out their on this forum.

If you were in AE's situation would you also be totally unaware of everything RH was doing?

BBM - I know of a couple that were married for 45 years, her husband cheated on her every opportunity he could get, she never acknowledged it or reacted to it. Personally I think she preferred denial vs truth and that way she could stay married. Some women just don't want to know, do I think this is the case with AH? Maybe or I think she was dealing with two children with special needs, her own personal illness, a husband that was providing for her yet she had boundaries with her spending and was somewhat controlled. She was just living life, doing all she should and could. No judgment from me - All JMO

 

[Vern]

I agree with you. The press conference was in very poor taste. It was like a marketing ploy to gain sympathy and money in my opinion. I don't consider AE responsible for RH's alleged crimes. But I don't consider her a victim like the girls' were. It's sad she finds herself in this predicament but why announce her health struggles to the world and that her insurance will run out, if not to gain sympathy or money? I'm sure the poor families of the girls received nothing while they were trying to cope with the emotional and physical impacts of their murders. To me, it seems so unfair. I have my own opinions of the families of SK's trying to monetize their so-called fame. MOO

Personally, I can't seem to find a G*M for the murder victims.

It seems to me unfair to blame RH's family for the lack of a fund set up in the murder victims names and, while doing so, claim that the wife is complicit in the murders to the public when LE has clearly stated she was out of country or state when the murders ccured. AND, it's critical to note that the G*M for RH's faily wasn't set up by them OR their attorney; it was set up by the daughter of a serial killer who knew/experinced exactlly what this family now is --- vengeful wrath for the misdeeds of the killer. He is soley responsible for his actions.

If the attorney has evidence/witness' to the contrary he has yet to advise LE of such.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Funny but I think it's more likely the opposite. I bet it was his behavior for at the last 15 years has been a contributing factor in AH's health issues. He's been living a double life and probably loved that no one knew. He doesn't seem to have been a very supportive husband/father considering how much time he spent away from them. Bet she bared the burden of everything within that house and he just neglected his family. He has no excuse for what he's done and we shouldn't excuse 'stressor's' as a contributing factor... JMO

Absolutely agreed and you make very good points. It wasn’t at all my intention to sound like I was blaming her for his awfulness, because I wasn’t. My heart goes out to her and the kids. The blame rests all on him.

 

[Barbie619]

... and the 3 hairs, they found on the victim's remains, can be tested for cancer drugs too. Would be double proof.

A couple of weeks ago Larry Kobalinski from John Jay College said that humans shed approximately 135 hairs per day, not including brushing or combing, or shower/baths. But according to LE the hairs don't contain DNA from AE, only that the hairs are similar to her. But maybe now that they swabbed AE for DNA that can make a connection to the hairs found on the victims.

 

[Barbie619]

Personally, I can't seem to find a G*M for the murder victims.

It seems to me unfair to blame RH's family for the lack of a fund set up in the murder victims names and, while doing so, claim that the wife is complicit in the murders to the public when LE has clearly stated she was out of country or state when the murders ccured. AND, it's critical to note that the G*M for RH's faily wasn't set up by them OR their attorney; it was set up by the daughter of a serial killer who knew/experinced exactlly what this family now is --- vengeful wrath for the misdeeds of the killer. He is soley responsible for his actions.

If the attorney has evidence/witness' to the contrary he has yet to advise LE of such.

Yes, Yes, Yes! If John Ray has an actual witness, he is basically withholding vital evidence in this case.

 

[sds71]

Personally, I can't seem to find a G*M for the murder victims.

There is one set up for Jessica Taylor’s family.

 

[Maat99]

Don't forget that blowing off the tax tear after year accumulates penalties and interest. There is no evidence of poverty, but no evidence of 400k a year, either.

I had already assumed some penalty in that number. With no penalty, a tax of that amount would be for roughly $450,000 in annual income. If he was given the max penalty of 25%, that tax amount would be for roughly $375,000 in annual income. MOO

 

[SonsOfCain]

I’m in the US and currently fighting a very treatable cancer. I’m fortunate to have insurance with a reasonably low deductible, and I had the means to pay it. But looking through the billing going back and forth between the hospital and my insurance, something like $40k has been billed for just one outpatient surgery. (I hesitate to call it “minor”, but it was minor compared to a mastectomy, for example.)

Holy crap that’s insane. You would think insurance would cover more for someone’s cancer treatment (especially since, you know, you’re the one that pays to have insurance in the first place). The whole health care system in this damn country just needs a huge overhaul. I am so sorry you’re going through it. Good to hear that it is very treatable and I hope everything looks up for you, but I can imagine it’s still a scary/very nerve wracking thing to go through.

I don’t know you, but you got this!!! Kick that cancer right in it’s a s s

 

[Deleted member 117884]

BBM - I know of a couple that were married for 45 years, her husband cheated on her every opportunity he could get, she never acknowledged it or reacted to it. Personally I think she preferred denial vs truth and that way she could stay married. Some women just don't want to know, do I think this is the case with AH? Maybe or I think she was dealing with two children with special needs, her own personal illness, a husband that was providing for her yet she had boundaries with her spending and was somewhat controlled. She was just living life, doing all she should and could. No judgment from me - All JMO

It looked to me that the lawyer was saying he has a witness or informant who says the wife was at the house when RH brought home SW. If that is true (and we don't know it is), that doesn't implicate her in murder. The two things are not the same. All it says, imo, is she had a really lousy husband from an outsider's point of view.

What she actually knew and why she put up with it probably is complicated and perhaps she couldn't even articulate it.

jmo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

 

[Deleted member 117884]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

Geez, it's one thing to like macabre items but quite another to profit from victims who still have family living and missing them.

 

[Not a Belle]

Regarding John Ray's accusations of AE's involvement in RH's activities.

A lot of people are disgusted with John Ray for that. Bearing in mind John Ray has been pretty accurate in his opinions all along, I just ask one question of the wives out their on this forum.

If you were in AE's situation would you also be totally unaware of everything RH was doing?

In the marriage I am in, no. In one with a different dynamic, possibly. I have worked extensively with survivors of domestic abuse, and they frequently have no or very limited, controlled access to information about their own lives, much less the lives of others, particularly their partners. Even in non-abusive relationships, people hide things. I don’t think many people would make the leap from “something seems wrong” to “my partner is a serial killer.” MOO.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Cancer is not a known factor in the motivation of serial killers afaik.

No it’s not. I probably did not explain my thoughts very well, but I was thinking more in terms of the psychology of serial killers’ minds. He took a “break” from murdering (as far as we know yet anyway) and it has been proven that stressful/difficult life events can push serial killers to start killing again. Finding out that someone you love and care about has cancer is stressful for anyone. But I was just wondering if finding out his wife has cancer triggered something in his serial killer brain. He was probably more stressed out that he had to pay tons of money for the healthcare, instead of being able to spend it on his “habits”. I’m with everyone else who said they feel like he probably was not a very good or caring family man.

I hope I explained myself a little better.

 

[SonsOfCain]

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

The 10 necklaces from Long Island-based company Jimmytoast are part of what the business calls The Heavy Metal Project, and feature thorns and spikes to evoke the dense thicket where the remains were found, colors matching the nail polish the women wore and symbols emulating tattoos cops used to identify their bodies.

“Some of these things are pretty obtusely designed — they’re pretty obnoxious,” said John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the victims, Shannan Gilbert and Jessica Taylor.

“Shannan Gilbert’s is a bunch of thorns,” said Ray. ”That’s outrageous.”

Scantily clad models showcased the jewelry on the company’s website, which touted the baubles as “hauntingly beautiful.”

It even had a child model a necklace dedicated to the unidentified toddler whose remains were found in 1997.

A necklace dedicated to Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old who went missing in 2000, featured onyx details similar to a ring that was retrieved from her body and includes stones found on Long Island.

Jewelry designer Jamie Quilisadio came up with the idea for the project and partnered with the true-crime podcast “The First Degree” in May to launch a necklace along with the episodes on each victim.

“We just want to keep their spirits alive,” she insisted. “I definitely never meant for it to seem rude or dark or anything like that.”

The necklaces were priced between $60-$120 and have since sold out.

The proceeds, $5,346, are scheduled to go to the Sex Workers Outreach Project, according to Quilisadio, who sent receipts of the purchases to The Post.

“I wanted to use my artwork in a way that I could help bring awareness, and use the necklaces as a conversation piece while also protecting sex workers,” she added.

Exclusive | Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

Yeesh. It’s a nice gesture to want to give funds to help sex workers and escorts, but I feel like this is definitely…not the way to go about it. They couldn’t have thought of a more tasteful and appropriate way to keep the victim’s names alive? This just feels…icky to me. Just my own opinion.

 

[SonsOfCain]

A couple of weeks ago Larry Kobalinski from John Jay College said that humans shed approximately 135 hairs per day, not including brushing or combing, or shower/baths. But according to LE the hairs don't contain DNA from AE, only that the hairs are similar to her. But maybe now that they swabbed AE for DNA that can make a connection to the hairs found on the victims.

I can totally back this up. So can my girlfriend. She hates when I’m in the car because she’ll find random stray hairs of mine for days afterwards

 

[iamshadow21]

A couple of weeks ago Larry Kobalinski from John Jay College said that humans shed approximately 135 hairs per day, not including brushing or combing, or shower/baths. But according to LE the hairs don't contain DNA from AE, only that the hairs are similar to her. But maybe now that they swabbed AE for DNA that can make a connection to the hairs found on the victims.

That is not true. The mitochondrial DNA from the hairs matches AE's haplogroup. (Page 26 of the PCA.)

It's not a precise match like nuclear DNA is, to identify an individual person, but it's more precise than blood typing, which we used to exclude or include subjects before we had DNA testing.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

IIRC, when it was first announced that AE was seeking a divorce, the attorney for AE stated that it was a non-contested divorce, or a similar term was used, implying that both parties in the divorce agreed to the divorce.

It was written and posted here a document showed that the status of the divorce was non-contested. It was posted a few pages back from here.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Personally, I can't seem to find a G*M for the murder victims.

It seems to me unfair to blame RH's family for the lack of a fund set up in the murder victims names and, while doing so, claim that the wife is complicit in the murders to the public when LE has clearly stated she was out of country or state when the murders ccured. AND, it's critical to note that the G*M for RH's faily wasn't set up by them OR their attorney; it was set up by the daughter of a serial killer who knew/experinced exactlly what this family now is --- vengeful wrath for the misdeeds of the killer. He is soley responsible for his actions.

If the attorney has evidence/witness' to the contrary he has yet to advise LE of such.

The lawyer of AE stated in his interview that the G*M was set up by AE and the daughter of the other SK. The daughter of that SK noted on the G*M page that she had to wait to get permission from AE before setting it up. So, essentially, the fund is set up with AE's permission is how I interpret that. There is nothing wrong with having a G*M set up if people choose to donate. I just see the discrepancy of support in relation to the families of the murder victims and it makes me sad for everything they have lost in comparison. I also think the family members of past SK's seem to be making the rounds in interviews with this case, helping them to stay relevant, which in turn helps to monetize their social media and followers. MOO.

 

[Barbie619]

That is not true. The mitochondrial DNA from the hairs matches AE's haplogroup. (Page 26 of the PCA.)

It's not a precise match like nuclear DNA is, to identify an individual person, but it's more precise than blood typing, which we used to exclude or include subjects before we had DNA testing.

MOO

I heard this from Harrison's recent presser, I didn't make it up. He didn't commit to it being her's only that it was similar, which probably means what you just said. He probably didn't want to get technical with lab terms. I actually agree with you because it was covered here pretty extensively threads and threads ago. JMO