Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[iamshadow21]

Yeesh. It’s a nice gesture to want to give funds to help sex workers and escorts, but I feel like this is definitely…not the way to go about it. They couldn’t have thought of a more tasteful and appropriate way to keep the victim’s names alive? This just feels…icky to me. Just my own opinion.

The tastefulness/tastelessness of the jewellery aside, the org getting the donations, if it's the same org as in Australia, SWOP are good people. Run by sex workers, for sex workers. It's a legitimate organisation looking out for the safety of sex workers. In the Sydney Mardi Gras, they march every year alongside PWD (People With Disabilities). I worked in the same office as the local folks when I volunteered at our branch of ACON (AIDS Council of NSW) twenty years ago.

MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

LE has stated RH's wife was out of country when the murders occurred. Regardless of what John Ray has to say, unless named a POI/suspect by LE, Websleuths "Victim Friendly" rules stipulate that family of the accused are considered victims.

Do not disparage, insinuate, make direct or indirect accusations against people who are not an officially named POI/suspect.

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This does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media. Members may reasonably discuss what is said in MSM by them or about them, but do not make random accusations, insinuations, suggest their involvement, trash, bash or attack them, or speculate negatively about them.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

LE has stated RH's wife was out of country when the murders occurred. Regardless of what John Ray has to say, unless named a POI/suspect by LE, Websleuths "Victim Friendly" rules stipulate that family of the accused are considered victims.

Do not disparage, insinuate, make direct or indirect accusations against people who are not an officially named POI/suspect.

from: The Rules: Etiquette & Information

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing known victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way, and only when such behavior is known to be relevant to the case.

The "victim friendly" rule extends to family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, or others who have not been officially designated by law enforcement or in mainstream media as a Person of Interest or suspect is not allowed (i.e. Sleuthing out this type of information, and publicly posting their personal information, including names, addresses, and background data -- even if it is public is not allowed and such posts will be removed, along with any posts that encourage such sleuthing).

This does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media. Members may reasonably discuss what is said in MSM by them or about them, but do not make random accusations, insinuations, suggest their involvement, trash, bash or attack them, or speculate negatively about them.

 

[iamshadow21]

I heard this from Harrison's recent presser, I didn't make it up. He didn't commit to it being her's only that it was similar, which probably means what you just said. He probably didn't want to get technical with lab terms. I actually agree with you because it was covered here pretty extensively threads and threads ago. JMO

I just didn't want any confusion, with the controversy in forensic science over visual hair comparison as evidence. (Much of its validity has been discredited.) They have a form of DNA that is consistent with AE, they aren't just looking at it under a microscope and claiming it's a match to her.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

BBM. There seems to be jealousy amongst the lawyers about the fund-raising. I view the wife and children as victims and am glad the neighbors have treated them with such kindness.

JMO

I suspect the attorneys get great billable hours for "representing" their clients at press conferences, interviews, etc. In my opinion, AE and the children need to decide for themselves if such "representation" is in their best interests. Perhaps in other circumstances (numerous young people had NOT been murdered) such display might yield a different outcome. However, in these circumstances, it doesn't appear to me that such tactics are helpful to them. Again, only the lawyers are benefitting.

 

[Ruminations]

He's long enough in the game to know not to pull this kind of a nasty attention seeking stroke.

yet, here we are.

This helps nobody.
Either that or there is very real evidence that LE are not working as they should and I have not seen that at play with the G4s.

Ray would not make himself vulnerable to defamation or being disbarred.

He is only accusing AE of knowing that Rex had sex with sex workers in the basement, not knowing about murdering them.

Sometimes people really don't know what is right in front of their faces, so maybe Ray's witness is wrong even about knowing about sex with sex workers.

But I do not believe that Ray is wrong about the witness. There is too much at stake for him.

MOO

 

[thefragile7393]

Geez, it's one thing to like macabre items but quite another to profit from victims who still have family living and missing them.

the proceeds are going to charity

 

[x_files]

Yes, geoblocked again, but WOW, what a revelation within the quoted sentence!! A witness, who knows it, that the wife wasn't absent all the time!!
We're getting closer to the whole truth ......
As if I felt it. Or still feeling it.

If she was indeed home at the time, as Nancy Grace would say: BOMBSHELL, TONIGHT!

 

[thefragile7393]

Yeesh. It’s a nice gesture to want to give funds to help sex workers and escorts, but I feel like this is definitely…not the way to go about it. They couldn’t have thought of a more tasteful and appropriate way to keep the victim’s names alive? This just feels…icky to me. Just my own opinion.

The jewelry is pretty if a bit overpriced, I like the funds going to them...but yeah it seems very tasteless to be naming pieces for the victims and such. Just...create and such but don't name the pieces for the victims or anything

 

[x_files]

I also think the press conference was in poor taste. Her house got messed up because she is married to a serial killer. That isn’t her fault - but it also isn’t LEs fault.

Plus, IMO she is probably going to get paid out when the divorce finalizes. They owe 80k for three years of unpaid state income tax. Poor people don’t have NY state income tax bills like that. He would need to make 400k a year to owe that much.
IMO they seem to have lived very frugally so where is that money?
She will also get some portion of the proceeds from selling their property in NY and SC.
She needs to take her 40k money, go stay in Iceland with her family, and let her lawyers settle the divorce. Bonus - the healthcare in Iceland is probably cheaper and more accessible. MOO

I agree. She needs to lay low. The press and community aren't going to have much compassion if you are not mentioning the dead women her husband killed. It's not her fault or her family's fault but the attention needs to remain squarely front and center on these women who were brutally murdered.

 

[x_files]

It's incredible to me that they found several hairs of AE on the victims yet only one piece of DNA from him from all 4 of the girls. They found more secondary DNA than primary. What does one have to do to not get DNA on victims ... cover himself from head to toe?

Great question!

 

[CuriousCricket]

The tastefulness/tastelessness of the jewellery aside, the org getting the donations, if it's the same org as in Australia, SWOP are good people. Run by sex workers, for sex workers. It's a legitimate organisation looking out for the safety of sex workers. In the Sydney Mardi Gras, they march every year alongside PWD (People With Disabilities). I worked in the same office as the local folks when I volunteered at our branch of ACON (AIDS Council of NSW) twenty years ago.

MOO

The jewelry is pretty if a bit overpriced, I like the funds going to them...but yeah it seems very tasteless to be naming pieces for the victims and such. Just...create and such but don't name the pieces for the victims or anything

The jewelry isn't as big and heavy as I was expecting. Parts of it are quite nice - the use of hearts, angels, small stones. It makes sense that a jeweler will design jewelry instead of a dress or car as a memorial. Donating the proceeds to SWs charity is quite nice. I'm not sure the spikes for the bushes are attractive. OTOH, I'm old and youngsters today love things I don't . . so perhaps it is very attractive to certain segments of younger women.

 

[x_files]

The jewelry is pretty if a bit overpriced, I like the funds going to them...but yeah it seems very tasteless to be naming pieces for the victims and such. Just...create and such but don't name the pieces for the victims or anything

If the families agreed to it, I think it would be fine especially to help other sex workers.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The DNA evidence against Heuerman, who has pleaded not guilty and professed his innocence in meetings with his lawyers, amounts to “a prosecutor’s dream,” said former Suffolk County prosecutor Steven Wilutis.

“It could have been somebody else picked up the hair someplace else, but on three different bodies?” Wilutis said. “I’d just put that DNA in and I’d rest [the case.]”

Fred Klein, the former chief of the major offense bureau for the Nassau County District Attorney’s office and a visiting professor of law at Hofstra University, said he likes circumstantial evidence like DNA and cellphone records because it “doesn’t lie” or “make mistakes.”
office.

Prosecutors have also said they linked Heuermann to the remains of Waterman and Costello through his wife, Asa Ellerup, who “cannot be excluded” as the owner of the female hairs found on one of the bodies. Prosecutors have said they don’t believe she had any knowledge of Heuermann’s alleged crimes and her hairs, according to the bail letter, were likely transferred from Heuermann’s clothing.

“You've got his hair and his wife's hair with the bodies where they were disposed, but how did it get there? When did it get there?” said Klein, who referred to DNA as after-the-fact evidence. “It's very strong evidence connecting him and his wife to the bodies, but it's not a slam dunk, because there's always questions about how it got there.”

The legal experts and former law enforcement officials interviewed for this story also cautioned that nobody outside of the probe currently knows the full breadth of the evidence gathered by the Gilgo Beach Homicide Task Force.

“You could have the pope and three nuns as witnesses and they still want more,” said Giacalone, the author of “The Cold Case Handbook,” published in May.

Gilgo Beach killings: Prosecutors to rely on DNA, cellphone records and other evidence to make their case against suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann, experts say

The DNA, coupled with phone records connecting Rex A. Heuermann to the women and the similarities in the way the bodies were disposed of, is the type of evidence expected to be central to their case, law enforcement and legal experts told Newsday.

www.newsday.com

 

[Barbie619]

Ray would not make himself vulnerable to defamation or being disbarred.

He is only accusing AE of knowing that Rex had sex with sex workers in the basement, not knowing about murdering them.

Sometimes people really don't know what is right in front of their faces, so maybe Ray's witness is wrong even about knowing about sex with sex workers.

But I do not believe that Ray is wrong about the witness. There is too much at stake for him.

MOO

I'd like to think a lawyer is being honest when it comes to such a serious matter. But after 10 years of JR in the media flaunting himself like a peacock, he's on my last nerve with his show off antics.
What he really needs to do with his 'witness' is bring them to police and then let that person tell their story. He should never put something out that he can't prove without revealing that person and letting them tell the story to prove what they witnessed. JR should stay out of the GB4 victims case because as of right now, SG's death is not included in those murders.

 

[waldojabba]

Regarding John Ray's accusations of AE's involvement in RH's activities.

A lot of people are disgusted with John Ray for that. Bearing in mind John Ray has been pretty accurate in his opinions all along, I just ask one question of the wives out their on this forum.

If you were in AE's situation would you also be totally unaware of everything RH was doing?

First IMO let me say I find Johnny Ray to be a "snake oil salesman". He craves the limelight and is overly confrontational and unneccasarily bombastic.

Second IMO unless something like this happens to us in a relationship ( male or female) how do we know whether we would have known? We all like to think we would know. Some of us are "certain" we would know. But many of us have been cheated on and had no inkling until we are told. Maybe you are in a marriage and believe there is no cheating but there is - you just don't know about it yet.

Lots of couples have separate interests, do things individually with others and take individual trips. Some go fishing/ hunting/ golfing/bowling etc with the the "boys" or have tennis night etc - same for the women and their groups -tennis or otherwise.

Do I think my significant other is killing people on tennis night? Not hardly. Is it possible? I guess. I don't follow them or check up on them.

Bottom line - we never really know what goes on in anyone's relationshiop - sometimes not even in our own. IMO

ALL IMO

 

[Sundog]

I think that AE's attorney, Robert Macedonio, had good intentions when he held the press conference but that he definitely failed to achieve a positive outcome for his client. I think he had several goals -

1. He wanted to clarify that the funds being raised were not going to the attorneys in this case, but to AE and her children. And to clarify that AE and her children are in dire financial need, and not financially comfortable as some on social media have been speculating. He also may have been trying to counter those on social media who have been saying that AE is not "deserving" of any help, since she is married to a suspected serial killer.

2. He wanted to get ahead of the news about the attorneys' next step to file a notice of claim in relation to possible future lawsuit(s). Since the deadline to file a notice of claim is coming up, once they filed it the media would be all over this story. I think the attorneys wanted to get ahead of this pending news story, but probably just a written statement would have been better as they sure didn't handle this well.

I don't have the same sense of the attorney for the adult children, Vess Mitev, and I wonder if his representation may be a disservice to them and by association, of course, to AE. If he has offered to represent the children pro bono, then it may have been diffiicult for them to decline.

All JMO.

 

[Sundog]

I agree. She needs to lay low. The press and community aren't going to have much compassion if you are not mentioning the dead women her husband killed. It's not her fault or her family's fault but the attention needs to remain squarely front and center on these women who were brutally murdered.

I agree that AE and family need to be careful about the focus on them and the condition of the house, but I suspect their attorney has advised them not to speak publicly about the victims and the case against her husband.

They have been thrust into the spotlight through no fault of their own, and can't be expected to know how to deal with the situation, especially so quickly.

 

[Dotta]

I think that AE's attorney, Robert Macedonio, had good intentions when he held the press conference but that he definitely failed to achieve a positive outcome for his client. I think he had several goals -

1. He wanted to clarify that the funds being raised were not going to the attorneys in this case, but to AE and her children. And to clarify that AE and her children are in dire financial need, and not financially comfortable as some on social media have been speculating. He also may have been trying to counter those on social media who have been saying that AE is not "deserving" of any help, since she is married to a suspected serial killer.

2. He wanted to get ahead of the news about the attorneys' next step to file a notice of claim in relation to possible future lawsuit(s). Since the deadline to file a notice of claim is coming up, once they filed it the media would be all over this story. I think the attorneys wanted to get ahead of this pending news story, but probably just a written statement would have been better as they sure didn't handle this well.

I don't have the same sense of the attorney for the adult children, Vess Mitev, and I wonder if his representation may be a disservice to them and by association, of course, to AE. If he has offered to represent the children pro bono, then it may have been diffiicult for them to decline.

All JMO.

Talking about money in the context of serial killing of women is tasteless - to put it mildly IMO

As for good intentions,

Don't they say that
"hell is paved" with them?

JMO

 

[Sundog]

Talking about money in the context of serial killing of women is tasteless - to put it mildly IMO

As for good intentions,

Don't they say that
"hell is paved" with them?

JMO

I agree, it was definitely not presented in a way that was helpful to his client. I hope AE doesn't suffer further because of it.