Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Deleted member 117884]

Talking about money in the context of serial killing of women is tasteless - to put it mildly IMO

As for good intentions,

Don't they say that
"hell is paved" with them?

JMO

Not hell itself, but the road to it.

jmo

 

[Dotta]

Not hell itself, but the road to it.

jmo

I translated from my own native language
And where I live "hell itself" is paved with good intentions

Im not sure about the road though.

 

[margarita25]

JR made his rounds tonight on NewsNation, was on Cuomo and Banfield (Brian E. hosted), I think he needs to shut up or he will find himself being sued by AE. He accused her of being on SNAP, how does he know that? I am in the same situation she is with a disabled adult child who I am the representative for and have a SNAP card in my name too to help her buy groceries. Here he is on Cuomo, can't find Banfield interview yet but watched it on my DVR.

AE and family lawyers on Cuomo

Found Banfield interview

YIKES.

Don’t even know where to start with that one.

That’s one hell of an accusation, and strong wording, to call her “complicit”.

Let’s say RH did have sex workers in his home, downstairs while his wife was upstairs. It still doesn’t mean she is complicit in murders. They could have had an arrangement or whatever you want to call it. Then to refer to the hairs on the bodies, we know how those hairs can transfer, if you share a household with someone.

What a crazy thing to do, go out in the open and accuse her of having involvement. He better have some darn proof, he says he does, but I think that’s something for investigators to determine and divulge, not him. Of course I/we can’t say what she knew and what she didn’t know.

As an attorney he should know what the word “slander” means.

Nasty, messy situation. Again, I/we don’t know what she knew and what she didn’t know, but going out and publicly accusing her? That is HUGE. If it turns out his accusations are false, then he needs to be disbarred.

 

[Glimma0927]

Shannan Gilbert is not RH victim, right? So the car is most likely a coincident.

And RH's Avalanche can't possibly be the only Avalanche on Long Island, where about 8 million people live.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

I translated from my own native language
And where I live "hell itself" is paved with good intentions

Im not sure about the road though.

 

[margarita25]

And RH's Avalanche can't possibly be the only Avalanche on Long Island, where about 8 million people live.

Yeah, but....

Idk I’m always the one here to say that while many say, including LE, that “there’s no such thing as coincidences,” I have seen some craaaazy coincidences (could give many examples), so I DO think crazy coincidences exist, and I keep that in mind.

But this seems possibly different imo.

Maybe it is a coincidence. Or maybe it’s not. Still fishy.

Would like to find the exact map coordinates of that. Putting it on the list.

 

[waldojabba]

Talking about money in the context of serial killing of women is tasteless - to put it mildly IMO

As for good intentions,

Don't they say that
"hell is paved" with them?

JMO

Aren't both camps talking about $$$. Johnny Ray says why are these people being compensated $$$ when the murdered girls families were not compensated $$$( I believe JR did file a civil suit for $$$ against Peter Hackett the doctor living in Oak Beach back in the day for Jessica Taylor who is not one of the "3"). The murdered girls families are quoted as saying the same thing - we got no help $$$ why are people helping them $$$. I think Johnny Ray is trying to take the heat off himself - as in why was he not more helpful getting $$$- so he is spinning and trying to redirect towards Asa and also instill doubts about her to try and preserve or maybe even legally freeze some money $$$ for the murdered girl's families.

IMO Right now this whole immediate circus IS about $$$.

Plain and simple, Asa'a lawyer's job is maintain her legal rights. Okay fine do that. Any smart person imo in her position would have the same paperwork filed if they were advised to do so. She has not decided to sue LE btw as people are saying across the internet. The paperwork filed just maintains her right to do so should she chose to. And there is a window of time she has to do this in. End of story. Same with the kids lawyer just do your job.

As for Johnny Ray - he is a chaos maker - so he's gonna do what he's gonna do. But don't kid yourself, he is all about the $$$. The rest is just BS.

JUST IMO

 

[Ruminations]

I'd like to think a lawyer is being honest when it comes to such a serious matter. But after 10 years of JR in the media flaunting himself like a peacock, he's on my last nerve with his show off antics.
What he really needs to do with his 'witness' is bring them to police and then let that person tell their story. He should never put something out that he can't prove without revealing that person and letting them tell the story to prove what they witnessed. JR should stay out of the GB4 victims case because as of right now, SG's death is not included in those murders.

I see his fashion choices as perhaps flaunting himself like a peacock.

But when has he offered information that has not proven helpful? I'm talking substance, not style.

MOO

 

[margarita25]

On the other hand, as EA has a lawyer right now, I wouldn't think John Ray would make such a statement if it put him at risk of defaming her.

I have a feeling that EA is innocent. But I don't have evidence either way.

In spite of that feeling, I do trust John Ray has good reason to say what he said. Making something like that up could put him in civil court danger. If the Daily News thinks he made it up, same goes for them.

MOO

My guess is his witness he claims has knowledge of wife being “complicit“ is a sex worker who went to the house, and claims wife was upstairs. That’s what it sounds like to me from what he’s saying.

But note, on Cuomo, he says she was upstairs while he was downstairs. So this still doesn’t mean she actively participated in anything. Having knowledge of? Well the witness wasn’t killed obviously, so how does she know...

JR was on WS YouTube a while back. I’m sure he would accept an invitation to come back, considering he seems to like the limelight.

But would we want to support the continuation of these claims? I wouldn’t think it’s a good idea. But I sure would like to grill him. I would ask him, “you realize you’re possibly slandering...” BLA BLA. More coffee needed. Whatever the case the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

We don’t know what the future holds as far as additional information coming out. Yesterday in the PC, iirc, Bob the attorney said the family would speak with investigators at a later time.

Which again, I still don’t get why they haven’t been interviewed yet. I’ve never heard of such a thing, and commented on that earlier as far as her having potentially useful information for investigators.

Have you guys ever heard of a murder suspect’s family not being interviewed? I kept thinking maybe this was inaccurate reporting, but this was even confirmed in the PC yesterday. Makes no sense to me, jmo.

 

[kaen]

Talking about money in the context of serial killing of women is tasteless - to put it mildly IMO

As for good intentions,

Don't they say that
"hell is paved" with them?

JMO

I agree. I do think that the family has to say something as the fund raising was hanging out there. The lawyer doing it makes it so he is the one who gets the ire. It would have been smart to play their statements out in a focus/strategic crisis manager forum before they came before the public. I don't think they represented the family well. This families pain is real--their whole lives have been spent under the guise of a crime and based on lies. Not nearly as catastrophic as a murder but it is devastating.

 

[flay012995]

Let’s say RH did have sex workers in his home, downstairs while his wife was upstairs. It still doesn’t mean she is complicit in murders. They could have had an arrangement or whatever you want to call it. Then to refer to the hairs on the bodies, we know how those hairs can transfer, if you share a household with someone.

It's strange that her hair is found on the bodies and yet their children had none considering they live in the same house. If the hairs can transfer, then the children's hairs should be detected as well, not just AE.

 

[Ruminations]

First IMO let me say I find Johnny Ray to be a "snake oil salesman". He craves the limelight and is overly confrontational and unneccasarily bombastic.

Second IMO unless something like this happens to us in a relationship ( male or female) how do we know whether we would have known? We all like to think we would know. Some of us are "certain" we would know. But many of us have been cheated on and had no inkling until we are told. Maybe you are in a marriage and believe there is no cheating but there is - you just don't know about it yet.

Lots of couples have separate interests, do things individually with others and take individual trips. Some go fishing/ hunting/ golfing/bowling etc with the the "boys" or have tennis night etc - same for the women and their groups -tennis or otherwise.

Do I think my significant other is killing people on tennis night? Not hardly. Is it possible? I guess. I don't follow them or check up on them.

Bottom line - we never really know what goes on in anyone's relationshiop - sometimes not even in our own. IMO

ALL IMO

I agree with you that we don't know who knew or knows what.

That even applies to Ray's witness. Maybe Ray's witness is mistaken about how AE has processed some observations.

But even so, it is credible that Ray has a witness who believes AE knows about sex with SW while she is home.

That witness must have seen something to make this assertion. But the witness could not have crawled in AE's head.

MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I agree that AE and family need to be careful about the focus on them and the condition of the house, but I suspect their attorney has advised them not to speak publicly about the victims and the case against her husband.

They have been thrust into the spotlight through no fault of their own, and can't be expected to know how to deal with the situation, especially so quickly.

AE, seems to me has led a very private life, like many with a sick or disabled child. When families have a child that’s different, often that family finds themselves isolated because they don’t “fit in”. Ok to say hi on the street, but don’t get invited to the bbq.
From experience, I understand that often, mom sacrifices nearly everything to support, nurture and advocate for her child in the hopes they can live independently as an adult. Then, she finds the caregiving is her lifelong unpaid career and the worries continue - how will my adult child survive when I’m gone.
Also she might have wanted to leave a relationship but financially maybe she cannot because she can’t afford GOOD care for her adult child and go back to work. This man is not her child’s bio dad and wouldn’t likely pay support.
Her needs are small, food, shelter, medical care. All she wanted was her house in livable condition - beds, a sink where water goes down the drain and not into the floor. I think she is saying, in a small voice, I don’t want anything. Just what I had before which wasn’t much.

AE not knowing who to trust - maybe wanting to accept help to clear her house and realising that people might help and then sell RH souvenirs - RH water bill, RH Xmas ornament, RH socks …. Really, any trash would need to be burned or shredded to prevent tabloids and ghouls from relishing the misery of his discards.

I see her more as a mum of a young man who needs her and she wants a return to their routine and feelings of safety and privacy. She is getting support from her lawyer / advocate and he just telling her status: she has cancer and is worried about paying (normal emotion), an overwhelmingly unlivable home which needs fixing and that the salacious news isn’t true. It was just her doll, end of story. Just her ordinary facts.
I hope the tabloids leave her alone.

 

[Ruminations]

It's strange that her hair is found on the bodies and yet their children had none considering they live in the same house. If the hairs can transfer, then the children's hairs should be detected as well, not just AE.

Also, while AE has longer hair, Heuermann's is not that short...nor does he seem like his hair was freshly cut on any pics I see.

It seems like he saw Amber in person at least once before murder, yet may have murdered Megan the first time he saw her in person. My impression is he usually develops some kind of relationship with his victims. I can't see his wearing a hair net.

Maybe he didn't see a reason to clean away hairs that were not his.

MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

No, and my opinions on Shannan Gilbert's death have changed since that time. But I do think it's possible that Heuermann may have frequented Ocean Pkwy many times thru the years.

In hindsight this was a golden find. Given all we know now, it's probably reasonable to assume this probably would have been ignored if it was submitted back then. But today could be completely different with this new task force. I was just thinking if they were able to authentic it (date it) it could be admissible. They might be able to track down the original image enhance it. Would be interesting. Just a thought.

MOO

 

[Pinkizzy]

Gilgo Beach murders suspect 'had a FEMALE accomplice' claims attorney

John Ray, an attorney who represents two of the 11 victims, said on Monday that the chief suspect in the murder of all 11 likely had a female accomplice. Rex Heuermann has been charged with three.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 117884]

dbm

 

[Jurisprudence]

Yes, with several mobile dumpsters and even several workers. I read it yesterday, but where did I?

Same. He said it on one of his MANY media tours. Can't even remember which one there have been so many.

jmo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Garden City criminal defense attorney Barry Levin, who has defended accused mob bosses and other high-profile defendants, called the case the biggest "since the Lindbergh kidnapping."

“Without a defense investigation he doesn’t stand a chance, because I think the people of Suffolk would convict a pumpkin because of the notoriety of the case and the horrendous nature of the murders,” said Peter Smith, a Northport-based criminal defense lawyer who is also a former prosecutor and police office

Defense lawyers say they'd hire teams of investigators, a medical examiner, even a forensic anthropologist to help rebut the government's findings. Some would conduct a deeper review of the medical examiner's recent shift in the official cause of death of the victims from "homicidal asphyxia," or strangulation, to the broader category of "homicidal violence."

"The hair evidence is not conclusive to him being the killer because it doesn't establish time, date or place," La Pinta said. "We don't know when those hairs were placed on the burlap."

Prosecutors have said they don’t believe Heuermann’s wife or children knew of his alleged crimes. But, noted La Pinta, “I suspect if you examine that burlap carefully, there’s other microscopic evidence trace evidence there" that is not linked to Heuermann.

Gilgo Beach killings: Defense lawyers offer ways to challenge evidence in case against Rex Heuermann

The case is expected to be expensive and legally complex, experts say, with a thorough defense investigation needed to test and rebut the prosecution's evidence.

www.newsday.com

 

[Deleted member 117884]

"The hair evidence is not conclusive to him being the killer because it doesn't establish time, date or place," La Pinta said. "We don't know when those hairs were placed on the burlap."

Snipped.

I think the jury will be able to count to three. The same person's hair on three bodies is very strong evidence. imo

jmo