Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Just K]

Reasons to stop or do less dismembering:
He got the perfect type vehicle to transport intact bodies.
He had more money and resources- thus more private places to take his victims.
He had the use of burner phones.
He could arrange all of his meetups via chat rooms, internet sites like Craig’s List, Utopia Guide and Long Island Er()tica.

And the most practical reason: Dismembering is messy.

 

[dotr]

RW's date at the restaurant with the escort reminds me of this film, it makes me wonder if he had seen it.

Basically a guy wants to experience all that his g,f, went through when she went missing and learn of her final fate, he meets the killer who promises to faithfully recreate those events, which leads to the same horrifying end for him too.

Well i could picture RH getting the escort all wide-eyed and intrigued about the 'Gilgo Killer'' regaling her with tales of 'insider' info., and if he successfully takes her ''home'' - his 'pièces de résistance' is the moment he takes off the Clark Kent glasses and suit and they realize exactly who he is and what will likely happen next.
complete speculation, imo, fwiw.

The Vanishing (1988 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

''The Vanishing (Dutch: Spoorloos, literally: "Traceless" or "Without a Trace") is a 1988 Dutch thriller film directed by George Sluizer, adapted from the novella The Golden Egg (1984) by Tim Krabbé. It stars Gene Bervoets as a man who searches obsessively for his girlfriend following her disappearance at a rest area.''

''Three years after Saskia's disappearance, Rex is still searching for her. He has received several postcards inviting him to meet the kidnapper at a cafe in Nîmes, but the kidnapper never comes. Unknown to Rex, the cafe is directly opposite Raymond's apartment, where he watches Rex wait.''

''Rex makes a public appeal on television, saying he only wants to know the truth about what happened to Saskia. Raymond confronts Rex and admits to the kidnapping; he says he will reveal what happened to her if Rex comes with him.''

Former Escort and Stylist Says She Dined with Accused Gilgo Beach Serial Killer in 2015

A former escort says she had dinner with accused killer Rex Heuermann, and she says she knew he was the serial killer.

www.tmz.com

"TMZ Investigates: Gilgo Beach Serial Murders: Missed Warning Signs," and she describes in great detail how she spent an evening with Heuermann at a Long Island restaurant, 45 miles from where the bodies were buried.'''

''She says during their dinner in 2015, he asked if she was a fan of true crime, which she was. He then asked if she was familiar with the Gilgo Beach murders, and she said of course she was.''
Then things turned ... according to Nikki, Heuermann was not so much talking about the murders as he was bragging about them. She was so creeped out, she called a friend to pick her up.

When dinner was over, Heuermann asked her to come home with him, and she declined. Nikki says he got angry and she left.''

 

[Forest_Wood]

RW's date at the restaurant with the escort reminds me of this film, it makes me wonder if he had seen it.

Basically a guy wants to experience all that his g,f, went through when she went missing and learn of her final fate, he meets the killer who promises to faithfully recreate those events, which leads to the same horrifying end for him too.

Well i could picture RH getting the escort all wide-eyed and intrigued about the 'Gilgo Killer'' regaling her with tales of so-called insider info., and if he successfully takes her ''home'' - his 'pièces de résistance' is the moment he takes off the Clark Kent glasses and suit and they realize exactly who he is and what will likely happen next.
complete speculation, imo, fwiw.

The Vanishing (1988 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

''The Vanishing (Dutch: Spoorloos, literally: "Traceless" or "Without a Trace") is a 1988 Dutch thriller film directed by George Sluizer, adapted from the novella The Golden Egg (1984) by Tim Krabbé. It stars Gene Bervoets as a man who searches obsessively for his girlfriend following her disappearance at a rest area.''

''Three years after Saskia's disappearance, Rex is still searching for her. He has received several postcards inviting him to meet the kidnapper at a cafe in Nîmes, but the kidnapper never comes. Unknown to Rex, the cafe is directly opposite Raymond's apartment, where he watches Rex wait.''

''Rex makes a public appeal on television, saying he only wants to know the truth about what happened to Saskia. Raymond confronts Rex and admits to the kidnapping; he says he will reveal what happened to her if Rex comes with him.''

Former Escort and Stylist Says She Dined with Accused Gilgo Beach Serial Killer in 2015

A former escort says she had dinner with accused killer Rex Heuermann, and she says she knew he was the serial killer.

www.tmz.com

"TMZ Investigates: Gilgo Beach Serial Murders: Missed Warning Signs," and she describes in great detail how she spent an evening with Heuermann at a Long Island restaurant, 45 miles from where the bodies were buried.'''

''She says during their dinner in 2015, he asked if she was a fan of true crime, which she was. He then asked if she was familiar with the Gilgo Beach murders, and she said of course she was.''
Then things turned ... according to Nikki, Heuermann was not so much talking about the murders as he was bragging about them. She was so creeped out, she called a friend to pick her up.

When dinner was over, Heuermann asked her to come home with him, and she declined. Nikki says he got angry and she left.''

I do believe her story, at least in part. Just trying to understand how it works with escorts. Are they contacted online, have a conversation with a man, go to meet him in a public place, and then continue the "date" elsewhere, for money? She goes there to meet him, then decides he's too creepy, so declines his invitation to go back to his place. She considers going back to his home in her own car, then implies she would never get into a stranger's car. That part doesn't make sense to me because wouldn't it be just as unsafe to be alone with him in his home? I guess he thought since he bought her dinner, he deserved the full course meal, and he got agitated when she wouldn't go all the way. Another thing that strikes me about this guy is that with all his "dating", when is he ever at home with his family. Not much of a family man as some media has implied. IMO.

Edited to remove irrelevant sentence.

 

[Friday13]

I do believe her story, at least in part. Just trying to understand how it works with escorts. Are they contacted online, have a conversation with a man, go to meet him in a public place, and then continue the "date" elsewhere, for money? She goes there to meet him, then decides he's too creepy, so declines his invitation to go back to his place. She considers going back to his home in her own car, then implies she would never get into a stranger's car. That part doesn't make sense to me because wouldn't it be just as unsafe to be alone with him in his home? I guess he thought since he bought her dinner, he deserved the full course meal, and he got agitated when she wouldn't go all the way. Another thing that strikes me about this guy is that with all his "dating", when is he ever at home with his family. Not much of a family man as some media has implied. IMO.

She seemed a lot more coherent and spoke with more clarity than an interview I watched her do with Nancy Grace. I do believe her story and I’m not trying to discredit her but she doesn’t seem 100% in a clear state of mind in some of her interviews. MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

She seemed a lot more coherent and spoke with more clarity than an interview I watched her do with Nancy Grace. I do believe her story and I’m not trying to discredit her but she doesn’t seem 100% in a clear state of mind in some of her interviews. MOO

I wonder if she gets paid for these interviews? She's certainly making the rounds.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Just trying to understand how it works with escorts. Are they contacted online, have a conversation with a man, go to meet him in a public place, and then continue the "date" elsewhere, for money? She goes there to meet him, then decides he's too creepy, so declines his invitation to go back to his place. She considers going back to his home in her own car, then implies she would never get into a stranger's car. That part doesn't make sense to me because wouldn't it be just as unsafe to be alone with him in his home?

me too. I thought it was a business transaction. However, the dinner and chitchat . . so does that move it from strictly prostitution to "escort"? And the not riding with him, not making sense because it would obviously be more dangerous alone in his home with him. Well, I think that was her tap-dancing, trying to get away from him without making him too angry. Not only was she not going to ride in his car, she wasn't going home with him. In fact, she was getting away as quietly as she could.

 

[Forest_Wood]

me too. I thought it was a business transaction. However, the dinner and chitchat . . so does that move it from strictly prostitution to "escort"? And the not riding with him, not making sense because it would obviously be more dangerous alone in his home with him. Well, I think that was her tap-dancing, trying to get away from him without making him too angry. Not only was she not going to ride in his car, she wasn't going home with him. In fact, she was getting away as quietly as she could.

And then she said she called a friend, but not sure if she asked the friend to pick her up or just called the friend.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Well, I was wondering if the 2nd visitor came in with his attorney. It does not sound like it.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

After 26 years, Fire Island Jane Doe is Identified

Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI Team with Othram to Identify a 1996 Gilgo Beach Murder Victim

dnasolves.com

Same lab that they're fighting over in Idaho. Idaho has a state contract with this lab but the FBI took it over from the lab and defense is making all kinds of motions because they made/retained no notes.

moo

Othram - A Revolution in Cold Case Resolution

Othram is revolutionizing how forensic cases are solved, justice is served, and families are mended.

othram.com

 

[LadyL]

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote. “Once, at a job site, he spotted a client approaching and, speaking to my boss over the phone, said, ‘Target in sight.’”

Idk, if one has to use a code word, when a bear is in sight while hunting. But if RH mistook his hunt for people with his usual bear hunt, so it sounds like an accomplice could have been with him at other times (Gilgo Beach or other locations). Nobody speaks with themselves. The mention "target in sight" needs someone, who is listening to it.

he was talking to someone on the phone

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I don't find the comment "target in sight" particularly odd or damning when talking about a client. Wouldn't be my word choices, but meh.

 

[Just K]

It’s been awfully quiet, on the side of LE and the prosecution, since the searches of RH’s property concluded.

 

[fidgeypie]

It’s been awfully quiet, on the side of LE and the prosecution, since the searches of RH’s property concluded.

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

I'm thinking the "mess" was his camouflage. Remember someone wrote about seeing his truck with trash up to the dashboard? Then he bought an Avalanche which has a factory cover. The problem with a normal "camper cover" for pick-up trucks (if you were traveling with something you didn't want LE to see) were the windows, where many people hung curtains or otherwise covered. The mess could have been a conscious distraction - a way to make the proverbial "haystack" much, much larger and more difficult to locate a single needle. So, LE probably found so much that attempting to sort it is mind-boggling. They still might not know whether they have anything or not. Since we suspect he's been busy for years, there's probably more than one single needle -- and then how do you even determine what MAY be relevant and what isn't, especially if he's dragged in bits from out-of-state?

 

[Sjöberg]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

My gut feeling is that it is more likely to have been the nothing at all option, at least for the house.
Meaning, they might be still searching for the location he took his victims. This can take time.

 

[NicMed329]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

I feel like they have so much evidence to sort through, as well as dna taking several weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t hear anything for some time. I do hope we the IDs of Peaches, her child, and Asian Doe soon. JMO

 

[Just K]

My gut feeling is that it is more likely to have been the nothing at all option, at least for the house.
Meaning, they might be still searching for the location he took his victims. This can take time.

I’m still very curious about the medical examiner’s vehicle being at one of the storage units.

 

[dotr]

Noting in case this missing woman was not previously mentioned here as a possible victim, cross-posted link.
Aug 19 2023

CRIME HUNTER: Was Canadian woman victim of Gilgo Beach serial killer?

When cops nabbed suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuremann it set off alarm bells in cold case units around the U.S.

torontosun.com

'Canadian woman Jessie Foster, a victim of sex trafficking, vanished in 2006 and is believed to have been murdered. Cops are now looking at alleged Long Island serial killer Rex Heuremann. FAMILY PHOTO'

'When cops nabbed suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuremann, it set off alarm bells in cold case units around the U.S.
'What the detectives are hoping for — and it is often beyond hope — are similarities between their murders and the big fish that has just been reeled in.
Heuremann, a 59-year-old New York architect, has been arrested and charged with first-degree murder in a series of slayings of sex workers on Long Island whose remains were found in a killing field near Gilgo Beach.''
Her mother said the 21-year-old Kamloops, B.C., woman disappeared after a harrowing ordeal of being sex trafficked in New York and New Jersey, then finally, Las Vegas. She had been arrested several times for prostitution in the desert boomtown.

“We know that Jessie had been beaten, that Jessie was being forced into it,” Grant said.

The arrest of Heuremann has now given Grant new hope with cops in three states hunting for anything that might tie the alleged Long Island killer to their cold cases.'

Ws thread.

NV - NV - Jessica Foster, 21, North Las Vegas, 29 March 2006

Still looking for Jessie Foster | Las Vegas Tribune Jessie Foster age progressed - 35 years old Jessie is a beautiful, blonde Canadian girl who came to Las Vegas to celebrate her 21st birthday, she disappeared from where she was living in North Las Vegas at 1009 Cornerstone Place, with an...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Ruminations]

Yes it has, jmo but I'm wondering if they either found a lot or nothing at all

I suspect they found a tremendous amount that might be very important, or not at all important.

it takes a long time to determine which.

there must be thousands of pieces of evidence that Rex was at such-n-such location at such-n-such time via reciepts and spending records, that tediously have to be added to some time line data base and compared with crimes.

there must be hundreds of stains suspected to be blood that have to be compared to his family members, which takes time. Then compared with known victims if any is not family. Those leads get more tedious if blood that is not family or known victims is found. That co7ld be extremely important or rather mundane if, hypothetically, someone like the collegue who spoke to the press about having to measure around the vault door room, happened to cut herself and leave blood, that can be another long trail.

The above also applies to other forensic evidence; there must be so many hairs that have to be determined family or not.

they will want everythin*they can find that exculpates or eliminates others Rex might try to blame the murders on. What if the murders occurred in his home, and Rex claims he left the victims after the "date," and told the victims to go home. And that Rex didn't know what happened. LE has to be prepared to debunk "other guy" attempts to create reasonable doubt.

I am sure LE found a tremendous amount of evidence. Receipts to support CAST analysis of cell phone location in case Rex disputes it, for instance. But the evidence is probably mostly tedious, IMO.

If they found anything super dramatic, like a belonging of a victim, it's more likely to have been secreted out of the house.

I think LE presumptively believed there was something big in the bathroom. From the limited views of photos we saw, no floor was treated like the bathroom floor.

AFAIK, no door was was removed except the bathroom door.

I'm not sure what to make of the media report that a new friend and advocate of Asa's apparently reported not only that the door was removed, but that it was customized for a family member that will not be living there again, IMO.

wouldn't the trauma of the bathroom door being missing and needing a curtain be the relevant part? Who cares about who needed a modification of the door previously? why mention it?

MOO

 

[dotr]

I suspect they found a tremendous amount that might be very important, or not at all important.

it takes a long time to determine which.

there must be thousands of pieces of evidence that Rex was at such-n-such location at such-n-such time via reciepts and spending records, that tediously have to be added to some time line data base and compared with crimes.

there must be hundreds of stains suspected to be blood that have to be compared to his family members, which takes time. Then compared with known victims if any is not family. Those leads get more tedious if blood that is not family or known victims is found. That co7ld be extremely important or rather mundane if, hypothetically, someone like the collegue who spoke to the press about having to measure around the vault door room, happened to cut herself and leave blood, that can be another long trail.

The above also applies to other forensic evidence; there must be so many hairs that have to be determined family or not.

they will want everythin*they can find that exculpates or eliminates others Rex might try to blame the murders on. What if the murders occurred in his home, and Rex claims he left the victims after the "date," and told the victims to go home. And that Rex didn't know what happened. LE has to be prepared to debunk "other guy" attempts to create reasonable doubt.

I am sure LE found a tremendous amount of evidence. Receipts to support CAST analysis of cell phone location in case Rex disputes it, for instance. But the evidence is probably mostly tedious, IMO.

If they found anything super dramatic, like a belonging of a victim, it's more likely to have been secreted out of the house.

I think LE presumptively believed there was something big in the bathroom. From the limited views of photos we saw, no floor was treated like the bathroom floor.

AFAIK, no door was was removed except the bathroom door.

I'm not sure what to make of the media report that a new friend and advocate of Asa's apparently reported not only that the door was removed, but that it was customized for a family member that will not be living there again, IMO.

wouldn't the trauma of the bathroom door being missing and needing a curtain be the relevant part? Who cares about who needed a modification of the door previously? why mention it?

MOO

The door apparently had to be enlarged to accommodate RH's height.
Hey, what could possibly make for a sexier tinder date profile, than a very large, pot-bellied middle-aged man posing in his family bathroom?
speculation, imi.

Exclusive | Cops ripped up Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s bathroom, removed part of tub and tiled floor: estranged wife

Chunks of alleged Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann’s bathroom were ripped out as part of cops’ nearly two-week search of his Long Island home, his estranged wife revealed Monday.

nypost.com

THE alleged Long Island Serial Killer used a fake name on Tinder and bathroom selfies to lure women before he was finally arrested this week, court documents have revealed.

''Heuermann allegedly made several Google Pay transactions for a Tinder account in January 2011, according to American Express records that were obtained from a subpoena.

The account owner used the name "Andy," with Andrew Roberts also showing up associated with the Tinder profile.

Andrew is Heuermann's middle name, according to court docs.

The email address used for the Tinder profile was under the name "John Springfield" and had a zip code from Astoria, Queens in New York City.

A search warrant was obtained to investigate the email address, which turned up several selfies that appeared to have been taken by Heuermann.

The photos were allegedly sent to people in the hopes of soliciting and arranging hookups, which investigators believe links Heuermann to the "John Springfield" email address and Tinder profile.''