Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[CuriousCricket]

Well, it certainly doesn't help imo.

Even 13 years later Burke has the uncanny ability to still mess up this case. MOO

Accidentally, incidentally or intentionally?

 

[Bree1950]

"The Sumter County Sheriff’s Office says as of now, there is no direct evidence linking Heuermann to the case, but the office has contacted the FBI for help."

South Carolina sheriff’s office mulls possible link between Rex Heuermann, 2017 missing person's case

The Sumter County Sheriff’s Office says as of now, there is no direct evidence linking Heuermann to the case, but the office has contacted the FBI for help.

longisland.news12.com

I take this to mean they have no evidence, but has DNA testing been completed on his Avalanche? They are asking for the FBI’s assistance for a reason and I’m thinking they need assistance with testing.

 

[Ruminations]

Oh and the re-appearing "Avalanche tip" They'll probably try to make a lot of hay out of this. These people (Burke, Spota, and McPartland) certainly didn't make things easy for their successors.

jmo

And it is possible the defense will say the tip came from an unreliable source and that's why it wasn't followed.

Again, irrelevant because the tip only gave a poi and the poi movements and phone activities are the evidence.

But it will come up. Amber's friends better see some of that reward money- it's not much but it is a symbol. They keep their eyes on justice for Amber and they often mention the other victims as well. And they get rewarded by having their less proud moments out on display and have other disparaging stories invented about them.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

..aye..
almost as though they continue to wield power or knows who does.

I've thought that there appears to be continuing support for Burke and Spota on LI. I was glad, though, to discover that the court appointed attorney for Heuermann - Michael J Brown - while he apparently is a former law partner of Mrs. Heuermann's attorney and while HER attorney was an assistant DA for Spota, that Michael Brown's time as an assistant DA was under the man who served before Spota.
" From 1992-1995, Brown served as a prosecutor with the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office."Gilgo Beach killer suspect Rex Heuermann tells his court-appointed lawyer 'I didn't do this'


(District Attorney of Suffolk County, New York, serving from 2002 to late 2017, per wikipedia. "Thomas Spota - Wikipedia" or 16 years Former Suffolk County DA Thomas Spota Found Guilty Of Cover-Up

According to the dates I saw, Brown left the DA's office several years before Spota was elected. Frankly, I do feel better about that as I was feeling that the Heuermann representation was a slap in the face to the families of the young women killed.

 

[Vpq]

Maybe the difference in NY and SC real estates prices made him see lots as an investment.

Yes but he owed so much money, right?

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yes but he owed so much money, right?

But, it was the government he owed and he knew how to work the system. He was still spending money how he wanted to - as I see things.

Now, at the back of his mind was vacant, private land a wonderful thing for his hobby? I think we all suspect the two are related.

But cheap land? For a New York architect? yep, he could at least pass it off as "investment".

 

[Sundog]

Why would someone have 4 vacant lots?

Many people buy lots with plans to build on them when they retire. Very common.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Accidentally, incidentally or intentionally?

Maybe it's best for Tierney's team not to answer this (putting aside what we all may think the answer is), and instead take the position that it doesn't matter; that it is irrelevant how it disappeared and came to reappear (despite any defense claim that it does matter). If it was intentionally hidden it may serve to make the evidence appear more credible. If it was accidentally hidden it may arguably make it appear less credible, more suspect. They probably can't prove either (just a guess). So why get into that if you can instead take the route that a defense claim is an attempt to distract; that whatever the reason, the only real question is whether the evidence is credible and legitimate. And, the reason why it was only found later does not serve to turn actual evidence into manufactured evidence, especially if they have corroboration from the witness himself who gave the statement. Just a thought.

All jmo

 

[CuriousCricket]

Maybe it's best for Tierney's team not to answer this (putting aside what we all may think the answer is), and instead take the position that it doesn't matter; that it is irrelevant how it disappeared and came to reappear (despite any defense claim that it does matter). If it was intentionally hidden it may serve to make the evidence appear more credible. If it was accidentally hidden it may arguably make it appear less credible, more suspect. They probably can't prove either (just a guess). So why get into that if you can instead take the route that a defense claim is an attempt to distract; that whatever the reason, the only real question is whether the evidence is credible and legitimate. And, the reason why it was only found later does not serve to turn actual evidence into manufactured evidence, especially if they have corroboration from the witness himself who gave the statement. Just a thought.

All jmo

I agree. I think the current team has done a great job of staying focused, not allowing themselves to be pulled into never-ending discussions of past administrations (what could they change or improve on?), or going back and attempting to change certain calls, which may need to be changed in the future if EVIDENCE shows up, and simply moving forward, focusing on the group of four they accepted as their mission. Once the Gilgo4 is successfully concluded, they can catch their breath and decide on the next mission based upon what they've learned from this one.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree. I think the current team has done a great job of staying focused, not allowing themselves to be pulled into never-ending discussions of past administrations (what could they change or improve on?), or going back and attempting to change certain calls, which may need to be changed in the future if EVIDENCE shows up, and simply moving forward, focusing on the group of four they accepted as their mission. Once the Gilgo4 is successfully concluded, they can catch their breath and decide on the next mission based upon what they've learned from this one.

whereas it's nice for them to have new experiences and the training and all, it's not about them, ultimately or their comfort zones.

there's a long line of murdered bodies stretching out quite a way and they have been inadequately investigated because the victims are considered persona non grata.

Therein lies the problem and sweeping this gigantic mound into a corner and pretending to give it due attention is a helluva gaslight.
No.

 

[CuriousCricket]

whereas it's nice for them to have new experiences and the training and all, it's not about them, ultimately or their comfort zones.

there's a long line of murdered bodies stretching out quite a way and they have been inadequately investigated because the victims are considered persona non grata.

Therein lies the problem and sweeping this gigantic mound into a corner and pretending to give it due attention is a helluva gaslight.
No.

Different perspectives. I see this as a huge ball of twine or knotted cord that has become more difficult with passing time. It is tied and tangled, seemingly impossible to get straight. I understand starting with one thread, following it, struggling and untying a knot then following the thread/cord further, focusing on what is nearest . Sometimes, I also go to the other end and follow another cord inward untangling there where I can. It's tedious and time-consuming. But eventually, all the work pays off.

 

[kittythehare]

Different perspectives. I see this as a huge ball of twine or knotted cord that has become more difficult with passing time. It is tied and tangled, seemingly impossible to get straight. I understand starting with one thread, following it, struggling and untying a knot then following the thread/cord further, focusing on what is nearest . Sometimes, I also go to the other end and follow another cord inward untangling there where I can. It's tedious and time-consuming. But eventually, all the work pays off.

It pays off for some.
This was not hard.
4 victims in same or very similar burlap, all in a straight little line, neatly laid out.

They only had to find one track.
They already had his description and vehicle make and model number.
Just , like sitting there!

This is what they are paid to do.
All victims are equal.
Whether they're dead an hour or 50 years.

Shannan's killer is still out there. Probably carries part of her body as a keepsake.
Case closed.
No new evidence brought that about.
Just slammed it closed.

All I can hope for is that someone somewhere is digging and digging deep and has the resources to do so.

I believe she still has secrets to share.
I'm just not sure what the questions are.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Different perspectives. I see this as a huge ball of twine or knotted cord that has become more difficult with passing time. It is tied and tangled, seemingly impossible to get straight. I understand starting with one thread, following it, struggling and untying a knot then following the thread/cord further, focusing on what is nearest . Sometimes, I also go to the other end and follow another cord inward untangling there where I can. It's tedious and time-consuming. But eventually, all the work pays off.

I don't see this difficult at all actually. I agree with Kitty. They told us in the Bail filing what they have. It seems pretty straightforward.

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

Just a guess (and opinion). Vacant land in Chester County is cheap and real estate is always a solid investment - especially since there are no carry costs with vacant land except property taxes which are typically very low. If there's even a chance you can flip it to a developer down the line, or even build it out yourself and flip it, it's a good move. Personally, I think he should have invested in his LI home. IMO the dirt that house sits on is more valuable than the structure that sits atop it. It's a tear down. He would have received a higher return on the NY property than the vacant land had he expanded it and kept it up or did a gut reno or rebuild.

jmo

I think he wants a survivalist style compound, judging from the weapon collection and military vehicle.

But this Is also a guess/opinion.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

But, it was the government he owed and he knew how to work the system. He was still spending money how he wanted to - as I see things.

Now, at the back of his mind was vacant, private land a wonderful thing for his hobby? I think we all suspect the two are related.

But cheap land? For a New York architect? yep, he could at least pass it off as "investment".

I remember from quite a while back that these properties were an investment for his retirement to build on.

 

[sds71]

Rex Heuermann and police chief who botched probe 'met gay cruising'

Lawyer John Ray (inset) said several sources have told him key suspect Heuermann (right) was known on the 'gay cruising' scene and this could link him to James Burke (left).

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Betty P]

Rex Heuermann and police chief who botched probe 'met gay cruising'

Lawyer John Ray (inset) said several sources have told him key suspect Heuermann (right) was known on the 'gay cruising' scene and this could link him to James Burke (left).

www.dailymail.co.uk

If these reports to Ray are accurate, it would be shocking. It would also explain some things.

 

[CuriousCricket]

If these reports to Ray are accurate, it would be shocking. It would also explain some things.

And open up thousands of questions. . . . I'm going to venture not "shocking" but something I've been suspecting and expecting. It would be difficult to imagine a more explosive discovery.

 

[kittythehare]

And open up thousands of questions. . . . I'm going to venture not "shocking" but something I've been suspecting and expecting. It would be difficult to imagine a more explosive discovery.

Next question.
When did their 'friendship' actually begin?

 

[Momoffourboys]

FBI joins investigation of missing South Carolina mom over possible Rex Heuermann ties

Sumter County Sheriff Mark Bordeaux told NBC’s The Today Show on Monday he has asked the bureau for assistance in the case of Julia Ann Bean – who went missing in June 2017.

nypost.com