Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 4 murders, July 2023 #10

[Just K]

It certainly appears as if R Harrison made the right decision to leave Suffolk County employment. There are so many competing interests and many big fish in that small pond- who appear to be adamant about protecting their piece of the pie. It’s actually absurd that instead of focusing on the real corruption in that county and region, they choose to try and mar the reputation of a man who finally got the ball rolling on a suspiciously dead investigation into a huge case. Instead, they decided it was more important to go after Harrison for a rather trivial yet common and already corrected administrative action.

Too many people in SC, NY seem hellbent on tanking a full investigation into who benefits from no further investigation into others who might have known about Rex H or the activities associated with a dozen or more dead sex workers and people experiencing difficulties. Chances are very good that this case involves more than simply Long Island and New York State. It seems highly likely that nationally known figures might be a part of this tangled web of evil.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Am I the only one shocked to hear that at the level of Police Commissioner, Harrison was even fooling with timesheets? Was he required to clock in? Does this sound completely off to you? Naturally, I know nothing of how a police force works.

I get the sense that he became sick during vacation (Covid perhaps?) and retroactively changed his timesheet accordingly, after the fact. I was on sick leave for a broken bone during a time when my vacation was booked months in advance. My employer still considered me on vacation even though I was on sick leave. As a result, I lost a week of vacation when on sick leave. So I'm thinking what happened here is similar to that. And they're making a big deal about it as if it's something nefarious when it's likely a simple process otherwise if there wasn't a political reason for them making a big deal over nothing. MOO.

 

[Justice101]

Even at the highest level, whenever there are grants or government oversight, timesheets are used to show how many hours you spent on a particular case, or grant, etc.

timesheets at that level are not for pay usually, but for accounting purposes. JMO

 

[Ruminations]

Even at the highest level, whenever there are grants or government oversight, timesheets are used to show how many hours you spent on a particular case, or grant, etc.

timesheets at that level are not for pay usually, but for accounting purposes. JMO

True that timesheets are often for accounting, not pay.

But at the commissioner level? Not sure about that. At that level he'd be overseeing people who secure grants and make sure they are administered properly. The commissioner is likely not on a grant himself/herself.

MOO

 

[snarast]

Yes, lets see now - what's worse - filling in a time sheet incorrectly or ignoring the voices of witnesses due to their position on the social ladder?

Yeah, I'll have to ponder that for a bit.

 

[NyxNY]

True that timesheets are often for accounting, not pay.

But at the commissioner level? Not sure about that. At that level he'd be overseeing people who secure grants and make sure they are administered properly. The commissioner is likely not on a grant himself/herself.

MOO

It would also have an impact on his "time owed" at retirement

 

[Ruminations]

Yes, lets see now - what's worse - filling in a time sheet incorrectly or ignoring the voices of witnesses due to their position on the social ladder?

Yeah, I'll have to ponder that for a bit.

Love this post.

You're generous. It's one thing to ignore people because you have contempt for them....and a whole other thing to abuse and exploit societal contempt to cover up corruption.

There's yet another thing to ponder.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

I get the sense that he became sick during vacation (Covid perhaps?) and retroactively changed his timesheet accordingly, after the fact. I was on sick leave for a broken bone during a time when my vacation was booked months in advance. My employer still considered me on vacation even though I was on sick leave. As a result, I lost a week of vacation when on sick leave. So I'm thinking what happened here is similar to that. And they're making a big deal about it as if it's something nefarious when it's likely a simple process otherwise if there wasn't a political reason for them making a big deal over nothing. MOO.

Have seen similar happen to honest politicians in my area, too. Once saw a highly qualified candidate for high office get excoriated in the news media for months because he drove on his valid driver's license from another state while moving to our state.

These guys in Suffolk Co, NY know how to harass elected officials over nothing, but can't spend any time going after a serial killer in their jurisdiction.

Suffolk County DA Investigating Claims Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison Falsified Timesheets

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney is investigating allegations that Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison — who is set to resign this month — changed vacation days to sick days on previously filed timesheets.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Can’t help but wonder with all the apparent diversions and reluctance or even refusal to investigate certain things - maybe someone already knows what is ‘behind door number 1’? And hence, one doesn’t really want to look. It sure makes one wonder. MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Can’t help but wonder with all the apparent diversions and reluctance or even refusal to investigate certain things - maybe someone already knows what is ‘behind door number 1’? And hence, one doesn’t really want to look. It sure makes one wonder. MOO

Currently, or even in this past year, who is refusing to investigate "certain things" and what are those things and how does anyone know that those things aren't being investigated, especially since ongoing investigations aren't going to be made public?

 

[Ruminations]

Currently, or even in this past year, who is refusing to investigate "certain things" and what are those things and how does anyone know that those things aren't being investigated, especially since ongoing investigations aren't going to be made public?

One example is Tierney giving a gaslighting response about the witnesses that approached John Ray.

Tierney feigned interest in the evidence, saying that he thought it was appropriate for such information to go through crime stoppers.

Yet, as Tierney had to be aware, some witnesses had and the information was not followed up upon. The witnesses would know whether or not they were contacted by LE to check their credibility, the first step in following up on the leads.

And, the witnesses were not lying about the lack of follow up. They couldn't, because Ray and Harrison would not have presented the information if the witnesses lied about their experiences, including with LE.

That is a very recent example of hostility towards investigation.

MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

One example is Tierney giving a gaslighting response about the witnesses that approached John Ray.

Tierney feigned interest in the evidence, saying that he thought it was appropriate for such information to go through crime stoppers.

Yet, as Tierney had to be aware, some witnesses had and the information was not followed up upon. The witnesses would know whether or not they were contacted by LE to check their credibility, the first step in following up on the leads.

And, the witnesses were not lying about the lack of follow up. They couldn't, because Ray and Harrison would not have presented the information if the witnesses lied about their experiences, including with LE.

That is a very recent example of hostility towards investigation.

MOO

Edit to add: My question was "who is currently refusing to investigate"?

Tierney took office Jan 2022 as the District Attorney and supervises an enormous staff of prosecutors. His job is overseeing prosecutions, he does not do homicide investigations or follow up on tips, from Crimestoppers or elsewhere. He doesn't dictate what follow-up the homicide detectives do or don't do. He is not in their chain of command.
Last month, Tierney said the DA's office would be interviewing Rays' witnesses. They have already been interviewed by detectives and Harrison. We don't even know what the results were. I would say adding 2 additional detectives to look at tips is a substantial commitment.
So again, at this time, who is not doing their job regarding Rays' witnesses or anything else to do with these homicides?

From the link article, dated Nov 2023:

"District Attorney Ray Tierney’s office immediately responded with a statement saying it had been blindsided by the announcement of new information in a case he was prosecuting after years of investigative dysfunction."
"Mr. Tierney’s office will nevertheless speak with Mr. Ray’s witnesses, who have already been interviewed by Suffolk detectives and by Mr. Harrison himself, who said he has added two more detectives to field Mr. Ray’s leads and other tips."

Gadfly Lawyer for Gilgo Beach Families Courts Cameras and Tipsters (Published 2023)

John Ray held news conferences championing the victims for years as law enforcement dragged its feet. Now, he’s a magnet for information.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ruminations]

Edit to add: My question was "who is currently refusing to investigate"?

Tierney took office Jan 2022 as the District Attorney and supervises an enormous staff of prosecutors. His job is overseeing prosecutions, he does not do homicide investigations or follow up on tips, from Crimestoppers or elsewhere. He doesn't dictate what follow-up the homicide detectives do or don't do. He is not in their chain of command.
Last month, Tierney said the DA's office would be interviewing Rays' witnesses. They have already been interviewed by detectives and Harrison. We don't even know what the results were. I would say adding 2 additional detectives to look at tips is a substantial commitment.
So again, at this time, who is not doing their job regarding Rays' witnesses or anything else to do with these homicides?

From the link article, dated Nov 2023:

"District Attorney Ray Tierney’s office immediately responded with a statement saying it had been blindsided by the announcement of new information in a case he was prosecuting after years of investigative dysfunction."
"Mr. Tierney’s office will nevertheless speak with Mr. Ray’s witnesses, who have already been interviewed by Suffolk detectives and by Mr. Harrison himself, who said he has added two more detectives to field Mr. Ray’s leads and other tips."

Gadfly Lawyer for Gilgo Beach Families Courts Cameras and Tipsters (Published 2023)

John Ray held news conferences championing the victims for years as law enforcement dragged its feet. Now, he’s a magnet for information.

www.nytimes.com

Yes. I understood your direct question and answered it directly.

Tierney has expressed outright hostility to important new evidence; his delivery method was gaslighting.

What you have posted above does not indicate that I misunderstood your question. It only shows why his behavior was so deeply disappointing after those statements. He made a promise and broke it.

It is impossible to believe Tierney was blindsided in any way by this information. He knew it, knew of the tipsters who approached LE first with no response, knew everything that John Ray and Harrison told him or his staff directly. To lie and say he was blindsided confirms that he took no actions on that information in the past, IMO.

Commissioner Harrison seemed extremely uncomfortable delivering this information by press conference, but he politely as possible said that approaching LE and having the tips taken seriously was not an option for these witnesses. It's both sad and creative that the heroic commissioner took that action to patch a broken LE investigation. I'm sure he wished as much as anyone that these leads would be taken every bit as seriously by LE if he did not have that conference. By having the conference and not doing the more comfortable thing, Harrison showed us that the more comfortable thing could not be done. Obviousl, Harrison concluded it was not possible to just taking the info from the witnesses and incorporate it into the task force investigation quietly.

At the risk of being too didactic, that one announced one would not do a thing does not make it true that someone has not done said thing. Only not doing the thing makes that true. Then to claim without credibility you were blindsided adds deception.

Tierney could undo the damage at any time. He could announce that he welcomes tips. He could say that he is addressing issues that made these particular tips come through John Ray, which is because of SCPD problems. John Ray was just there willing to fill the gap left by LE.

What is not helpful is Tierney's gaslighting announcement that he is not trying the case in public. No one is asking him to do that, To express thanks and respect for tips, to promise the tip line will take the public seriously, and mention that the investigation continues is saying nothing about the case in public. He Is being deceptive by claiming he is not trying the case in public, as If respectfully taking tips is the same thing as trying the case in public.

MOO


Edited to add: The blather about the prosecutor not overseeing the the investigation is not exactly untrue, but it is again, disceptive. Tierney claimed to be blindsided, as if he should be in the know. If he has no stake/information in the investigative part of LE, why is he chiming in hostility to the witnesses and information? Why is he saying the information should come through LE? Why is he commenting on additional detetectives finally assigned? He can't have it both ways.

(incidentally, his initial reaction to Harrison and Ray was released impossibly quickly, virtually during the Ray/Harrison presser, further showing how unbelievable it is that he was blindsided. It appeared he was well aware of what was going to happen, and timed his gaslighting go to LE comments to share the breaking news wave.)

MOO

 

[WyomingSkyAngel]

It's very common for serial rapists and murderers to "hide" in the BDSM community. A friend of mine was part of that lifestyle and her husband was doing way more than he would tell her- she only found out after he got arrested in a sting operation.
Rex may have had accomplices, who will plead out.

 

[Betty P]

It's very common for serial rapists and murderers to "hide" in the BDSM community. A friend of mine was part of that lifestyle and her husband was doing way more than he would tell her- she only found out after he got arrested in a sting operation.
Rex may have had accomplices, who will plead out.

That's very interesting. I had wondered if it was possible that people like Rex H could be part of these groups without being detected. It's rather frightening to contemplate. I wonder how common it is for people like Rex to "hide in plain sight" in these groups. Did he eventually turn some folks off or make them suspicious?

I wonder if there are other members or former members of local BDSM groups who recognize Rex H, but aren't coming forward? Though we don't know, its also possible some former members might want the investigation to end where it is.

 

[Betty P]

Yes. I understood your direct question and answered it directly.

Tierney has expressed outright hostility to important new evidence; his delivery method was gaslighting.

What you have posted above does not indicate that I misunderstood your question. It only shows why his behavior was so deeply disappointing after those statements. He made a promise and broke it.

It is impossible to believe Tierney was blindsided in any way by this information. He knew it, knew of the tipsters who approached LE first with no response, knew everything that John Ray and Harrison told him or his staff directly. To lie and say he was blindsided confirms that he took no actions on that information in the past, IMO.

Commissioner Harrison seemed extremely uncomfortable delivering this information by press conference, but he politely as possible said that approaching LE and having the tips taken seriously was not an option for these witnesses. It's both sad and creative that the heroic commissioner took that action to patch a broken LE investigation. I'm sure he wished as much as anyone that these leads would be taken every bit as seriously by LE if he did not have that conference. By having the conference and not doing the more comfortable thing, Harrison showed us that the more comfortable thing could not be done. Obviousl, Harrison concluded it was not possible to just taking the info from the witnesses and incorporate it into the task force investigation quietly.

At the risk of being too didactic, that one announced one would not do a thing does not make it true that someone has not done said thing. Only not doing the thing makes that true. Then to claim without credibility you were blindsided adds deception.

Tierney could undo the damage at any time. He could announce that he welcomes tips. He could say that he is addressing issues that made these particular tips come through John Ray, which is because of SCPD problems. John Ray was just there willing to fill the gap left by LE.

What is not helpful is Tierney's gaslighting announcement that he is not trying the case in public. No one is asking him to do that, To express thanks and respect for tips, to promise the tip line will take the public seriously, and mention that the investigation continues is saying nothing about the case in public. He Is being deceptive by claiming he is not trying the case in public, as If respectfully taking tips is the same thing as trying the case in public.

MOO


Edited to add: The blather about the prosecutor not overseeing the the investigation is not exactly untrue, but it is again, disceptive. Tierney claimed to be blindsided, as if he should be in the know. If he has no stake/information in the investigative part of LE, why is he chiming in hostility to the witnesses and information? Why is he saying the information should come through LE? Why is he commenting on additional detetectives finally assigned? He can't have it both ways.

(incidentally, his initial reaction to Harrison and Ray was released impossibly quickly, virtually during the Ray/Harrison presser, further showing how unbelievable it is that he was blindsided. It appeared he was well aware of what was going to happen, and timed his gaslighting go to LE comments to share the breaking news wave.)

MOO

Isn't Tierney also a member of the LISK Task Force? Isn't part of their role to oversee/manage the investigation?
Is the Task Force still meeting?

 

[WyomingSkyAngel]

That's very interesting. I had wondered if it was possible that people like Rex H could be part of these groups without being detected. It's rather frightening to contemplate. I wonder how common it is for people like Rex to "hide in plain sight" in these groups. Did he eventually turn some folks off or make them suspicious?

I wonder if there are other members or former members of local BDSM groups who recognize Rex H, but aren't coming forward? Though we don't know, its also possible some former members might want the investigation to end where it is.

Oddly enough, violent psychopaths aren't tolerated in that scene as they can become unpredictable.

My opinion is, if any of Rex's accomplices work in law enforcement, they'll cut a deal to avoid a scandal.

People hate hearing this but before science was a part of law enforcement procedure, rapist law enforcement officers were so common no one was surprised when that would happen.

 

[Ruminations]

Isn't Tierney also a member of the LISK Task Force? Isn't part of their role to oversee/manage the investigation?
Is the Task Force still meeting?

He does have a stake in the investigations- by detectives and by his own prosecution team. One thing an effective task force member would depend upon is that the public can safely give tips.

Tierney has been deflecting from handling well documented issues with crime stoppers. Maybe they are not in his chain of command. But as a member of the task force, pretending there are no issues (They should go to LE/im not trying this in public) is the same as saying he has no problem letting the dysfunction continue.

It's sad, and Tierney could change it up if he wanted.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Oddly enough, violent psychopaths aren't tolerated in that scene as they can become unpredictable.

My opinion is, if any of Rex's accomplices work in law enforcement, they'll cut a deal to avoid a scandal.

People hate hearing this but before science was a part of law enforcement procedure, rapist law enforcement officers were so common no one was surprised when that would happen.

Can we assume that some violent psychopaths might temporarily adapt their behavior to fit in with these groups? They probably know how to behave in a way that's acceptable to the group.

Did Rex join these groups to meet some need or was his membership a step along the way to becoming a killer? I hope we find out more because this connection, JMO, seems important in understanding these people and perhaps preventing future deaths.

 

[Betty P]

He does have a stake in the investigations- by detectives and by his own prosecution team. One thing an effective task force member would depend upon is that the public can safely give tips.

Tierney has been deflecting from handling well documented issues with crime stoppers. Maybe they are not in his chain of command. But as a member of the task force, pretending there are no issues (They should go to LE/im not trying this in public) is the same as saying he has no problem letting the dysfunction continue.

It's sad, and Tierney could change it up if he wanted.

MOO

Yes, the Suffolk DA's office is a part of the Task Force

Cops Launch Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force

Suffolk County police have launched a new Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force — a team that will pool investigators, authorities announced.

www.longislandpress.com

“One of the first things I did after coming into office in January was meet with the families of the victims to let them know that solving this case is a top priority,” Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond A. Tierney said. “It has been more than a decade and these families deserve answers and reassurances that we will not let up until we find those responsible for the murders of their loved ones. Our partnership in this task force shows our commitment to getting these heinous crimes solved. The families deserve it.”

I hope they're not planning to disband the task force anytime soon. Their work is urgently needed. There are still many unsolved murders. As the Task Force has learned, at least one of those killers was still out there in the community, engaging with sex workers and apparently stalking new victims.