Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[FromGermany1]

There are so many spelling errors on the document that I think it likely this is yet another and RH meant to write “misleaders,” in which case I’m inclined to think he means leaving something with a body that points to someone other than him OR that might lead to a profile which differs substantially from his.

bbm
A different profile would be a wanted misleader: "obviously" being a single man, living with his elderly parents - plus whatever would be suitable: non-educated, no job, socially challenged, no car, no money, and so on. MOO

 

[willy wagtail]

This lady missing and mentions leads

 

[sunspun]

This lady missing and mentions leads

Maybe he is talking about LEADS like that missing poster mentions, tips that LE gets from the public that they then have to follow up on and investigate. But maybe he's making a sort of play on words, by calling them MISS-LEADERS, either meaning mislead-ers and/or leads about people who were reported missing... If he means mislead-ers, maybe HE was calling in misleading tips on his victims if they were reported missing, hoping to confuse/divert/obstruct the investigation.

Hm. Possibly possible is all I can say for that interpretation! Especially because... would he categorize something like that as a PROBLEM? Sounds more like a TOOL almost in a way.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Under his list of Problems

Photos and Miss-Leaders are the only 2 on the list that he has a "?" after.

Had he been misled by a SW which caused him problems?
How could he be misled by a SW?

Why is it listed under "photos"?

87 Chilling Details: Alleged Gilgo Beach Serial Killer's Checklist Revealed

A hard drive recovered from Heuermann's basement hosted a Microsoft Word document which seemed to be his "planning document."

www.newsweek.com

Isn't "Miss-Leaders" simply listed between "Photos?" and "Police Stop" Also, despite his bad spelling, I wonder if the "Miss" has meaning relating to the young women as in Miss, Mrs. Ms.

My first thought is that his own misleading statements - if stopped or ever questioned - must be well thought out and unable to be proven a lie. A misleading story that is easily disproved or which doesn't make sense to the listener could become a very big problem.

Maybe?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I'm just watching the JR news conference from the beginning. He begins by saying he's been working this case since 2011. That's a long time; maybe even longer than most of the LE and DA staff who started out. He says he's in pursuit of Shannon Gilbert's killers and the full truth of the facts and circumstances of all these murders. He says he represents the Gilbert's family (which may not be for long if the sister's response leads to them rethinking his involvement imo), plus "several victims of RH who survived him, who were attacked or stalked by him". I wonder who these other survivors are. I'd love to hear their stories.
MOO.

IIUC from the 48 Hours episode last evening JR it seems one of the surviving women who had contacted RH is the woman who has been interviewed several times recently. The one that supposedly had dinner with RH, was concerned about statements he made, and refused to accompany him to his residence IIRC. Her name escapes me. But I believe she was most recently cutting hair or a hair stylist? She was on very late in the episode last night. Not sure of others. MOO

 

[Just K]

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #13

rbbm June 6 '24

Long Island serial killings: A timeline of the investigation

What began as a search for one missing woman — Shannan Gilbert — led to multiple bodies and the capture of Rex Heuermann.

www.cbsnews.com

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/15/us/gilgo-beach-murder-case-timeline/index.html

'Police discovered the first set of female remains in bushes along an isolated strip of waterfront property on Gilgo Beach while searching for another missing woman: Shannan Gilbert, a 23-year-old from Jersey City, New Jersey who hadn’t been seen since May 2010.

The remains of Melissa Barthelemy, 24, were the first to be discovered in the case during the search on December 11, 2010, according to Suffolk County officials. Two days later, investigators discovered the remains of three additional victims – Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Amber Costello and Megan Waterman – strewn across a half-mile stretch on Gilgo Beach.

The four women, who were wrapped in camouflaged burlap, worked as escorts who advertised on Craigslist and were last seen between July 2007 and September 2010, officials said.''

It is very important to remember that SCPD did not release the “camouflage” patterned burlap detail until RH’s arrest, in July of 2033. Thirteen years they withheld that vital detail which if known to the public- as well as the make and model of the truck would have given the public a substantially better chance of coming forward with tips! They withheld this information, it seems, on purpose.

 

[Just K]

I would really like to know what RH meant by MISS-LEADERS under the heading PROBLEMS in his notes. All the other items are self-explanatory or can be easily figured out what he meant, but this particular one I can't figure out. I can't even come up w/any possibles yet. I saw someone in an earlier thread thought they knew what it meant, and another poster even agreed w/them, but I didn't see how it could be right, bc of the fact that he had listed this under PROBLEMS. I've forgotten what the other poster thought it meant, but I remember thinking that couldn't be it, because that really didn't fit as a "problem" for RH. So I'd like someone with more creativity than I have to see if they can figure out what he meant by MISS-LEADERS. Could it be a construction/architecture term? Was he ever in Mississippi? Did he mean the word 'mislead', like people who misled him, i.e. liars? Or things he wanted to keep in mind to more easily mislead others? (I think that's more what the other poster guessed he meant.)

Am I correct that he wrote these notes long after he'd killed his 1st victim allegedly? About 10 yrs after even? So he wasn't exactly a rookie at it, but he was obviously still working on improvements. It comes across to me as written after only say, 3 or 4, maybe 5 kills. But seems like there would have been many more in that many years, but maybe he was just slow starting, picking up speed (victims) later.

MISS-LEADERS... something he considered one of the many problems he might encounter, or already had encountered. I'm just drawing blanks. What could he have meant by that???

What if he didn’t misspell that word and he literally meant miss (the) leaders. Leaders of gatherings, leaders of groups with the same general interest like those who ran BDSM clubs or parties and gatherings, leaders of LE or investigations, or even leaders of escort services or pimps- as in avoid being seen by the “leaders.” He is a stalker. He could have followed online and in-person interactions and plans and invites and then lurked just away from the attendees, guests and hosts.

 

[SharD]

It may also be "people who tattletale to cops" ie; undercover cops or snitches.

 

[Forest_Wood]

IIUC from the 48 Hours episode last evening JR it seems one of the surviving women who had contacted RH is the woman who has been interviewed several times recently. The one that supposedly had dinner with RH, was concerned about statements he made, and refused to accompany him to his residence IIRC. Her name escapes me. But I believe she was most recently cutting hair or a hair stylist? She was on very late in the episode last night. Not sure of others. MOO

Yes, her name is Nikki I believe.
He says he represents several survivors. Perhaps another is the taxi driver.
I don't know if he considers the lady who claims she went to RH/AE's home as a victim of RH too.
MOO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm genuinely confused why Nikki Brass would need an attorney.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Isn't "Miss-Leaders" simply listed between "Photos?" and "Police Stop" Also, despite his bad spelling, I wonder if the "Miss" has meaning relating to the young women as in Miss, Mrs. Ms.

My first thought is that his own misleading statements - if stopped or ever questioned - must be well thought out and unable to be proven a lie. A misleading story that is easily disproved or which doesn't make sense to the listener could become a very big problem.

Maybe?

Yes, it could be any of the above you listed or none.

Still, why did he put a "?" mark only after "photos" and "miss-leaders" ?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Dr Gary Brucato, PhD, an expert on the press conference, dedicated everything they're doing to the victims, and he explained what they're trying to do is understand these people in order to help prevent these things from happening in the future.
He makes general comments about SKs, by drilling down and categorizing SK behaviors into circles.
The vast majority (biggest circle) are sexually motivated, who commit SA against others but don't kill.
Within that circle there are a smaller group who are sadistic to their victims but they do not kill them.
Within that circle are an even smaller group who proceed to kill the individuals to get rid of witnesses, or sometimes because the force is too much and someone passes away, and sometimes because it's part of the thrill.
Within that last circle is the rarest of all: a sexually sadistic serial killer who kills after protracted, prolonged torture in every imaginable way.
It is in this tiniest circle that this expert would place RH if he is guilty.
People in this circle are motivated by intellectual boredom and by sadism. People of this type can look at or collect all kinds of things to keep it interesting. They do things to learn what happens to bodies and to see what causes the greatest thrill.
It's estimated that 80% of SKs operate alone. 20% operate with other people, which could be with another person such as a wife, partner or child, or a group of people who are also interested in the same perversions.
It is extremely rare that some of these SKs create sound proof rooms or a torture chamber in ones own home, with instruments to be "used like a kid in a candy-box" for sadism and experimentation repetitively.
He is not aware of any other individual in NY who has used such a place.
Dr Brucato says that there is no clear accusations or proof one way or the other, but certainly there are suggestions that must be taken seriously.
Approximately 1 in 5 of these SKs operate this way with other people.
The average age of onset for these types of people who commit these offences is 26 and they don't tend to stop until they are eliminated or arrested.
He wants us to imagine it would be improbable there are only 6 victims in this case, and wants us to imagine these individuals would have been kept for some time prior to their killing.
He is sure there are loads of people, probably in multiple states, who have encountered this individual, who have escaped this individual, may have been assaulted or engaged in perverse actions, or may have information on homicides that might be alleged in the future.
He wants to encourage people to reach out to groups like the Cold Case Foundation, to LE, or to someone like Mr John Ray, because he suspects this case will be much more complicated and horrifying than it appears to be now.

 

[dotr]

A phone number, code, combination, safe? wild speculation, imo, fwiw
'Miss-Leaders'

6-477 - 532-3377

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[Izzylizzy]

Yes, her name is Nikki I believe.
He says he represents several survivors. Perhaps another is the taxi driver.
I don't know if he considers the lady who claims she went to RH/AE's home as a victim of RH too.
MOO.

IMO:
As far as I know LP the witness appears to be the only one with claims of being in RH's house with her boyfriend and Karen Vergata with the 2/14/96 ish timeline.
If true I would consider her a "willing victim" who survived and didn't know at the time who she had encountered.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I'm genuinely confused why Nikki Brass would need an attorney.

Maybe due to JR being a lawyer and the only publicized go-to one besides LE that is known for wanting/gathering info on RH/LISK?

IIRC: It was the recent Ashley Banfield interview when Nikki said RH had a "white envelope"(money?) and then JR said to Banfield that's the first he heard about the white envelope.
That to me is concerning and could appear that she's making up things as time goes on?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I assumed that " miss-leaders " with a question mark simply meant that he was considering doing things to intentionally throw LE off the trail, but didn't know which specific thing he would "create" in order to do that. For example, if he knew that he was an organized killer, then he might throw in some elements that are characteristic of disorganized killers just to try to throw profilers off. As for the spelling, I have seen many people on the internet struggle with prefixes. I often see people spell " misspell " as " miss-spell ".

 

[Izzylizzy]

I assumed that " miss-leaders " with a question mark simply meant that he was considering doing things to intentionally throw LE off the trail, but didn't know which specific thing he would "create" in order to do that. For example, if he knew that he was an organized killer, then he might throw in some elements that are characteristic of disorganized killers just to try to throw profilers off. As for the spelling, I have seen many people on the internet struggle with prefixes. I often see people spell " misspell " as " miss-spell ".

Thank you.
It actually makes sense in that context.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yeah, it shouldn't be swept under the rug. There's some serious problems with the other members of the family and they probably some kind of help, not just sympathy.

IMO:
When news hits like the arrest of and evidence LE has against the accused RH I think it's very unwise for people who may have been in a similar situations or perceive all families of SKer's as victims to claim they all were innocent oblivious bystanders and they don't wait for the investigations to unfold.
This extends to LE too.
Extending sympathy is certainly warranted but giving an automatic pass on everything else is quite naive.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

As for JR saying that AE's alibi is false...I tend to believe that the SCPD and the FBI have much more sophisticated means of checking out her alibi than simply interviewing a clerk at a hotel. Which leads to another question. How long do hotels keep detailed records on their customers ? 10 years ? 20 years ? 30 ? I find that hard to believe.

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

IMO:
When news hits like the arrest of and evidence LE has against the accused RH I think it's very unwise for people who may have been in a similar situations or perceive all families of SKer's as victims to claim they all were innocent oblivious bystanders and they don't wait for the investigations to unfold.
This extends to LE too.
Extending sympathy is certainly warranted but giving an automatic pass on everything else is quite naive.

I wouldn't call the DA naive. IMO he has more facts than JR regarding the six victims RH has been charged for so far.

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has repeatedly stated that his wife, Asa Ellerup and her children were out of town each time Heuermann allegedly committed the crimes he is accused of. They are not accused of anything related to this case, Tierney said.

Lawyer claims ‘circumstantial’ evidence against Heuermann’s family

Heuermann, an architect, is accused of killing six women whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach.

www.newsnationnow.com