Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

A phone number, code, combination, safe? wild speculation, imo, fwiw
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I love that theory and the anagram one intellectually. I love me a good puzzle.

But I kind of doubt this document is coded since the plan was to create it and delete it.

There could be a personal joke in it, but I don't think the point of any non-literal language would be code.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

IMO:
When news hits like the arrest of and evidence LE has against the accused RH I think it's very unwise for people who may have been in a similar situations or perceive all families of SKer's as victims to claim they all were innocent oblivious bystanders and they don't wait for the investigations to unfold.
This extends to LE too.
Extending sympathy is certainly warranted but giving an automatic pass on everything else is quite naive.

To me it's simple. The perp's family is presumed innocent until credible evidence is presented of their involvement. JR's press conference was not it by any stretch.

 

[dotr]

The Nine Things That Make A Serial Killer

The accused Gilgo Beach murderer fits the chilling profile of a serial killer, according to criminal psychologist Rachel Toles.

www.newsweek.com

Jun 16, 2024
''For Heuermann, his father, Theodore, was a big factor in his serial killer upbringing, Toles said. While his dad died when Heuermann was just 11 years old, the now alleged Gilgo Beach murderer suffered from physical, emotional and potentially sexual abuse at the hands of his father, Toles said.

"He was extremely withdrawn, which is signs of abuse," Toles said.
Toles said almost every sexual sadist serial killer has a link back to sexual abuse in some way. The issue, however, often goes under reported, particularly with boys.''
Rex Heuermann's brother, Craig, also went to jail, Toles said. As a young child, Rex Heuerman got in trouble for shoplifting too.
"When people cross boundaries like this, it is a complete confession that somebody early on crossed boundaries with them over and over," Toles said.'

 

[Ruminations]

To me it's simple. The perp's family is presumed innocent until credible evidence is presented of their involvement. JR's press conference was not it by any stretch.

Of course.

We all know everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

That includes Rex.

The press conference did not allege a crime. It alleged duplicity.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Of course.

We all know everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

That includes Rex.

The press conference did not allege a crime. It alleged duplicity.

MOO

The PC alleged a bunch of things, but proved none.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The PC alleged a bunch of things, but proved none.

I don't think anybody has said it has proved anything.
The PC added another layer of things to consider, including a substantive segment with an expert psychologist and his thoughts about what has occurred. MOO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wouldn't call the DA naive. IMO he has more facts than JR regarding the six victims RH has been charged for so far.

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has repeatedly stated that his wife, Asa Ellerup and her children were out of town each time Heuermann allegedly committed the crimes he is accused of. They are not accused of anything related to this case, Tierney said.

Lawyer claims ‘circumstantial’ evidence against Heuermann’s family

Heuermann, an architect, is accused of killing six women whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach.

www.newsnationnow.com

She was said to be out of town but it's the same AE who still claims that her husband isn't capable of committing these 6 heinous crimes.

Being out of town does not equate to not knowing about many of her husband's evil ways and desires and how he fulfilled them at home and outside the home.

 

[indicolite22]

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T>he consensus about RH is based on the evidence that was officially released about the cases upon his indictments. No such thing about VH. Quite the opposite, there's been an official denial.

The majority of images shown at the PC were not from her account but from accounts she followed. It was not proven that she even viewed said images, since she stopped posting years ago.

 

[indicolite22]

I don't think anybody has said it has proved anything.
The PC added another layer of things to consider, including a substantive segment with an expert psychologist and his thoughts about what has occurred. MOO.

It added a bunch of ill-informed speculation. The psychologist merely stated what was possible in certain cases.

I don't imagine many new witnesses coming forward to JR with sensitive information after his stunt.

 

[indicolite22]

She was said to be out of town but it's the same AE who still claims that her husband isn't capable of committing these 6 heinous crimes.

Being out of town does not equate to not knowing about many of her husband's evil ways and desires and how he fulfilled them at home and outside the home.

The DA found it important to note that the family is not accused of anything. Meanwhile JR has been throwing accusations around left and right. Who to believe? Who has more information?

 

[Forest_Wood]

The DA found it important to note that the family is not accused of anything. Meanwhile JR has been throwing accusations around left and right. Who to believe? Who has more information?

I think we can believe more than one source here. It doesn't need to be either/or. It could be a combination of information from both imo. We may never know until the trial(s).
MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The majority of images shown at the PC were not from her account but from accounts she followed. It was not proven that she even viewed said images, since she stopped posting years ago.

According to the PC, it was stated by the IT expert that some of those images were reblogged by VH, so I'm not sure your statement is accurate imo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

The consensus about RH is based on the evidence that was officially released about the cases upon his indictments. No such thing about VH. Quite the opposite, there's been an official denial.

The majority of images shown at the PC were not from her account but from accounts she followed. It was not proven that she even viewed said images, since she stopped posting years ago.

We're talking about VH's Tumblir account and not RH's indictments so that's a moot point

You just don't happen to follow numerous blogs containing deplorable contents just because.
When VH stopped posting on there is irrelevant.
The environment she grew up in and her art affinity is what could be extremely relevant.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

I assumed that " miss-leaders " with a question mark simply meant that he was considering doing things to intentionally throw LE off the trail, but didn't know which specific thing he would "create" in order to do that. For example, if he knew that he was an organized killer, then he might throw in some elements that are characteristic of disorganized killers just to try to throw profilers off. As for the spelling, I have seen many people on the internet struggle with prefixes. I often see people spell " misspell " as " miss-spell ".

I think the question mark indicated it's a problem that he still needed to figure out how to solve. I think he was still brainstorming that topic.

jmo

 

[indicolite22]

We're talking about VH's Tumblir account and not RH's indictments so that's a moot point

I answered in response to your own statement about RH.

You just don't happen to follow numerous blogs containing deplorable contents just because.
When VH stopped posting on there is irrelevant.
The environment she grew up in and her art affinity is what could be extremely relevant.

Plenty of people who don't have serial killers for parents are interested in the same type of stuff. Not to my taste at all, but it's not illegal. If she stopped posting years ago, she wouldn't necessarily have seen newer posts appearing on her timeline.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think the question mark indicated it's a problem that he still needed to figure out how to solve. I think he was still brainstorming that topic.

jmo

That's exactly how I took it.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

We're talking about VH's Tumblir account and not RH's indictments so that's a moot point

You just don't happen to follow numerous blogs containing deplorable contents just because.
When VH stopped posting on there is irrelevant.
The environment she grew up in and her art affinity is what could be extremely relevant.

Sometimes, it all about networking. My ex boyfriend's daughter is an artist. She gets paid to do artwork for several clients from the furry community. She "likes" every artist who posts on her accounts simply because it draws potential clients to her artwork. I asked her the other day if she actually looked at their artwork. She laughed and said, "Honestly, no. But I wouldn't tell them that."

( Hope no one considers this off topic. I think it's relevant simply because it illustrates how places like Tumbler can be nothing more than networking devices for some artists. )

 

[Kudzu]

Sometimes, it all about networking. My ex boyfriend's daughter is an artist. She gets paid to do artwork for several clients from the furry community. She "likes" every artist who posts on her accounts simply because it draws potential clients to her artwork. I asked her the other day if she actually looked at their artwork. She laughed and said, "Honestly, no. But I wouldn't tell them that."

( Hope no one considers this off topic. I think it's relevant simply because it illustrates how places like Tumbler can be nothing more than networking devices for some artists. )

Your post made me think… It’s very possible that VH knew and liked the people who created the art pieces, maybe from her goth/art circles, and therefore “liked” their art as a way of showing support. We simply don’t know.

 

[GiaG]

A few thoughts I’ve been having about John Ray and the press conference this past week. Is this possibly an effort to make Rex talk? If the family is heavily targeted, especially VH who is Rex and Asa’s only biological child, would that trigger Rex to speak with authorities?

A person might make overly negative comments that seem to be designed to garner a reaction.

Above is an example of reverse psychology. My thought process has been if Rex isn’t talking, the media could possibly be used to “garner a reaction” and create a situation in which Rex demands to speak with authorities. They could use this situation to bargain with him, and give Rex the perception that he has control over the situation by offering to stop the media coverage about VH in exchange Rex would give LE information about victims.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

A few thoughts I’ve been having about John Ray and the press conference this past week. Is this possibly an effort to make Rex talk? If the family is heavily targeted, especially VH who is Rex and Asa’s only biological child, would that trigger Rex to speak with authorities?

A person might make overly negative comments that seem to be designed to garner a reaction.

Above is an example of reverse psychology. My thought process has been if Rex isn’t talking, the media could possibly be used to “garner a reaction” and create a situation in which Rex demands to speak with authorities. They could use this situation to bargain with him, and give Rex the perception that he has control over the situation by offering to stop the media coverage about VH in exchange Rex would give LE information about victims.

I absolutely understand your line of thinking. But I would still find it inexcusable to ruin a young woman's reputation in order to further that goal. We need justice for the victims of RH...we don't need to create more victims of him.

JMO