Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #15

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I dislike Guilliani as much as the next (sensible) person, but suggesting he might somehow be involved in the Gilgo case? C'mon guys. These sex ring stories are just an evolved version of the Satanic panic that we saw in 1980s. These types of killers are almost always lone predators. And there's a very good reason for that. To "join forces" with others, he would have needed to expose himself by opening up about deviant sexual fantasies that most people would find abhorrent and disgusting.
Not involved in the murders of the Gilgo case, but perhaps interested in keeping certain lifestyle facts hidden. Things are looked at very differently today than they were 30-40 years ago.

We know of the corruption inside the legal system in Suffolk County at that time. You have only to google James Burke and Thomas Spota. Add to that Burke's known associations with sex workers, testimony that he and RH attended at least one of the same parties . . . Police chief partied with Gilgo 'serial killer at crack-fueled motel bash'

Many seem to believe that the investigation of this case was hindered by people anxious to keep their own sins hidden.

There has been testimony from one of John Ray's witnesses that RH and wife were swingers, information about a club very near RH's office where "parties" were announced, the internet boards -- After reading so much about the lifestyle and the intertwining of people's lives in that fairly small location on Long Island . . . well, certain conclusions are reached.

We also know of the damage association with Jeffrey Epstein has done to lives and that he appears to have courted and sought out the rich and powerful for his own interests.

Then, there are the Hollywood scandals and the lives destroyed by sexual misconduct.

In the meantime, politicians have always sought contributions from the wealthy in order to be re-elected.

My mind keeps going back to a conversation with a classmate from long ago. He is now a staid and (as far as I know) pillar of the community and Sunday school teacher. He related that our most notorious classmate had come to him seeking a grubstake to grow marijuana in Alaska. Said notorious classmate had been well liked by the "popular" kids; he had married well. BUT, he had gone to prison. I believe for rape. Then escaped and was on the lam when he approached the classmate with whom I was having the conversation.

He looked off into the distance as he related that his group of boys had been wild and -- by today's standards -- even criminal. But even back in the day, as boys, they had recognized that the notorious one was willing to go much further and do things the rest of them would not.

Don't you think it's possible there are people out there with associations with RH, even with Burke and Spota, who may have recognized a willingness to go further, to do things way out of boundaries?

Those associates would not have participated in the most horrible and the murders, but perhaps participated or witnessed things (say "games") that today could harm their lives and reputations. I personally see Guilliani as an old tortoise - he's not likely to be damaged or if he is, he can handle it.

No, I wonder if his appearance might be sort of a reminder of "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" mentality for those people who were associates and who participated in the lifestyle back in the day. "It's been decades. Let's leave it there", would be my guess, IF the associations with RH existed.
 
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Logline: For over a decade, a suspect in the Gilgo Beach killings remained at large until authorities arrested family man Rex Heuermann, who they say lived a double life. Go inside the investigation of the man charged with murdering seven women.

 
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Posts have been removed. "Stephanie" was speculating and now WSers are speculating on her speculation and going into discussion of dominatrix.

The DA does not believe Danielle's death is related to RH (and she supposedly died of kidney failure due to an overdose).

Please don't get into spec on spec. Thank you.
 
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Posts have been removed. "Stephanie" was speculating and now WSers are speculating on her speculation and going into discussion of dominatrix.

The DA does not believe Danielle's death is related to RH (and she supposedly died of kidney failure due to an overdose).

Please don't get into spec on spec. Thank you.
Nobody thinks RH killed this lady.

The question is - why does her phone number repeatedly appear in RH’s notes?

That lead to wild clueless speculation.

It’s still an interesting question, but unless more of RH’s notes are revealed we will likely never know.
 
It's a fact that Goodling's phone number was on RH's planning document. It was made public, and wasn't blurred out. He probably didn't have anything to do with her death, but, that doesn't mean he didn't PLAN to kill her. I think DG was one of many who got away, or dodged a bullet.
RH had HUNDREDS of interactions with SWs between 2020 and 2023. He was STILL at it. Mia (aka Bella) who was mentioned in the bail application may have been another one in his crosshairs. In March of 2020, RH messaged her: "ANDY HERE EMAIL ME AT [email protected] WE CAN TALK BED INFO." She advertises a room that is "equipped with BDSM bed." So I'm guessing that's the bed he was inquiring about. It seems like their schedules weren't meshing and they couldn't make plans within the allotted time while wife wasn’t home. Thank goodness!
I believe some may have sensed he was off/weird/bad news/dangerous and didn't go for a date or continue to see him, just like Nicole Nikki Brass did!
I believe her, and I commend her for being brave enough to tell her story. It's a different world now. I don't think SWers are looked down upon as much anymore. It's 2025. WE LISTEN, AND WE DON’T JUDGE! Especially here on WS. It would be great for more women to come forward if they've had a run-in with this monster.
 

The motion filed Wednesday argues that a "substantial disparity" exists between the evidence in the first indictment — charging Heuermann with first and second-degree murder in the killings of Melissa Barthelemy, Amber Costello and Megan Waterman — and the allegations in three superseding indictments, which could lead to an improper conviction based on "cumulative effect.

""Much of the evidence will involve lengthy testimony, multiple exhibits and be of a technical nature," wrote attorney Sabato Caponi, of Bohemia, a member of the team appointed to represent Heuermann.

"A trial encompassing all 10 counts would unjustifiably create a strong risk that the jury will be unable to segregate the evidence by its separate and distinct relevance to each individual incident."The defense motion states that while there is evidence that "may be common" in each of the counts, prosecutors have to date shared "substantially more evidence" they intend to present in the Barthelemy, Costello and Waterman cases.

Wednesday’s filing is the second defense motion filed in the case, both of which will be discussed with Suffolk Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei at a conference set for Jan. 29.
 

The motion filed Wednesday argues that a "substantial disparity" exists between the evidence in the first indictment — charging Heuermann with first and second-degree murder in the killings of Melissa Barthelemy, Amber Costello and Megan Waterman — and the allegations in three superseding indictments, which could lead to an improper conviction based on "cumulative effect.

""Much of the evidence will involve lengthy testimony, multiple exhibits and be of a technical nature," wrote attorney Sabato Caponi, of Bohemia, a member of the team appointed to represent Heuermann.

"A trial encompassing all 10 counts would unjustifiably create a strong risk that the jury will be unable to segregate the evidence by its separate and distinct relevance to each individual incident."The defense motion states that while there is evidence that "may be common" in each of the counts, prosecutors have to date shared "substantially more evidence" they intend to present in the Barthelemy, Costello and Waterman cases.

Wednesday’s filing is the second defense motion filed in the case, both of which will be discussed with Suffolk Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei at a conference set for Jan. 29.
i dont think thats a bad idea. I dont know how they can expect one jury to be able to process all that information,
 
Nobody thinks RH killed this lady.

The question is - why does her phone number repeatedly appear in RH’s notes?

That lead to wild clueless speculation.

It’s still an interesting question, but unless more of RH’s notes are revealed we will likely never know.
Rex had her lined up as a possible victim. However, he could never bank on her being around at the right time. He could only act while his family was out of town. That's why his "target" section is vague. He had enough experience with the sex industry to know that he needed to be very flexible in regards to victim selection.

As for why he had her number, he may have hired her before. Serial killers who target sex workers are often "regular johns" who will avail of these women's services before, during, and after their killings.

Over the years, Rex likely hired many girls who he didn't kill.
 
Rex had her lined up as a possible victim. However, he could never bank on her being around at the right time. He could only act while his family was out of town. That's why his "target" section is vague. He had enough experience with the sex industry to know that he needed to be very flexible in regards to victim selection.

As for why he had her number, he may have hired her before. Serial killers who target sex workers are often "regular johns" who will avail of these women's services before, during, and after their killings.

Over the years, Rex likely hired many girls who he didn't kill.
Yup, totally agree. Such an awful person, RH.
 
"Consequently, a trial encompassing all 10 counts would unjustifiably create a strong risk that the jury will be unable to segregate the evidence by its separate and distinct relevance to each individual incident."
 
"Consequently, a trial encompassing all 10 counts would unjustifiably create a strong risk that the jury will be unable to segregate the evidence by its separate and distinct relevance to each individual incident."
See, I think the problem is that, as a serial predator, the pattern of behaviour is key. They're not separate murders with no connection. We see serial killers prosecuted for multiple victims all the time because the pattern is important.

This isn't like bringing a person's drink driving into a case of credit card fraud. This is a person committing the same crime over and over, learning and perfecting his craft.

MOO
 
Taylor and Mack were mutilated and partially dismembered with body parts located both at Gilgo Beach and in Manorville. Costilla showed signs of mutilation but she was not dismembered and her body was found more than 40 miles east, in North Sea.

"There is no unique and consistent modus operandi common to all seven murders," Caponi alleged in the motion. "Quite the contrary."
 
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