Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[minazoe]

Rex grew up in the house and moved back into it around the time his mother died..I think..so it's always been the family home.

 

[Megnut]

Rex grew up in the house and moved back into it around the time his mother died..I think..so it's always been the family home.

Thank you. Trying to get a handle on the timeline. When did his mother die? Was he living at the house in 1997?

 

[Just K]

but not Shannan?

Oh, I definitely think he may have known of the Oak Beach parties, may have even been there or stalked Shannon and took advantage of the situation. I believe Shannon was murdered. I’m not sure how long she was kept before being dumped right in the area that LE supposedly searched in May of 2010.

 

[Just K]

What year did he start living in that house?

His mother moved to Virginia in 1994 and I believe that’s when he took ownership of it- his boyhood home. Not too long before that time he was living in the house he had shared with his first wife.

 

[Just K]

Rex grew up in the house and moved back into it around the time his mother died..I think..so it's always been the family home.

His mom didn’t die she moved to Palmyra, VA. As recently as the past few years she has lived in NY State with one of his siblings.

 

[Just K]

Thank you. Trying to get a handle on the timeline. When did his mother die? Was he living at the house in 1997?

Yes, he lived in that house with AE, their infant daughter and her older son.

 

[INfisherman]

Thank you. Trying to get a handle on the timeline. When did his mother die? Was he living at the house in 1997?

This may end up being behind a paywall but might prove somewhat helpful. Not exactly a timeline but speaks to his childhood, parents, social life (or lack thereof) as well as what others who were familiar with him.

In High School, Gilgo Beach Suspect Was an Angry Loner, Schoolmates Say (Published 2023)

People in Massapequa Park described him as awkward, solitary, and volatile. Though few knew him well, his presence pervaded a Berner High School reunion.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DS2021]

Thank you. Trying to get a handle on the timeline. When did his mother die? Was he living at the house in 1997?

Exclusive | Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann was ‘momma’s boy’: sources

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was bizarrely close to his “controlling” mother while he was an adolescent, according to sources.

nypost.com

The extremely close ties between the pair may have influenced Heuermann’s decision to buy his childhood home in Massapequa Park from his mom for $170,000 in 1994 — shortly after his first marriage, to Elizabeth Ryan in 1990, failed.

 

[DS2021]

Rex grew up in the house and moved back into it around the time his mother died..I think..so it's always been the family home.

His mother is still alive afaik

 

[iamshadow21]

What year did he start living in that house?

It was his childhood home.

MOO

 

[sds71]

Heuermann defense attorney Michael J. Brown, of Central Islip, said he had not seen the Bittrolff motion as of Friday evening. Asked last month if he believed Bittrolff could have been involved in any of the killings his client has been charged in, he told reporters he did think he could be a suspect.

Fresh questions emerge after DNA reanalyzed in twice-convicted killer John Bittrolff's Long Island case

The evidence now shows that another man's genetic material was found on a pair of men's jeans discovered at the Shirley crime scene and in a victim's body, court papers show.

www.newsday.com

 

[Betty P]

I’m curious about something I believe was covered in the "Gone Girls" documentary. IIRC there was a (former?) call girl who described being taken to a basically empty home with lawn chairs (?) & a TV & long story short, she didn’t feel comfortable how things were going & ran out while the customer, allegedly RH, was upstairs doing something. I want to say she mentioned she thought there may have been someone else there as well, possibly upstairs or heard noises indicating as such. Forgive me if I’m misremembering details as I’m going from memory…

Does anyone know where that place was located? Curious if it is known & if it is along known routes RH may have travelled during his extracurricular activities. This encounter seems to me that it would be quite a valuable piece of information on which to follow up, similar to the male roommate of the RH victim who described him as an ogre.

My apologies for any wrong info, as I’ve not followed this case closely & just pick up bits & pieces here & there as I see new developments.

I'm watching the Netflix "Gone Girls" documentary today. I'm nearly through Ep. 2 and haven't seen that yet, but will let you know.

"Gone Girls" is a very good documentary so far. They've done great research, rely a lot on local news media/reporters who first covered the case and are reporting the full story, including all the problems with Sussex Co PD and the overall investigation.

ETA: Now realizing I should take notes while watching this docu. It has a lot of information, some of which is new to me. If you haven't watched it yet, you really should.

Beginning of episode 3 is when the young woman discusses being lured to a townhome with a strange man, no furniture, two lawn chairs, etc.

 

[bricker]

My only issue with the documentary was the Philadelphia story. I can almost guarantee you with 99% certainty that he would never hunt that far from his comfort zone. He also isn't going to pick up a target at a bar with security cameras and witnesses. The story is also pretty movie-esque. He brings her back to a stash house and she heroically escapes. Give me a break.

 

[Betty P]

The woman from Philadelphia in the documentary who talked of the man who took her to a townhouse to do drugs was one of the women who shared their stories with John Ray. The article at the link below discusses her telling her story at the public forum John Ray held a little over a year ago.

Women who claim they met Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect speak out

John Ray, the attorney for Shannan Gilbert's family, held a symposium on the Gilgo case at St. John's University where he introduced witnesses who have given sworn affidavits.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't doubt the woman is being honest, she seemed genuinely afraid and really doesn't have anything to gain by going public. It's possible she later saw Rex's mug shot and confused him with the guy who took her to the empty house. I don't rule out any of these stories, though, if the women seem sincere and if John Ray has checked them out.

There have been too many unusual developments in the LISK murders and investigation of Heuermann to discount much. There have been a few things many thought he didn't do but later found out otherwise. The guy was quite prolific and operated for a very long time. His MO changed as he gained more experience and became even more bold and depraved.

Women who claim they met Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect speak out

John Ray, the attorney for Shannan Gilbert's family, held a symposium on the Gilgo case at St. John's University where he introduced witnesses who have given sworn affidavits.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[INfisherman]

The woman from Philadelphia in the documentary who talked of the man who took her to a townhouse to do drugs was one of the women who shared their stories with John Ray. The article at the link below discusses her telling her story at the public forum John Ray held a little over a year ago.

Women who claim they met Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect speak out

John Ray, the attorney for Shannan Gilbert's family, held a symposium on the Gilgo case at St. John's University where he introduced witnesses who have given sworn affidavits.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't doubt the woman is being honest, she seemed genuinely afraid and really doesn't have anything to gain by going public. It's possible she later saw Rex's mug shot and confused him with the guy who took her to the empty house. I don't rule out any of these stories, though, if the women seem sincere and if John Ray has checked them out.

There have been too many unusual developments in the LISK murders and investigation of Heuermann to discount much. There have been a few things many thought he didn't do but later found out otherwise. The guy was quite prolific and operated for a very long time. His MO changed as he gained more experience and became even more bold and depraved.

Women who claim they met Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect speak out

John Ray, the attorney for Shannan Gilbert's family, held a symposium on the Gilgo case at St. John's University where he introduced witnesses who have given sworn affidavits.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The documentary didn’t reveal the claim "Taylor" made about going to Cherry Hill, NJ from Philadelphia. Apparently the place from where she allegedly escaped was in NJ. So this didn’t occur in PA, it occurred in NJ, just across the Delaware River.

About 20 minutes into the third episode, the documentary is detailing how LE is putting together that the original Gilgo 4 all went missing while RH’s family was out of town on vacation. One of the women being interviewed states that they would go on vacation & on occasion RH would join them a week or so later. One of those vacation destinations was Atlantic City, which is a one hour drive from Cherry Hill & about the same from Philadelphia.

 

[Betty P]

The documentary didn’t reveal the claim "Taylor" made about going to Cherry Hill, NJ from Philadelphia. Apparently the place from where she allegedly escaped was in NJ. So this didn’t occur in PA, it occurred in NJ, just across the Delaware River.

About 20 minutes into the third episode, the documentary is detailing how LE is putting together that the original Gilgo 4 all went missing while RH’s family was out of town on vacation. One of the women being interviewed states that they would go on vacation & on occasion RH would join them a week or so later. One of those vacation destinations was Atlantic City, which is a one hour drive from Cherry Hill & about the same from Philadelphia.

Thank you. I was wondering about that. It doesn’t seem a stretch for him to have spent time in the Philly/NJ area. He also may have traveled to these areas for business or other trips. It’s really up to Suffolk County PD to investigate this. I recall really early after his arrest, it was reported that he once owned a condo in New Jersey. ICBW, but am looking for some reference.

Some of the MO described by the victim seems different, esp. that the perp kept discussing young teens, boys and girls. Some of it does fit him, e.g. luring the victim to a residence. I don't doubt her story, but it may not have been RH.

 

[minazoe]

My only issue with the documentary was the Philadelphia story. I can almost guarantee you with 99% certainty that he would never hunt that far from his comfort zone. He also isn't going to pick up a target at a bar with security cameras and witnesses. The story is also pretty movie-esque. He brings her back to a stash house and she heroically escapes. Give me a break.

I believe this girl...look at MW's friend who described Rex as an Ogre..it couldn't have been truer..Rex doesn't blend in, if you see him you are not going to forget him, he is of rare stature and posture. Also the idea that he might have access to places as an architect rings true that he would take her to an empty house. Also that she had to taze him to escape him as he stood like a mountain in the doorway. As far as being one of the people speaking to John Ray..if you were her..who would you speak to? who would you trust?

you know, they say if you see something, say something...but too often , saying something ends up being an embarrassment..being disbelieved or discounted..being judged...being forced to reveal your own personal issues..being looked down upon, gaslighted or ignored.

I believe this girl. Why would she lie? mOO

 

[bricker]

I believe this girl...look at MW's friend who described Rex as an Ogre..it couldn't have been truer..Rex doesn't blend in, if you see him you are not going to forget him, he is of rare stature and posture. Also the idea that he might have access to places as an architect rings true that he would take her to an empty house. Also that she had to taze him to escape him as he stood like a mountain in the doorway. As far as being one of the people speaking to John Ray..if you were her..who would you speak to? who would you trust?

you know, they say if you see something, say something...but too often , saying something ends up being an embarrassment..being disbelieved or discounted..being judged...being forced to reveal your own personal issues..being looked down upon, gaslighted or ignored.

I believe this girl. Why would she lie? mOO

There are a number of reasons why someone would lie about something like this or misremember. Witness accounts are one of the most unreliable forms of evidence. There's a saying in law enforcement: Ask 10 people, get 10 different stories. A group of people could witness an event up close, in broad daylight, and you'd still get different variations of what happened, ranging from small differences to huge ones.

As for the Philadelphia story, it just doesn't track with the behavior of serial killers like Rex Heuermann. These men operate around anchor points. In Rex's case, those anchor points are NYC and Long Island.

 

[minazoe]

There are a number of reasons why someone would lie about something like this or misremember. Witness accounts are one of the most unreliable forms of evidence. There's a saying in law enforcement: Ask 10 people, get 10 different stories. A group of people could witness an event up close, in broad daylight, and you'd still get different variations of what happened, ranging from small differences to huge ones.

As for the Philadelphia story, it just doesn't track with the behavior of serial killers like Rex Heuermann. These men operate around anchor points. In Rex's case, those anchor points are NYC and Long Island.

I wouldn't put too much stock into "anchor points" since we really don't know. mOO

 

[Just K]

The documentary didn’t reveal the claim "Taylor" made about going to Cherry Hill, NJ from Philadelphia. Apparently the place from where she allegedly escaped was in NJ. So this didn’t occur in PA, it occurred in NJ, just across the Delaware River.

About 20 minutes into the third episode, the documentary is detailing how LE is putting together that the original Gilgo 4 all went missing while RH’s family was out of town on vacation. One of the women being interviewed states that they would go on vacation & on occasion RH would join them a week or so later. One of those vacation destinations was Atlantic City, which is a one hour drive from Cherry Hill & about the same from Philadelphia.

RH and his family have a lot of ties to NJ. His first wife and her family live/lived in NJ. AE went to AC where her financial records have been tracked and show her going to a few different hotels/motels, and spending sprees at a few shops in different areas outside of AC. Then add in Shannan Gilbert lived in NJ a worked in both NJ and NY. Tanya had a PO Box in Wildwood, NJ. Maureen BB at one time worked in a casino in NJ.