Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[CuriousCricket]

It's the difference between a plea and IMO a plea bargain. No reason to offer or accept a plea bargain from him IMO.

It's possible IMO that he might just plead guilty. Because he is. And the evidence is there and he knows it.

He might be quite satisfied with the damage he's already done.

JMO

I wonder if a condition of pleading guilty might be that he will tell them all the others in exchange for him remaining exactly where he is. It might be lonely in a cell by himself and getting only a half or whole hour out a day, but I'll bet it's cushy compared to the prison life.

So, perhaps he could remain where his family can easily visit while he drags out his time in jail instead of prison?

Naturally, sometime he would have to go, but I'll bet he could drag things out for a long time.

 

[Betty P]

I wonder if a condition of pleading guilty might be that he will tell them all the others in exchange for him remaining exactly where he is. It might be lonely in a cell by himself and getting only a half or whole hour out a day, but I'll bet it's cushy compared to the prison life.

So, perhaps he could remain where his family can easily visit while he drags out his time in jail instead of prison?

Naturally, sometime he would have to go, but I'll bet he could drag things out for a long time.

I also wonder if it’s possible that he has embarrassing or incriminating information. He was active in the underground swinger and sex for hire world for decades. It might not help him much, but it might help his wife and their kids in some way. That’s the only leverage he might have based on our limited knowledge of his activities.

 

[Inthedetails]

It's the difference between a plea and IMO a plea bargain. No reason to offer or accept a plea bargain from him IMO.

It's possible IMO that he might just plead guilty. Because he is. And the evidence is there and he knows it.

He might be quite satisfied with the damage he's already done.

JMO

Exactly.

If he pleas, it will be just that, a guilty plea. There will be nothing in exchange except avoiding the trial, imo.

It's possible Mr. Bureaucrat who prides himself on working the system realizes the evidence is stacked against him and there is no loophole for him to use to get out of the charges. He might see seven guilty verdicts are inevitable and there is no benefit to him to go to trial.

Or, he might go full steam ahead fighting the charges only to lose.

jmopinion

 

[minazoe]

I say no way he pleads guilty. no way. I will be shocked. he will fade into oblivion..I think he wants to hear and see what he is accused of, wants to see the remains, the photos, all the evidence...he wants to hear the speculations on the methods of the murders. he wants to see the jury squirm. he wants it on the news. I don't think he cares what his family goes through. He can never say they have the wrong man if he pleads guilty..if he pleads no contest..well still..

no I think he wants his trial food, trial clothes, trial trips, trial attention.

He's the big King daddy of the SK's right now..Guilty pleas are for sissies like Kohberger.

mOO

 

[Warwick7]

I say no way he pleads guilty. no way. I will be shocked. he will fade into oblivion..I think he wants to hear and see what he is accused of, wants to see the remains, the photos, all the evidence...he wants to hear the speculations on the methods of the murders. he wants to see the jury squirm. he wants it on the news. I don't think he cares what his family goes through. He can never say they have the wrong man if he pleads guilty..if he pleads no contest..well still..

no I think he wants his trial food, trial clothes, trial trips, trial attention.

He's the big King daddy of the SK's right now..Guilty pleas are for sissies like Kohberger.

mOO

It's so sad...
I totally agree with you

 

[Izzylizzy]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

Oh no!
What in heaven will AE and Brown do then?
All along they both have claimed his innocence.
imo

 

[AuDHD]

RH claimed in that letter to chad daybell (article up thread, from notably from 2023) that his was the only letter he had responded to. (i believe this letter is the one where he asks Daybell about the food in prison vs jail).

I find it telling that he had only written back to CD. That’s of course if it’s true and not just flattery (“I bet you say that to all the killers” ) . Seems he considers other killers to be his peers. JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

RH claimed in that letter to chad daybell (article up thread, from notably from 2023) that his was the only letter he had responded to. (i believe this letter is the one where he asks Daybell about the food in prison vs jail).

I find it telling that he had only written back to CD. That’s of course if it’s true and not just flattery (“I bet you say that to all the killers” ) . Seems he considers other killers to be his peers. JMO

Chad Daybell?
What am I missing here?

 

[TOMBISHOP]

I'm imagining him... all this time in prison... studying every detail like a lawyer, trying to slip through the cracks in the law, like he used to do in his job before.
I don't think this guy will confess anything, or maybe that's just my biggest fear...
Because I bet he'd have so much to say that we'd all have so much more to write...

 

[twall]

RH claimed in that letter to chad daybell (article up thread, from notably from 2023) that his was the only letter he had responded to. (i believe this letter is the one where he asks Daybell about the food in prison vs jail).

I find it telling that he had only written back to CD. That’s of course if it’s true and not just flattery (“I bet you say that to all the killers” ) . Seems he considers other killers to be his peers. JMO

Do you mean Keith Jesperson (The Happy Face Killer)?

 

[dotr]

Re post

Feb 6, 2024 #Banfield #crime #HappyFaceKiller
Keith Jesperson, the serial killer known as the “Happy Face Killer,” is speaking from behind bars, telling NewsNation correspondent Laura Ingle about letters he has exchanged with Rex Heuermann, the man accused in the Gilgo Beach killings. In a recorded conversation, Jesperson told Ingle that Heuermann should confess if he did in fact commit the crimes. Ingle joins “Banfield” to discuss her phone call with Jesperson.
2023

'Happy Face Killer' shares letter Rex Heuermann sent him from jail

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann has written to 'Happy Face Killer' Keith Jesperson, complaining about the food in his Long Island jail and the exercise yard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''Heuermann told Jesperson he had been inundated with letters and requests.

'You were right about letter - I have gotten a number of them, asking for interviews, to be friends, pen pals, and one guy who sent me three letters asking me to write back to add to his collection of letters,' wrote Heuermann.
Heuermann told Jesperson that he was the only person he had replied to.
'So it sounds like OSP (Oregon State Prison) is not such a bad place to be,' he continued.
'Do you have butter for your bread? How is the day-to-day food - I will admit that food on SCCF (Suffolk County Correctional Facility) is not much to look forward to each day.
'Also yard is just walking in circles outside.'

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm imagining him... all this time in prison... studying every detail like a lawyer, trying to slip through the cracks in the law, like he used to do in his job before.

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That's exactly how I picture him too.

Good luck with that, Rex.

jmopinion

 

[AuDHD]

Do you mean Keith Jesperson (The Happy Face Killer)?

ahhhh yes ok whoops my bad

 

[Barbb]

well that should give him time to get a proper haircut bc ughhhh i hate looking at him jmo

I'm always wondering what Jack the Ripper looked like. There is an AI depiction of him online just recently in which he looks like a movie star. I find it unlikely, (but then we did have Ted Bundy). But here we have a kind of modern day JTR, Heuermann, and, well, he ain't looking like a movie star. Ogre is the perfect description.

 

[AuDHD]

RH claimed in that letter to chad daybell JESPERSON (article up thread, from notably from 2023) that his was the only letter he had responded to. (i believe this letter is the one where he asks Daybell JESPERSON about the food in prison vs jail).

I find it telling that he had only written back to CD KJ. That’s of course if it’s true and not just flattery (“I bet you say that to all the killers” ) . Seems he considers other killers to be his peers. JMO

Red= Edited by me to reflect correction. Thx for that! my mushy brain mixed 2 stories together..

Regardless which killer it was he wrote to, my point stands. It’s telling whose letter caught his attention and enticed him to write back. He even seems to express thinly veiled irritation at those other letters, but replied to KJ. Why? Bc KJ is a peer (who has info/advice he wants, RH is, as always, self-serving).

 

[Ruminations]

Oh please, please, please, I hope he pleads guilty.

Why would he do it, though? His personality seems more in line with making people suffer, and a trial will do that. He's not getting any deal, I mean his crimes are so heinous, what could the state legitimately offer him? Aside from maybe butter and candy bars. He's so vicious, I can't picture butter and candy bars going that far with him, he's a true sadist and a trial will cause pain, giving him a rush no amount of butter and candy ever could.

I wonder if there's something we don't know as of yet that he desperately wants concealed, and a trial might further poke into it. Can you imagine how bad that "something" would have to be, considering the state already has HK in hand?

Totally agreed. There's something to this if he does it, there's something in this for him that we're not yet aware of, and that's a pretty scary thought.

But it won't matter because the state has all the information they'd offer at trial already, they can continue to build on that and develop it in other directions if they're inclined. In the meantime, they can literally build him a lagoon of butter in his cell and let him frolic in it naked for all I care. (His hair looks like he's already doing that, but jmo.)

It'll be a happy holiday season for everyone with the vicious troll rolling in butter in a cage somewhere, forced to accept reality, jmo. And hopefully vomiting up some good information that can be corroborated.

I agree that it is a scary thought; if he is considering a plea deal, there has to be something in it for him.

Hopefully, NYS is evolved enough that prison justice is not an issue.

IMO, if there is truth to the rumor, the very same people or institutions who interfered with identifying Rex have something to gain from not getting excessive facts out about this case. Rex's best defense is to point to crimes and corruption all around him. Sandra brings in Bittrolff, which in turn brings in missing evidence and that LE already had drawn a circle around JBitt for Sandra. I would argue that the people who would be most harmed by bringing this the the front pages would be most inclined to pressure Rex to plead out- with as little information to the public as possible.

JMO - and it's very possible that there is nothing to the rumor about a plea deal in the first place. But if there is a deal in the works, my spidey sense says Rex is being enticed or compelled by people other than himself to keep things as uninformative as possible.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I think he might also be concerned with sparing his family the gory details of a trial, though some of that will be revealed anyway.

ETA : Since NY doesn’t have the death penalty, what does RH expect to gain from a plea bargain? Better prison accommodations?

IMO- He would be protecting others for carrots or to avoid retribution. He really doesn't have that much to bargain for, although NY has some nicer prisons.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

There's some angle to this, agreed. He's not turning boy scout out of nowhere. When I looked it up, it's saying NY doesn't offer the "no contest" for criminal cases. I've got no idea if that's true, not a lawyer.

What's his angle if he does it? Because it has to be suiting him in some way, a big way. What's he got up his sleeve? Is he shielding assets, is he shielding accomplice/s? Is it the opposite, is he giving someone up? Is he trying to start maneuvering his way out of a potential death penalty scenario in SCarolina or Nevada?

IMO, he's more likely to be failing to give someone up or failing to highlight incompetence, crime and corruption in the change for some rewards or absence of retribution, if it is true at all that he is considering some negotiations.

I would be delighted if there were an attempt to uncover other crime or corruption, but there is just no evidence that Suffolk County has an appetite for that.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

I agree that it is a scary thought; if he is considering a plea deal, there has to be something in it for him.

Hopefully, NYS is evolved enough that prison justice is not an issue.

IMO, if there is truth to the rumor, the very same people or institutions who interfered with identifying Rex have something to gain from not getting excessive facts out about this case. Rex's best defense is to point to crimes and corruption all around him. Sandra brings in Bittrolff, which in turn brings in missing evidence and that LE already had drawn a circle around JBitt for Sandra. I would argue that the people who would be most harmed by bringing this the the front pages would be most inclined to pressure Rex to plead out- with as little information to the public as possible.

JMO - and it's very possible that there is nothing to the rumor about a plea deal in the first place. But if there is a deal in the works, my spidey sense says Rex is being enticed or compelled by people other than himself to keep things as uninformative as possible.

MOO

Very possible. RH and his attorney could bring up the issue of Suffolk PD sitting so long on first person witness testimony about RHs physical appearance and description of his car. Some defense attorneys can slyly bring up things to the news media that make investigators and prosecutors look incompetent or dishonest. They love to do that, before or during trial.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

IMO- He would be protecting others for carrots or to avoid retribution. He really doesn't have that much to bargain for, although NY has some nicer prisons.

MOO

One concern that I have, perhaps someone including RH is trying to jockey and determine how to best proceed - in light of that IIUC supposed arrangement with Dateline for an inside story or ‘scoop’ on this case / these cases. And IIUC there are monies involved with that ‘arrangement’. SMH.

Perhaps, instead, someone will consider the alleged victims and their families in these cases. MOO