IN IN - Lois & Karen Williams, Last seen Jan 25, 1967, Indianapolis

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Thanks for posting this, I hadn’t heard about this case (just saw it on doe network updates page.)

Did you post this because it didn’t have any posts in WebSleuths or because, even though it existed, there’s been an update in the case? (NamUs Case Created says Nov. 8, 2020, that’s why I ask.) This thread is the only one I found on web sleuths when searching “Lois Williams” or “Lois Williams Indianapolis” - but it’s hard to believe it wasn’t already on this site.

If yours is truly the first mentioned on this site, thanks for posting! Otherwise, thanks for posting anyway, but why is this case hidden from searching?
 
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I’m reading the wikipedia article for Melvin Carr (suspected killer of the two Williams women in 1967) in the Suspected crimes section. Earlier in the article, it says that ten years after in 1977, Carr was found dead after killing three people that were found in the trunk of his car. He killed them with carbon monoxide poisoning from the vehicle, and Carr was also found dead at the scene (outside the car in his garage), suspected of dying inadvertently from the carbon monoxide as he was killing them. This is “The discovery” in the quote below:

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The discovery prompted police to investigate other murders in the area for which Carr may have been responsible. One suspicious case was the disappearance of Lois Williams, 35, and her daughter Karen, 17. On the night of January 25–26, 1967, Lois and Karen disappeared from their apartment in Indianapolis.[14][15] Lois's vehicle was found abandoned at a service station owned by Carr with mud on the tires; no blood was found at the scene, and nothing was reported missing from their apartment.[16]

After their disappearance, police suspected Carr's involvement and brought him in for questioning; however, he was released due to insufficient evidence.[14] According to a letter Lois wrote to her father, Carr had raped her and attempted to buy her silence for $10,000.[17] In 1977, police excavated Carr's backyard and garage in an unsuccessful attempt to locate the remains of the two women.[9][13]

According to Carr's then-neighbors, Mr. and Mrs. Campbell, on the evening of January 25, 1967, they witnessed him leaving the service station with Lois. He returned two hours later, telling them that Lois had gone to a bar and wouldn't come out. The following morning, Carr's father ran to the neighbors and said that someone had robbed and beaten Melvin. He was in a daze, soaking wet, and covered with sand. After guiding Carr to his bedroom, the neighbors wanted to call the police, but Carr protested. Upon visiting the service station—the supposed site of the robbery—the door was found to be still locked from overnight, and nothing was moved besides Carr's vehicle, which had been washed thoroughly.[5]
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So if Melvin Carr got away with the Williams mother/daughter crime, even though the mother wrote a letter claiming she was raped by Carr and offered hush money and other incriminating circumstances, it would be a stretch to suspect anyone else.

To suspect someone else, you’d almost have to think the letter writer forged Lois Williams letter or forced Williams to write it) - or that Ms. Williams and daughter were unlucky to be the victim of two different killers in the area - and one knew about the other one. I’m wondering if LE suspected Ms. Williams skipped town with her daughter (but never again got in touch with her father who the Carr-incriminating letter was sent to.) Too hard to believe.

Strange and puzzling case. Again, thanks!
 
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Welcome, johnnyhands, and thanks for posting the info you did. I had posted an article I pulled 4 or so years ago in this thread (last week I think) but it was deleted due to paywall violation (I believe). When I learned about this case through research, I reached out to the Namus contact at the time, who was not familiar with the case. Sent all the info I had; which I presume has been vetted. Perhaps someone else also reached out to them, I don't know. Anyway, I'm glad their case is here and you have interest. (I didn't notice the case on Namus until I posted the thread; it could have been sitting there for a while before it became public. The date of my previous article pull and outreach to Namus contact was 1/6/20.)
 
Compelling case against Melvin Carr. Were there others as well?
 

Details of Disappearance​

Lois disappeared with her teenage daughter, Karen Williams. They were last seen in Indianapolis, Indiana on January 25, 1967. Lois's parents, who were retired and lived out of state, reported them missing on February 9 after not being able to get in touch with them for two weeks.

All their belongings were left behind at their apartment in the 7100 block of East 21st Street. A lamp was left turned on and one of Karen's school books lay open on the table. Both women's coats were left behind in the closet, although they had disappeared on a very cold night.

Authorities believe the Williamses may have been victims of the serial killer Melvin Chelcie "Ted" Carr, who died in 1977 at the age of 62. A photo of Carr is posted with this case summary.

He was found dead in his garage by his wife on April 20, 1977. In the trunk of his car were the bodies of three people: a 17-year-old girl, a 24-year-old woman Carr had been having an affair with, and that woman's toddler son. Authorities subsequently determined Carr had kidnapped them, raped the two women and gassed them to death with a hose connected from his exhaust pipe to the trunk, and that in the process he also accidentally asphyxiated himself.

Carr had known Lois prior to her and Karen's disappearances; she often took her car to the service station he owned at 21st Street and Shadeland Avenue. Her 1957 Pontiac was found there, with mud on the tires, after her disappearance.

Calvin Campbell, a neighbor of Carr's who also worked part time at the station, stated he saw Carr and Lois together on the evening Lois and her daughter disappeared. He said they left together in Carr's 1965 Buick, then Carr returned about two hours later at 8:00 p.m., alone and angry. He told his Campbell that Lois had gone into a bar and wouldn't come out, and directed him to close the station at 10:00 p.m.

At 3:19 a.m. the next morning, Carr reported that the service station had been robbed and he had been beaten. When Campbell saw him he was soaking wet and with sand in his clothing, shoes and socks, although it hadn't been raining.

Campbell went to check the station and found no evidence of robbery: the door was locked and the previous day's receipts were where he had left them the night before. The only difference appeared to be that Carr's Buick, which Carr had parked outside the station the night before, was now backed into the garage onto the lift. It had been thoroughly cleaned both inside and out, including the trunk.

Even before his death, Carr had been considered a suspect in Lois and Karens's disappearances. He had a history of sex crimes against women and teenage girls, and had been in prison multiple times. In a letter Lois had written to her parents shortly before she went missing, she told them Carr had raped her and had offered to pay her $10,000 if she didn't tell anyone. She wrote that Carr told her he wanted to marry her, and had offered to pay her $100,000.

Lois and Karen have never been located, but foul play is suspected in their cases.
 

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