keeping it straight

[cami]

The forensic evidence lies in the hands of Libby Johnson (you may want to do a search on her) and should be presented whenever a hearing date is set. The print in blood on the utility room door from what I understand has never been tested either. As for knowing there was no intruder within 30 minutes.....if she is guilty or not, I don't believe a conclusion should be done at that time......examine the evidence and let it lead you, not find a destination and find the quickest route there. JMHO.
Is Darlie guilty??? I don't know :twocents:

No one decided anyone's guilt within 30 minutes. The investigators, through years of honing their skills, knew that the evidence, the crime scene was not consistant with the story Darlie told. They have to work from the inside out..eliminate the family first. That's right the evidence leads them to the suspect and in this case it all led back inside that house.

That print on the utility room door has been tested. Oh do you mean the dna tests now she's requesting? It's on the list. It's just another red herring IMHO, it's her print.

Know all about Dr. Elizabeth (Libby) Johnson. She recommended the new dna tests..more sophisticated tests., i.e. Y chromozone testing, etc.

Well that's what we are all just waiting for..the new court date. That's what this motion is about. Will the State grant the dna tests? I hope they do.

 

[cami]

Gozgals, SadieMae, Cami, Enigma...ect..

Again, thanks for your thoughts. The defensive wounds, or lack of, are a big factor in my opinion of her guilt. It amazes me that there are so many sites that can take all of the evidence and justify it all on Darlie's behalf. It is difficult to write this paper because we are only asked to discuss the issues, processing, admissibility, documentation..ect...with the "physical evidence" it is difficult to leave out all of the other information that I feel is defeating to her innocence. For the "physical evidence" I have included:



1. blood- where it was, where it was not, who's it was, who's it was not, ect....how it was analyzed and the use of luminol.



2. The butcher knife..the fact that Darlie made clear so early on that she had touched the knife, the processing revealing not all of the victim' blood was on the knife



3. The bread knife- the fiber analysis that was said to match the screen



4. the screen at what was believed to be the point of entry and exit. The processing (early) that determined that the screen had been cut from the inside..the undisturbed window and mulch underneath..again, lack of blood trailing from the house.



5. The bloody sock found 75 yards from the house, the analysis done, the lack of testing on the "fiber/hair)



6. The issues with the photos- I can not find verifiable information on this but have read on different sites that there was a discrepancy on what the defense and prosecution had as far as photos and that the jury were not shown the photos of Darlie's injuries.



7. The discrepancies between Darlie's wounds and those of the boys..



8. The purse and jewelry lying on the counter



9. Blood underneath turned over objects..



10. The handling of Darlie's bloody nightshirt and the claim that it was collected wet and contaminated by other items



I know there is so much more but this is what I am writing about so far...My paper is due Sat. and I tell you, the most difficult aspect is not including information that my instructor is not asking for in "this" paper. The final paper is next semester where we will be asked to use our information that we presented/ wrote in the last 4 to draw a conclusion, ultimately solving the case based on what we have gathered. If I include info that is not asked for in my paper there is a substantial penalty. For example I am not going to include her journal, or the silly string....can anyone think of any major physical evidence that I am missing?

Jody: I think the physical evidence screams out her guilt. It's what I base my opinion on. I don't care if she sprayed silly string all over Texas, the blood tells me she's guilty.

No. 6....The medical staff testified as to her injuries..what operation was performed and the degree of the seriousness of her injuries. Her medical records were entered into evidence as State's Exhibit 53-C.

Link to the Doctor's testimony

It's the photos of the bruises that are at question. Here's the proof

4 Q. All right. Let me show you what's
5 been marked as State's Exhibit 52-A and ask you, is that
6 a photograph of Mrs. Routier?
7 A. Yes, it is.
8 Q. Okay. Do you see the large bruise
9 there all along her right arm?
10 A. Yes, I do.
11 Q. Okay. Now, as your experience as a
12 nurse there at Baylor, have you seen bruises and injuries
13 like that often?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Okay. Do y'all call that a blunt
16 trauma, causing this type of bruises?
17 A. Just by looking at the photograph I
18 would -- my experience would lead me to believe that that
19 was caused by some sort of blunt trauma.
20 Q. Okay. Now, while she's in your care,
21 do you make a careful assessment of her physical
22 conditions, injuries, things like that?
23 A. Yes. Yes.
24 Q. Okay. At any time, did you see any
25 injury to her right arm, that would have caused this type
Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
935

1 of bruising?
2 A. I did not. When I was taking care of
3 her, the only thing on her right arm was the actual
4 injury that she had to the upper right arm, which had a
5 dressing on it. And, I did not see any other bruising or
6 swelling that would be consistent with something like
7 that to any other areas of the arm

Link to Trial Testimony discussing the photos of bruises

I copied only Jody Fitts's testimony but if you read through the medical staff's testimony, you will find more and you will verify for yourself that the photos of the bruises were placed before the jury..both prosecution and defence agree.

I am very interested in reading your paper/report. Good luck...I am sure you will get an A+

 

[cami]

Hi Jodyy,
It may be insignificant but I often wondered if darlie herself caused her own wounds, would she have been able to cut herself so hard or deep to get her necklace in her skin. I watched a show where they were talking about how deep it went into her neck saying there is no way she could have done that herself. I dont know, it may be possible with adrenaline running after butchering two babies. I also wonder about that sock. How did it get there? Too many questions, it will keep me up all night, lol....

Not according to the doctors who treated her at Baylor. Read their testimony and verify for yourself how deep the cut was Michelle. I think I remember only 3/4 inch but I am not too sure..would need to read it again.


Q. All right. Was she in there any great
2 length of time?
3 A. She was in -- I had her in there
4 exactly 13 minutes.
5 Q. Okay. And then they take her off to
6 surgery?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Okay. Did you remove a necklace from
9 her neck?
10 A. Right. When the technicians pulled
11 the dressing off the wound on her neck, a chain was freed
12 around her neck. I took that off, set it aside, and
13 later, I believe, one of the other nurses handed that
14 over to the Rowlett Police Department.
15 Q. Okay. Was that under the gauze?
16 A. It was underneath the dressing the
17 paramedics had applied.
18
19 (Whereupon, the following
20 mentioned item was
21 marked for
22 identification only
23 after which time the
24 proceedings were
25 resumed on the record
Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
902

1 in open court, as
2 follows
3
4
5 BY MR. TOBY L. SHOOK:
6 Q. Okay. Let me show you what's been
7 marked as State's Exhibit 26. Does this appear to be the
8 necklace?
9 A. This looks similar to the necklace. I
10 couldn't tell you if it was exactly the same one or not.
11 Q. Okay. And it was unattached?
12 A. It was unattached.
13 Q. Okay.
14 A. I didn't have to undo it.
15 Q. Okay.
16
17 MR. TOBY L. SHOOK: Judge, I would
18 like to enter this for record purposes, at this time.
19 THE COURT: State's Exhibit what?
20 MR. TOBY L. SHOOK: 26.
21 THE COURT: For record only?
22 MR. TOBY L. SHOOK: Yes, sir.
23 THE COURT: Any objection?
24 MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Not for record
25 purposes.
Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
903

1 THE COURT: All right. State's
2 Exhibit No. 26 is admitted for record purposes only.
3
4 (Whereupon, the item
5 heretofore mentioned
6 was received in evidence
7 as State's Exhibit No. 26
8 for record purposes only,
9 after which time, the
10 proceedings were resumed
11 as follows
12
13
14 BY MR. TOBY L. SHOOK:
15 Q. Do you see Ms. Routier here in the
16 courtroom today?
17 A. Yes, sir. Her hair is a little bit
18 different, but that's her.
19 Q. And the scar we see here, is that the
20 area that y'all were applying pressure to?
21 A. Yes, sir, that's exactly where I had
22 seen it.

Link to testimony

Doesn't appear they had to do too much to remove the necklace..it fell off when the dressing was removed. My own personal belief is she pushed that necklace in the wound while she was holding the towel to her neck.

 

[cami]

I posted quite awhile back on this forum comparing the wounds to the boys and those of Darlie. It looked to me like they all had some preplanned type stabs, but I can't remember now exactly how many each had on their body. I felt that the boys each had a set number of shallower stabs and two really deep ones. Devon had an extra set of these wounds. Darlie seemed to have the same pattern but of course not as deep.

Hey Miss Vickie...where you been? How are you?

Anyway, Damon had 6 stab wounds to his back. Devon had two to his chest, deep plunging wounds into organs and veins.

Darlie had one incised wound on her forearm and the neck and shoulder slash.

Oh and she had bruises under her right arm from wrist to armpit. Or was it the left, can't remember.

 

[julianne]

Doesn't appear they had to do too much to remove the necklace..it fell off when the dressing was removed. My own personal belief is she pushed that necklace in the wound while she was holding the towel to her neck.

I don't read where the necklace fell off---the chain was freed, and then the doctor states "I took that off, set it aside"---so if the necklace FELL OFF itself when the dressing was removed, the doctor wouldn't have said "I took that off".

 

[cami]

I don't read where the necklace fell off---the chain was freed, and then the doctor states "I took that off, set it aside"---so if the necklace FELL OFF itself when the dressing was removed, the doctor wouldn't have said "I took that off".

Poor chose of words, my intention was to convey that the necklace fell out of the wound when the dressing was removed, therefore, it wasn't that deeply embedded.

 

[michelle]

I know this is really quite morbid but I do remember seeing the crime scene photo's, are there any still around?

 

[Kitty5001]

Look at www.justicefordarlie.net there are tons of crime scene photos found there.

 

[michelle]

Look at www.justicefordarlie.net there are tons of crime scene photos found there.

Thanks kitty.

 

[txsvicki]

Hey Miss Vickie...where you been? How are you?

Anyway, Damon had 6 stab wounds to his back. Devon had two to his chest, deep plunging wounds into organs and veins.

Darlie had one incised wound on her forearm and the neck and shoulder slash.

Oh and she had bruises under her right arm from wrist to armpit. Or was it the left, can't remember.

Hi- Doing fine and been over on the other threads mostly. I keep looking for news about Darlie and the execution. She's been on death row so long now. I wish the student good luck with the paper. Hope she posts it later on.

 

[michelle]

Hi- Doing fine and been over on the other threads mostly. I keep looking for news about Darlie and the execution. She's been on death row so long now. I wish the student good luck with the paper. Hope she posts it later on.

Is there any Idea of when she will be executed? Dont they have alot more stuff to go through, like the D.N.A that has to do with that "FingerPrint"?

 

[cami]

Is there any Idea of when she will be executed? Dont they have alot more stuff to go through, like the D.N.A that has to do with that "FingerPrint"?

Yes her execution is on hold...until the state rules on the pending dna tests. That's what we are all waiting for, the hearing to be re-scheduled.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Is there any Idea of when she will be executed? Dont they have alot more stuff to go through, like the D.N.A that has to do with that "FingerPrint"?

We're not even close thank God. She needs to be afforded every single right that she's got under the law to prove her allegations.

 

[michelle]

We're not even close thank God. She needs to be afforded every single right that she's got under the law to prove her allegations.

Has she been excluded regarding that fingerprint?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Has she been excluded regarding that fingerprint?

You're asking the wrong person. I've had to purge my brain of almost everything "Darlie" or loose my mind.

 

[michelle]

You're asking the wrong person. I've had to purge my brain of almost everything "Darlie" or loose my mind.

LOL.....You know there was a time I thought I knew everything on this case. As we get older we sure do forget.:waitasec:

 

[cami]

Has she been excluded regarding that fingerprint?

By her defence counsel only.

It's her fingerprint...she was the one bleeding. If that fingerprint belongs to the alleged intruder...where's the rest of the blood? Not a spec of blood in the garage, the window sill, the window screen, the concrete path outside, the fence, the gate, etc. How could he have that much blood on his hands to leave it on the door and dripped in the utility room but once he went through that door to the garage and out, the blood disappears.

Where's his latent fingerprints? He had to touch things in the Routier home, like the window sill, the screen, the knife block, etc.

Anyway, that's one of the blood items they want dna tested...they are looking for the Y chromozone.

MOO