MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

[Linda7NJ]

… DBM

 

[Spectrix]

Well that's interesting.
Judge Beverly Cannone has been sued for reinstating a buffer zone, limiting Karen Read supporters from demonstrating outside the Dedham courthouse, during the contentious murder trial.

Four Massachusetts residents are behind a complaint filed in federal court arguing that their protests of Cannone’s handling of the Read case have been “peaceful, lawful, and entirely protected by the First Amendment.”

Karen Read judge Beverly Cannone sued for court buffer zone, stifling ‘passionate public debate’

Norfolk Superior Court Judge Beverly Cannone has been sued for reinstating a buffer zone, limiting Karen Read supporters from demonstrating outside the Dedham courthouse.

www.bostonherald.com

 

[Linda7NJ]

I understood them the same way, and I agree that the jury did not seem to give their testimony he weight I thought it deserved.
What has never made any sense to me, is that JOK is said to have been struck by a vehicle so hard that he was thrown several feet, clear out of his shoes - but there's no bruising on his body. Common sense tells me that a vehicle accident did not happen that way. I don't know if there are a lot of cases where a pedestrian is thrown out of his shoes by a vehicle, without bruising - but I could not find even one. Bodies bruise.
I don't believe there was a big conspiracy among many, but I do think no one looked into what happened to this man, and what they did come up with is not logical - no matter how loudly it's yelled.
I don't know what happened, and why this wasn't investigated (or why it's being shouted so loudly ) but logic tells me it didn't happen as stated. If I'm a juror, that would be all I would need - but that's just my opinion.

I think there’s a good possibility alcohol played a roll in his having fewer injuries because their bodies are more relaxed. When you're drunk, your muscles don't tense up as much during a crash, so you're less likely to resist the forces acting on you and absorb more of the impact. Sober people, on the other hand, instinctively brace themselves, which can lead to more strain on bones and tissues.

All IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I think there’s a good possibility alcohol played a rollin his having fewer injuries because their bodies are more relaxed. When you're drunk, your muscles don't tense up as much during a crash, so you're less likely to resist the forces acting on you and absorb more of the impact. Sober people, on the other hand, instinctively brace themselves, which can lead to more strain on bones and tissues.

All IMO

That might be the case for a simple fall, where I've seen this talked about, but an impact by a vehicle is a very different degree of force. Have you a source where it's talked about relative to pedestrian strike? I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a similar 'benefit' in a case where a victim is struck.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

That might be the case for a simple fall, where I've seen this talked about, but an impact by a vehicle is a very different degree of force. Have you a source where it's talked about relative to pedestrian strike? I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a similar 'benefit' in a case where a victim is struck.

MOO

No, it my opinion.

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[iamshadow21]

No, it my opinion.

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Okay, thank you.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That might be the case for a simple fall, where I've seen this talked about, but an impact by a vehicle is a very different degree of force. Have you a source where it's talked about relative to pedestrian strike? I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a similar 'benefit' in a case where a victim is struck.

MOO

I believe the physics of the concept is relatively pretty easy to comprehend and visualize.

Imagine striking a stick verses a cooked spaghetti noodle

ALL IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe the physics of the concept is relatively pretty easy to comprehend and visualize.

Imagine striking a stick verses a cooked noodle

ALL IMO

That doesn't quite translate, as a human body always has rigid structure within, and delicate parts that do not sustain force without damage, however relaxed the subject.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

That doesn't quite translate, as a human body always has rigid structure within, and delicate parts that do not sustain force without damage, however relaxed the subject.

MOO

The principle, in my mind, is the drunk relaxed human body can absorb more force than a braced for impact, rigid body.
That’s physics.

IMO

 

[Spectrix]

I believe the physics of the concept is relatively pretty easy to comprehend and visualize.

You're suggesting that a man hit by a 4000 pound brick at 24MPH inexplicitly managed to escape the expected injuries such as broken pelvis, broken ribs, organ damage and bruising the size of a Lexus... because he was drunk.

Whatever "physics" you think you understand are from a different realm.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I believe the physics of the concept is relatively pretty easy to comprehend and visualize.

Imagine striking a stick verses a cooked spaghetti noodle

ALL IMO

DBM

 

[rescuemom]

Did they test variables simple scenarios. such as was John Walking, running or standing ? the same direction as the vehicle? Was it slippery? impacted on his side? Front? Back?

All of those things affect force & velocity and how far a person would travel. airbone or slide?
If it was icy & slick he would slide further.

A large SUV sideswiping a human at 24 mph would likely move them 1-5 meters (3-16 feet), with airborne displacement on the higher end and sliding on the lower end. Body position matters— upright pedestrians might travel farther due to lift, while sideways or crouched ones might slide or roll less.

All IMO

Once again, scenario 1 + 2. Independent of one another. Answer No.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I suppose we are talking about the CW's version of "physics" rather than what is taught in schools and universities? Trooper Paul Physics, if you will.

 

[angkg]

Everything to do with the taillight could be answered if they had the video from the library that they claimed to have. Show me the taillight was completely broken out vs just cracked when it was at her parent’s house. When it was taken in to custody.

IIRC one of the officers had to admit that he wrote down the time that the vehicle arrived at the sally port incorrect. That difference in time is also critical to the staging of the broken taillight

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Everything to do with the taillight could be answered if they had the video from the library that they claimed to have. Show me the taillight was completely broken out vs just cracked when it was at her parent’s house. When it was taken in to custody.

IIRC one of the officers had to admit that he wrote down the time that the vehicle arrived at the sally port incorrect. That difference in time is also critical to the staging of the broken taillight

Kind of weird how the most crucial video disappeared, isn't it? But it's apparently silly to suggest any kind of conspiracy. JMO

 

[rescuemom]

I ran acrossed a post/video yesterday that brought up the fact that JOK's phone was "locked" meaning the right side button was pushed at IIRC 12:31 and KR's phone connected to cell tower at IIRC 12: 36 just blocks from JOK house. She was not at the scene.

 

[Lorenathered]

Kind of weird how the most crucial video disappeared, isn't it? But it's apparently silly to suggest any kind of conspiracy. JMO

It is even more silly to suggest that the same police department that was covering up a murder by one of their officers would do so again. Only Monty Python could think up such thing.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I ran acrossed a post/video yesterday that brought up the fact that JOK's phone was "locked" meaning the right side button was pushed at IIRC 12:31 and KR's phone connected to cell tower at IIRC 12: 36 just blocks from JOK house. She was not at the scene.

Yes, a lot of interesting data from his phone has been released that I believe could be exculpatory. Wonder if the Honorable Cannone will allow it in court.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I suppose we are talking about the CW's version of "physics" rather than what is taught in schools and universities? Trooper Paul Physics, if you will.

Dr. Judson Welcher will be testifying for the CW

Trooper Paul is not a doctor, doesn’t have a degree in bio-mechanics engineering or bio- medical engineering & 28 years of experience, Welcher does.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, a lot of interesting data from his phone has been released that I believe could be exculpatory. Wonder if the Honorable Cannone will allow it in court.

Do you have a link or source for this newly discovered phone data?